The truth and bare facts about the Bay of Pigs

[David Josephs]

I will tell you the truth, many here would like to do nothing more than try and discredit me. My argument all along has NOT been about whether the BOP invasion could or would have worked, or what part of the plan could have had it's success, but simply the diversion of the plan by the CIA.

My argument has been that NO one deliberately "designs a plan to fail", that's not the way it works, the truth about the BOP is the fact that everything went wrong, though the United States supported them monetarily they would not support them militarily. I can tell you, that I have personally been around the CIA long enough to know they are out to deceive.

That's not my opinion, that's a fact, your opinion is that the BOP was "design to fail", and that's your opinion, but that's not a fact.

Perhaps, once the rest of the documents are released on this baby you'll understand. But, don't expect them anytime soon, because if they haven't been released after 50 years chances are they won't.

"My argument has been that NO one deliberately "designs a plan to fail", that's not the way it works,"

Sorry Scott, but I have to say this is one of the most naive and misinformed statement I have read in quite a while.
You're understanding of CI, Angleton, Dulles, Helms, Bissel, Cabal, Lansdale, etc... might benefit from some additional research.

Until you can accurately and reliably tell us what the PLAN was in the minds of those who drafted it, what the actual objectives were (not the ones listed in CIA documents - cause we all know how reliable and authentic CIA documents are) there is simply no way you or anyone else not intimately involved in the planning could know these things.

Scott... take some time and read Bill Harvey's ZR/RIFLE & QJ/WIN notes on "Executive Action" and the supporting documentation and deniability involved.... Fake 201's, backdated correspondance, blowback deniability... etc...

This is just one of a number of pages - yet it refers to the COVER activites expected for success.....

Scott, please believe me when I say I am not casting any doubt on your Father's work or activities.... only that your presentation of how you understand covert CIA/Military activity and that the offered or obvious OBJECTIVES of the plans enacted are not always what they appear.... in fact, if the CIA is doing their job, they are NEVER what they appear....

For you to definitely state that CIA plans do not work that way... is as I say naive...

There's an old quote that goes, "Never believe anything until it has been officially denied" (Airplanes fyling into buildings? we NEVER thought of that)

I am hoping you take my comments in the spirit they are offered. I've spent the better part of 15 years involved in the study of these plans and the related plans to cover up the actual Objective...
The CIA et al are in the business of deception. To assume, from information provided about something the CIA did was in any way OBVIOUS, is to me the biggest concern in your argument here.

How are you in a position to know what the BOP plan was actually designed to do, unless you were there and involved?


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