Detailed discussion and analysis of the H&L evidence

[David Josephs]

"most current JFK research doesn't change anything" - related to H&L or all of it in general Lauren?

All of it. If Douglass is largely correct about the Why He Died?, that leaves his next question, And Why It Matters? To my mind, any JFK research needs to speak to these two questions, or they become about curiosities -- dotting i's and crossing t's.

The Sean Murphy thread at EF was remarkable in both its tone and respect for opinions. But to say LHO really was on the front steps -- hardly moving -- still to my mind does not address the two questions above.

I'll read the rest of this post a little later. I am just responding to this sentence.

Understood...


and I will have to respectfully disagree about the dotting i's....

I apologize ahead of time if this sounds like a soap-box rant... yet there are '31 flavors' cause not everyone likes Vanilla. Resolution and knowledge in a variety of areas - JFK being only one of many - seems to lead to bigger and better understandings of our world history. As I write below, understanding H&L will not solve the case or even get us closer to the Sponsors... but it will help fill in blanks where H&L was never considered and possibly create clarity for others who may indeed take it steps further.

If we want to find the SPONSORS in this world, I personally believe the following is a good place to start... SPONSORS have obviously been around much longer than the JFK situation...

So Lauren, I wonder how to proceed? Nothing will actually SOLVE anything here in intellectual-land... Nothing will change...EVER in the way humanity treats itself... or what it will try to get away with... (laws agains slavery does not rid the SPONSOR from still trying to get away with it)

So we should stop trying to understand? I have to think that remains a personal decision.

The abyss one finds oneself in when seeing and realizing this causes some to go crazy, some to fight and be killed, and many to find areas of the world and of the JFK case they CAN understand and maybe make a contribution to...
I am not posting this in a vacuum. If you think our time is better spent chasing the Sponsors, I offer the following...

The evidence and signposts are all there throughout most of recorded history... and requires us a individuals to seek understanding of much broader and "deep" concepts such as:

1. What is accepted History?
2. What constitues truth and knowledge on a global scale?
3. What does a Perpetual Peace entail and is it even a human possibility?
4. Would a ONE WORLD ORDER releive us of WAR at the cost of ???

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In 1[B]795,[/B] Immanuel Kant wrote Perpetual Peace: A Phiosophical Sketch... As the New USA fought off a Centralized Banking system... it was as obvious then as it it now.

"National debts shall not be contracted with a view to the external friction of states"

Commentary and translation by Jonathon Bennet 2010
National debts are not to beincurred as an aid to the conduct of foreign policy.'

There's nothing wrong with this way of seeking aid, within the
state or from outside it, in support of the domestic economy
the improvement of roads, new settlements, creating reserve
stores of commodities as insurance against unfruitful years,
etc. But as a tool for use in the struggle of ·national·
powers against each other, this credit systemthe ingenious
invention of a commercial people in the present centuryis
a dangerous kind of money-power. The debt it involves keeps
growing, unnoticed, and the debtor state isn't pulled up
short by demands for repayment, because the creditors don't
all require payment at one time. ·And in time it grows to
be· a war-chest bigger than those of all the other states
combined. The only way it can get used up is through a loss
of tax income [to pay the interest?]; that certainly will eventually
happen, but it can be kept at bay for a long time because
of the stimulus the credit system gives to industry and
commerce ·and thus to tax revenues·. This ease in making
war, together with rulers' lust for powersomething that
seems inborn in human natureis thus a great hindrance
to perpetual peace. All the more reason why there should
be a preliminary article of perpetual peace forbidding this
credit system; and states that don't use it are justified in
combining against any state that does, because they will
be harmed by their entanglement in that state's inevitable
bankruptcy
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The posts I've made regarding Textron, Bell, Sun Life, Bank of Boston, Morgan/Rothschild and Cravath, Swaine and Moore goes directly to the heart of the Sponsors.
Lawyers and Bankers remain the heart and life blood of the Sponsor's power.

Who was #2 at Dept of Defense? How important was McCloy? Who is the NSA and CFR? How did the Fed grab control of this country in exactly the same way precursers to the FED run most nations of the world?
Who do you believe runs the World Bank and IMF and why? Who was in charge of rebuilding Europe after the war?

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/19...udy_in.pdf
Robert Strange McNamara became
Secretary of Defense while Cravath Swain and Moore
partner, Roswell Gilpatrick became the number two
man in Defense. This opened a whole new phase in
Textron development.

the one responsible for the
postwar degradation was John J.McCloy. a partner atCravath Swain and Moore.Miller's law firm. McCloy
brought to West Germany a dozen Cravath Swain and
Moore lawyers to run the Occupation
From March 1947 to June 1949, McCloy was president of the World Bank..

The high-technology branch of Textron operations
began quietly in Massachusetts in 1946 as the American
Research and Development Corporation, a three million
dollar venture-capital firm. It was founded by the Sun
Life Assurance of London through its Boston operative.
Paul F. Clark. president of the John Hancock Life Insurance
Company and director of First National of
Boston, the bank whose extraordinary largess built
Textron. Also founding ARD was Oscar W. Haussmann.
a top corporate lawyer and chairman of the New
England Industrial Research Foundation and the Boston
Municipal Research Bureau. and Lessing J. Rosenwalt
of Sears Roebuck and Kuhn Loeb.

Control is exercised by Sun Life of Canada through its
chairman. Alistair M. Campbell who sits on the ARD
board and sat on Textron's before their formal merger
in 1972.


not to be too flippant, but he didn't just die, he was brutally murdered and his body why mutilated afterward to hide the evidence.

Why did "they" do that to him?
He was embarking upon and gaining ground to end the Cold War.

To remove an unreplaceable - at the time - enemy, which, if not removed, granted more and more power to the Sponsors and their economic and political models.

Why does it Matter?
IMO Lauren, to send amessage to anyone who would even think to step out of line.... there was no safe place for anyone at any level of power who tries to stop it...
and there never has.


If this forum's name is indicative of its desire to uncover the deeper politics of not only the assassination of JFK but of the removal of the Sponsor's road blocks for the last 200+ years... H&L is indeed a waste of time...
It will not lead to the Sponsors... by design.

When instead we could be looking to connect dots which do not even appear to us as in the same universe... Fletcher Prouty gives the lead-up to this transaction a few paragraphs in his JFK, Vietnam and the CIA book... I suggest if you have it you read those sections as they relate to a CIA General Cabell and a request by the Bank of Boston's VP to learn if TEXTRON's buying Bell would be a good investment....

A bit too close enough for ya?

In fact the company was heading for bankruptcy. Yet
somehow, the Prudential Life Insurance Company of
Newark, a Morgan influenced firm, provided a $25
million unsecured note to Textron, with a six-year grace
period on repayments. A most un-insurance company like
type of loan.

With the loan, Textron bought Bell and remarkably,helicopter orders zoomed up 50 percent between 1961 and
1962. Bell's UH-IB and UH-IB Iroquois were heavily
ordered for JFK's (sic) Vietnam War. With this kick, Textron
began another round of acquisitions, now heavily defense
or machine-tool oriented. The pace was dizzying. For
example in 1965 (January), Textron bought Le Progres
Industrial, a Belgian machine tool manufacturer; in
February, it bought Old King Cole to supplement the
plastics line of Fanner Industries division; in July, it
acquired the South Coast Marine Co.; in September, it
obtained substantial interest in the American Screw
Company of Chile (nationalized by Chilean Govt. in
1972) ; in October, it acquired the Patterson-Sargent
paint business. In 1966 Textron was even more active,
buying, selling or rearranging ten companies