18-03-2014, 06:01 AM
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Lauren, Lets try to keep an even keel. While I'll agree that the US and NATO have done more than their share of false-flag operations, they are not the only country or entity that has. Russia has [one to mention would be those apartment bombings outside of Moscow blamed on Chechen 'terrorists']; China has, as well. Pakistan did and it is not yet clear if they did it on their own or under someone else's sponsorship. Israel and the old South Africa certainly did many false flag operations...One could go on. Many nations, for their own reasons, have hopped on the 'war on terror' bandwagon - or were already on it before the USA proclaimed it on 9-11-01. False-flag predates the Trojan Horse episode.
Yes, the oddest thing about the disappearance of the plane is no one claiming it was done in the name of or against the name of X, Y, or Z. I think that it could be used for an attack a la 9-11, but all major countries [those likely to be the target] are well aware of this now and will send up interceptors [or shoot down] an unidentified plane of that type - unlike the 'hesitancy' shown by Cheney and Rumsfeld et al.
While satellite imaging and sensing is a highly-kept secret, I can't imagine that both US and Russian [possibly other] spy or even simply Earth-watching satellites are not able to track the plane better than the scant information we've been told about [the engine handshakes]. I note one seeming discrepancy on the handshakes. They say they carried on for seven [!] hours after the plane was 'lost' about 45 minutes into flight....that means it likely traveled a long distance. The discrepancy is with that they say they can only pin down one distance [shown in the map above]. If, as they say, they were getting handshakes [minus the usual set of data] for seven hours, that alone should allow a calculation of distance, if not position - and if heard by two or more satellites, then position should be 100% possible. Spy satellites are built to [along with other things] track incoming missiles and planes [even at night; even without electronic signals or false ones to mislead], so why they can't track civilian planes is hard to imagine. I think several countries know much more about this event than they are saying publicly. They may have what they think are good reasons for their silence, or they could be involved in some black operation that may not yet be complete. Sadly, whatever the scenario, I can't imagine the passengers and crew being held alive somewhere - although there is that smallest and remotest possibility - I think it very unlikely.
While air travel is still RELATIVELY safe, more and more persons are going to wish the days of large ocean going passenger ships would return.....
While far from being inclined [at this point] to think along the lines of pilot suicide...I think this now forgotten episode with an Egyptian airline might need looking at again, in light of what has just happened..... The Egypt Air flight 990 was two years before 9-11. I don't know, but am asking myself - was it the co-pilot or was someone testing control of planes by electronic means - or something completely other? If memory serves, the wreckage was found in the ocean.
A dozen years ago, U.S. investigators filed a final report into the 1999 crash of EgyptAir Flight 990, which plunged into the Atlantic Ocean near the Massachusetts island of Nantucket, killing all 217 aboard. They concluded that when co-pilot Gameel El-Batouty found himself alone on the flight deck, he switched off the auto-pilot, pointed the plane downward, and calmly repeated the phrase "I rely on God" over and over, 11 times in total.Yet while the National Transportation Safety Board concluded that the co-pilot's actions caused the crash, they didn't use the word "suicide" in the main findings of their 160-page report, instead saying the reason for his actions "was not determined." Egyptian officials, meanwhile, rejected the notion of suicide altogether, insisting instead there was some mechanical reason for the crash.
Peter, no one shot down this plane (at least we don't know of any shoot down) when it wandered off its known route and into who knows how many different countries air space.