Oswald questions

[Gordon Gray]

If Harvey was really the one picked up by the station wagon at around 12:40, why does it take 20 minutes to reach his rooming house and drop him off at 1pm? Was he then picked up again and driven to the Texas Theater to meet a contact (as John Martino claimed)? But if they already had him in a station wagon, why didn't they just drive him to Red Bird airport or wherever instead of all these drop-offs?

Maybe I'm just stuck on Martino's claims (that they had planned to get Oswald out of Texas). It makes perfect sense - rather than having a live or dead patsy in the hands of the DPD, the "assassin" just disappears. Then the CIA assets put out the word he was seen flying to Mexico, then to Cuba, and Castro is then accused of harboring him. Oswald is actually dead by this time, his body dumped in a Louisiana swamp, but the American people are being whipped up to invade Cuba to find him.

I agree with this as well. It makes little sense to me that they would try to arrange to frame him for the murder of a policeman in the hopes that he would be killed in the process of the police arresting him as a cop killer. Too much left to chance. And indeed why if they could drive him to the theatre, would they not just drive him to Red Bird or wherever, and dispose of him. So the question is how did HARVEY get to the theatre by the time he is first seen there around 1:10? Would it have been possible for him to have gotten there by bus?

I think it was American-born LEE who was picked up by the station wagon, not Russian-speaking Harvey. Harvey took McWatters' bus, and there was traffic, explaining the time to get to the boarding house. The police would be unlikely to assassinate someone, even a cop killer, in a public theater with a number of obvious and close witnesses.

As to sending a corpse--or a live body--to Cuba and blaming Castro that way, that sounds pretty dangerous to me: customs of two nations, for starters. Lot's of things could go wrong. I think they wanted a live body to parade in front of the cameras and look guilty for a day or two.

Jim

Can we jump back a bit. Whether there was a Harvey & Lee which I tend to believe or whether there was an Oswald double that day to set him up or whether there was no actual double, just a killer of Tippit to frame Oswald, and, based on what I and I think everyone here believes which is that Osawald didn't kill anyone what did Oswald think he was doing?

Did he just work at the TSBD because Ruth Paine got him a job there before he found something else? and did he or didn't he know who the Paine's were or who de Mohrenchildt was or was he completely used?

Or

Did he have an actual purpose in living in Dallas, living with the Paine's, working at the TSBD?

If. the latter, who was he working for or with? Did he tip off the Chicago Plot? Did he know the Paine's were agents of some sort or specifically CIA? Did he think they were patriots trying to protect JFK? Was he planted there to spy on the Paine's? If so, by whom? Did he think they were bad guys?

If he was supposed to in some way prevent the assassination what if anything do his actions on 11/22 show that indicates that he did to that end?

I think there are two main scenarios, a) the HARVEY/LEE one and b) the CIA manipulated Oswald, who was impersonated by different people in order to make him the patsy. If we take the HARVEY/LEE scenario then I would think HARVEY is mostly in the dark or in keeping with his New Orleans FPFC pose, working with the Paines to ferret out students in Dallas who would be pro Castro. LEE is working with the Dallas anti-Castro Cubans, setting up HARVEY and is most likely one of the TSBD shooters. He shot Tippit because Tippit (assigned to pick up HARVEY and deliver him to those who would then dispose of him) mistook him for HARVEY and attempted to arrest him. He was shot for his trouble and LEE dropped the wallet, improvising a cover. If b) then Oswald was infiltrating the Dallas anti-Castro community and reporting to the FBI. He could have gotten wind of the assassination plot and reported it, while still maintaining his cover. He could have had to play some role in the plan in order to do so. In either case he was unaware of what the Paines were really up to i.e. setting him up.