05-10-2013, 04:13 PM
It was J.O.'s trying to always have the 'last say as casting doubt...at any cost...even without any argument...just gobs of doubt...and his appearance and having been removed on many sites that discuss 9-11. Add to that I had contacted A&E4911-Truth and asked them about his physical presence there - trying to get close to Gage [the head and founder]. He was also asked to leave from there.
Lastly, he originally [here and elsewhere] presented himself as questioning the official version...but that slowly morphed to defending it...!!!! Here is a statement he made only a few months short of two years ago elsewhere...
Jeffrey Orling (New York architect)
The first hint that something was wrong was how soon they identified the hijackers and how they managed to take over these planes. WOW, and they weren't able to prevent these slackers from getting on the planes or intercept them? We have spent several trillion dollars on defence and spying and surveillance, and four commercial flights were just floating around the skies all morning… something was really fishy.
And as the story emerged told to us by media the mouthpiece of government it seemed more and more implausible: found passport… no black boxes… where was the plane wreckage at the pentagon… why were the vids not released immediately? Everything seemed to be a manufactured story from the get go… the phone calls from the planes.
I was surprised that the three towers fell as they did… but I didn't suspect controlled demos. I knew the towers were a very weird erector set design… but I didn't understand how they collapsed until I drilled into the details of the structure. Still not sure that they were intended to look like collapses but had some devices planted or delivered by the planes.
By the time the official story came out in the 9/11 Commission Report it was clear that it was a cover up… The more I study the event the less obvious it is what exactly happened… whose idea it was, who engineered the entire thing and how they managed to pull it off.
Lastly, he originally [here and elsewhere] presented himself as questioning the official version...but that slowly morphed to defending it...!!!! Here is a statement he made only a few months short of two years ago elsewhere...
Jeffrey Orling (New York architect)
The first hint that something was wrong was how soon they identified the hijackers and how they managed to take over these planes. WOW, and they weren't able to prevent these slackers from getting on the planes or intercept them? We have spent several trillion dollars on defence and spying and surveillance, and four commercial flights were just floating around the skies all morning… something was really fishy.
And as the story emerged told to us by media the mouthpiece of government it seemed more and more implausible: found passport… no black boxes… where was the plane wreckage at the pentagon… why were the vids not released immediately? Everything seemed to be a manufactured story from the get go… the phone calls from the planes.
I was surprised that the three towers fell as they did… but I didn't suspect controlled demos. I knew the towers were a very weird erector set design… but I didn't understand how they collapsed until I drilled into the details of the structure. Still not sure that they were intended to look like collapses but had some devices planted or delivered by the planes.
By the time the official story came out in the 9/11 Commission Report it was clear that it was a cover up… The more I study the event the less obvious it is what exactly happened… whose idea it was, who engineered the entire thing and how they managed to pull it off.
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"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass