24-03-2014, 05:45 PM
HAVE YOU READ THE BOOK? or is this you just cherry-picking and trolling for attention?
In most cases, Sport, a person becomes defensive when another is being offensive... Your inability to offer supporting documentation for your uninformed opinions is offensive...
Your transparent desire to get members over to your bully pulpit is offensive...
Your never addressing the questions in our responses and creating straw men instead - is offensive.
Your continued use of Summaries of reports - which are then refuted as more inauthentic FBI mumbo jumbo - IOW never happening to begin with... is offensive.
Here's an idea... READ THE BOOK... Post some evidence you disagree with... and explain why WITH SOURCES - you disagree with it...
Or just keep doing what you're doing....:
::face.palm:: nope... nothing offensive about that statement...
So set me straight about a few things Sport... Who was Velma Marlin...?
Better yet... 1410 Hurley Ave Ft Worth - MO's return address from the April 6, 1960 letter she sent ASC (CE231) and on June 10 her address was still 1410 Hurley...
The Methodist Orphanage in Waco is 90 miles south... that's quite a commute each day... Good thing Thursday April 28, 1960 was her day off!
Mr. STERN. I think these reports largely speak for themselves, Mr. Fain, but I would like to ask you a few details to clarify statements in the report. On page 3 in the report of your interview of Mrs. Marguerite Oswald, you say in the
second line, "She volunteered for interview." What does that mean in this connection?
Mr. FAIN. You will notice that on the lower left-hand corner it indicates I talked to her on the 28th, April 28, which was the day after I talked to her son Robert Lee, and evidently he had gotten in touch with her on the same afternoon that I talked to him or that night. Anyway she knocked on the door the next day and wanted to talk to me; and she came in voluntarily. I believe Robert told me that he would get in touch with her. He gave me her address, at least, and I was going to send out a lead to have her interviewed down there, but she came In to talk to me, voluntarily
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Mrs. OSWALD. I don't recall him asking any questions. It could be. But I frankly do not recall him asking any questions. But it was a very short session. And that is the way I ended the tape. I said, "My thoughts have left me because I see my son crying bitterly." That is the way I ended the tape. And it was a very short tape. I do not remember him questioning me. I think I started to tell my story. And that is the only time.
It was from my persistence that I got on tape just that little while. They did not want to hear anything from me.
Mr. RANKIN. You don't think, then, that at that time there were questions and answers for about 28 pages taken from you?
Mrs. OSWALD. From me no, sir. Definitely not. If they have that, what they have is my talking, like I said, when I saw on television. They said--they were showing Lee's gun. And I was not watching television--I am getting snatches of it, and I said, "Now, how can they say, even though it is Lee's gun, that Lee shot the President. Even being his gun doesn't mean that he shot the President. Someone could have framed him."
If they have 28 pages of that, they have me doing that kind of talking, and had the room bugged, or whatever you want to say. But no, sir, I did not sit and testify. I swear before God 10 times I never have. And that is the point that
has bothered me. Even before Lee's defection no one came along to the house. I called Mr. John Fain in the FBI myself to make friends with him. If they have 20 pages of testimony--that is when they got it, my talking. They got it with a tape recorder going. But I did not, no, sir.
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Mrs. OSWALD. I certainly need to know what I am supposed to have said. There is an FBI agent by the name of Mr. John Fain. I will ask you, Mr. Rankin, if you have his address, or do you know about Mr. John Fain?
Mr. RANKIN. I know of Mr. John Fain as one of the agents that had some interviews with your son. [So, sport, how is it that Rankin is not aware of Fain's interview with Mrs. O?]
Mrs. OSWALD. Now, Mr. John Fain is the agent that I called upon myself after Lee's defection. I read where the Secret Service were investigating the family background, and I mistook it for the FBI. So I called the FBI and he came to my home. And he is the agent who recommended me to talk to Jim Wright and Sam Rayburn as a friend, and to write the letters. Now, the one point I am going to bring out is this. When Lee returned from Russia and was at Robert's home,
Mr. Fain--in the meantime he had come over to Robert and talked to him several times, and to me, supposedly as a friend--he said he was not on the case. I do not know this.
But he came to Robert's home and said to Lee--my daughter-in-law is a witness there "Lee, I am not on the case, but I would like you voluntarily to come to the office at your convenience and tell me your story, because I am interested in your case. Your mother was the one who contacted me. And I have been to see Robert. And I am quite interested in a young boy going to Russia. And you must have a story." So Lee voluntarily went with Mr. Fain to the FBI office. Then when Lee returned, his remark was "Well, he didn't believe me. He wanted me to take a lie detector test, which I refused."
Now, Mr. John Fain may have the story we are looking for, you see because Lee went and gave the story. And I want to make sure you know where he is now. I have information from Senator Mike Monroney that in March--I am ahead of my story.
The FBI agents now in Fort Worth have told me they do not know Mr. John Fain. I said I happen to know that is his name. "Well, Mrs Oswald, I worked in this office 9 years, and there has never been such a person as Mr. John Fain."
So I have investigated. And Senator Mike Monroney gave this information. He did work in the Fort Worth office from March 1949 to October 1962, and then he retired in January 15, 1963. He is not a man to retire as far as age, as far as I am concerned. I don't think Mr. John Fain is that old.
The CHAIRMAN. We will check that out.
Quote: What is "weird" is the ultra-sensitivity and defensiveness on display by you and David. You guys are simply shitting bricks.
In most cases, Sport, a person becomes defensive when another is being offensive... Your inability to offer supporting documentation for your uninformed opinions is offensive...
Your transparent desire to get members over to your bully pulpit is offensive...
Your never addressing the questions in our responses and creating straw men instead - is offensive.
Your continued use of Summaries of reports - which are then refuted as more inauthentic FBI mumbo jumbo - IOW never happening to begin with... is offensive.
Here's an idea... READ THE BOOK... Post some evidence you disagree with... and explain why WITH SOURCES - you disagree with it...
Or just keep doing what you're doing....:
Quote: Let me straighten you out yet again.
::face.palm:: nope... nothing offensive about that statement...
So set me straight about a few things Sport... Who was Velma Marlin...?
Better yet... 1410 Hurley Ave Ft Worth - MO's return address from the April 6, 1960 letter she sent ASC (CE231) and on June 10 her address was still 1410 Hurley...
The Methodist Orphanage in Waco is 90 miles south... that's quite a commute each day... Good thing Thursday April 28, 1960 was her day off!
Mr. STERN. I think these reports largely speak for themselves, Mr. Fain, but I would like to ask you a few details to clarify statements in the report. On page 3 in the report of your interview of Mrs. Marguerite Oswald, you say in the
second line, "She volunteered for interview." What does that mean in this connection?
Mr. FAIN. You will notice that on the lower left-hand corner it indicates I talked to her on the 28th, April 28, which was the day after I talked to her son Robert Lee, and evidently he had gotten in touch with her on the same afternoon that I talked to him or that night. Anyway she knocked on the door the next day and wanted to talk to me; and she came in voluntarily. I believe Robert told me that he would get in touch with her. He gave me her address, at least, and I was going to send out a lead to have her interviewed down there, but she came In to talk to me, voluntarily
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Mrs. OSWALD. I don't recall him asking any questions. It could be. But I frankly do not recall him asking any questions. But it was a very short session. And that is the way I ended the tape. I said, "My thoughts have left me because I see my son crying bitterly." That is the way I ended the tape. And it was a very short tape. I do not remember him questioning me. I think I started to tell my story. And that is the only time.
It was from my persistence that I got on tape just that little while. They did not want to hear anything from me.
Mr. RANKIN. You don't think, then, that at that time there were questions and answers for about 28 pages taken from you?
Mrs. OSWALD. From me no, sir. Definitely not. If they have that, what they have is my talking, like I said, when I saw on television. They said--they were showing Lee's gun. And I was not watching television--I am getting snatches of it, and I said, "Now, how can they say, even though it is Lee's gun, that Lee shot the President. Even being his gun doesn't mean that he shot the President. Someone could have framed him."
If they have 28 pages of that, they have me doing that kind of talking, and had the room bugged, or whatever you want to say. But no, sir, I did not sit and testify. I swear before God 10 times I never have. And that is the point that
has bothered me. Even before Lee's defection no one came along to the house. I called Mr. John Fain in the FBI myself to make friends with him. If they have 20 pages of testimony--that is when they got it, my talking. They got it with a tape recorder going. But I did not, no, sir.
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Mrs. OSWALD. I certainly need to know what I am supposed to have said. There is an FBI agent by the name of Mr. John Fain. I will ask you, Mr. Rankin, if you have his address, or do you know about Mr. John Fain?
Mr. RANKIN. I know of Mr. John Fain as one of the agents that had some interviews with your son. [So, sport, how is it that Rankin is not aware of Fain's interview with Mrs. O?]
Mrs. OSWALD. Now, Mr. John Fain is the agent that I called upon myself after Lee's defection. I read where the Secret Service were investigating the family background, and I mistook it for the FBI. So I called the FBI and he came to my home. And he is the agent who recommended me to talk to Jim Wright and Sam Rayburn as a friend, and to write the letters. Now, the one point I am going to bring out is this. When Lee returned from Russia and was at Robert's home,
Mr. Fain--in the meantime he had come over to Robert and talked to him several times, and to me, supposedly as a friend--he said he was not on the case. I do not know this.
But he came to Robert's home and said to Lee--my daughter-in-law is a witness there "Lee, I am not on the case, but I would like you voluntarily to come to the office at your convenience and tell me your story, because I am interested in your case. Your mother was the one who contacted me. And I have been to see Robert. And I am quite interested in a young boy going to Russia. And you must have a story." So Lee voluntarily went with Mr. Fain to the FBI office. Then when Lee returned, his remark was "Well, he didn't believe me. He wanted me to take a lie detector test, which I refused."
Now, Mr. John Fain may have the story we are looking for, you see because Lee went and gave the story. And I want to make sure you know where he is now. I have information from Senator Mike Monroney that in March--I am ahead of my story.
The FBI agents now in Fort Worth have told me they do not know Mr. John Fain. I said I happen to know that is his name. "Well, Mrs Oswald, I worked in this office 9 years, and there has never been such a person as Mr. John Fain."
So I have investigated. And Senator Mike Monroney gave this information. He did work in the Fort Worth office from March 1949 to October 1962, and then he retired in January 15, 1963. He is not a man to retire as far as age, as far as I am concerned. I don't think Mr. John Fain is that old.
The CHAIRMAN. We will check that out.
Once in a while you get shown the light
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter
in the strangest of places if you look at it right..... R. Hunter