29-07-2017, 09:55 PM
Baker's testimony did go off the record 5 times. I have reproduced these for the benefit of the readers.
1) III p. 244) BELIN: I wonder if you would pick up your actions with the motorcade as it went down Main Street commencing at say, Main and Record streets.
BAKER: Well, it was the usual escort. We were traveling about somewhere around 5 to 10 miles an hour.
DULLES: There is a map right behind you.
(Discussion off the record)
BELIN: Back on the record again.
DULLES: Would you state exactly where you were riding? We know a good deal about this, the cars the way they were paced. There was a car right behind the President's car that followed, I think 6 or 7 feet right behind the President's car.
BAKER: That was the Secret Service car.
[The 1st break in the testimony does not apply to the lunchroom incident]
2) p. 254) [Belin had just covered Baker's re-enactment timings to the lunchroom, and Oswald's timing from the sniper's nest (run through with SS agent John Joe Howlett). The latter was 74 seconds.]
BELIN: Now, I want to go back to the sixth floor a minute with Mr. Dulles' question.
DULLES: Can we go off the record here one moment?
(Discussion off the record)
BELIN: On the record. Officer Baker, when you related your story earlier you said that as you ran back on the first floor you first ran to the elevator shaft, is that correct?
BAKER: That is right, sir.
BELIN: And you stopped at the east or the west elevator door?
BAKER: That would be the west.
BELIN: All right. This was on the first floor, and did you look up the elevator shaft at that time?
BAKER: Yes, sir, at that time I did.
BELIN: This was while Truly was calling for the elevator?
BAKER: Yes, sir.
[And Baker then went into greater detail about what occurred at the elevator shaft. He had not done this when he had first described his rush into the warehouse on p. 249. Truly, who testified the day before, had gone into greater detail about his time at the first-floor elevator shaft (pp. 223, 240)
What was suspicious about the 2nd break in Baker's testimony was the Mystery of the West Elevator, which assistant counsel Norman Redlich prepared a memo about shortly before the Truly-Baker testimonies.
3) p. 255) [Conclusion of the elevator shaft discussion and segue into what Baker saw in the vestibule door. As Baker was coming around the landing he caught a glimpse of Oswald in the plate-glass window "and it looked to me like he was going away."
I am familiar with the hoaxers' complaints of matching up Baker's position with being able to see Oswald- it has led me to conclude that Oswald was up near the glass and flinched away the instant he saw Baker.]
BELIN: All right. Now, you got up to floor number two at the time and you did that with the stairs.
BAKER: Yes, sir.
BELIN: At the time you got up there was there any elevator on floor number two that you can remember, if you remember? Maybe you cannot remember, I don't know.
BAKER: Evidently- now, I didn't look, evidently it wasn't because it seemed to me like the next floor up Mr. Truly said let's take the elevator.
BELIN: At some higher floor after that?
BAKER: Yes, sir.
BELIN: All right, if we can go off the record for a moment here.
(Discussion off the record)
[Hoaxers make hay here, suspecting that since Truly said let's take the elevator while on the 5th, that Baker had just met "4th floor man". But their theory doesn't hold up, not with all the numerous gaps I have detailed in my previous posts. And this inconsistency is nothing more than Baker's imprecise understanding of the TSBD layout. And it shows that his memory was not perfect. To cherrypick his statement out of context gives it a meaning it does not have.]
BELIN: Officer Baker, first of all, handing you what the court reporter has marked as Exhibit 498 [a photo of the plate-glass windowed door], I would like you to state whether or not this appears to be the door leading from the second floor hallway into the vestibule going into the lunchroom.
BAKER: Yes, sir; it does.
BELIN: Is this the door through which you glanced as you came around the stairs coming up from the first floor?
BAKER: Yes, sir.
BELIN: What did you see that caused you to turn away from going up to the third floor?
BAKER: As I came out of that stairway running, Mr. Truly had already gone around, see, and I don't know, as I came around-
DULLES: Gone around and up?
BAKER: He had already started around the bend to come to the next elevation going up, I was coming out this one on the second floor, and I don't know, I was kind of sweeping this area as I come up, I was looking from right to left and as I got to this door here I caught a glimpse of this man, just, you know, a sudden glimpse, that is all it was now, and it looked to me like he was going away from me ."
[So the 3rd break occurred when they shifted gears from the elevator shaft discussion to the sighting of Oswald. It seems perfectly natural to me to relax for a bit before shifting the witness' attention onto the major impetus of the testimony, which was the sighting of Oswald. Nothing substantive, of a conspiratorial nature, can be concluded from this 3rd break]
1) III p. 244) BELIN: I wonder if you would pick up your actions with the motorcade as it went down Main Street commencing at say, Main and Record streets.
BAKER: Well, it was the usual escort. We were traveling about somewhere around 5 to 10 miles an hour.
DULLES: There is a map right behind you.
(Discussion off the record)
BELIN: Back on the record again.
DULLES: Would you state exactly where you were riding? We know a good deal about this, the cars the way they were paced. There was a car right behind the President's car that followed, I think 6 or 7 feet right behind the President's car.
BAKER: That was the Secret Service car.
[The 1st break in the testimony does not apply to the lunchroom incident]
2) p. 254) [Belin had just covered Baker's re-enactment timings to the lunchroom, and Oswald's timing from the sniper's nest (run through with SS agent John Joe Howlett). The latter was 74 seconds.]
BELIN: Now, I want to go back to the sixth floor a minute with Mr. Dulles' question.
DULLES: Can we go off the record here one moment?
(Discussion off the record)
BELIN: On the record. Officer Baker, when you related your story earlier you said that as you ran back on the first floor you first ran to the elevator shaft, is that correct?
BAKER: That is right, sir.
BELIN: And you stopped at the east or the west elevator door?
BAKER: That would be the west.
BELIN: All right. This was on the first floor, and did you look up the elevator shaft at that time?
BAKER: Yes, sir, at that time I did.
BELIN: This was while Truly was calling for the elevator?
BAKER: Yes, sir.
[And Baker then went into greater detail about what occurred at the elevator shaft. He had not done this when he had first described his rush into the warehouse on p. 249. Truly, who testified the day before, had gone into greater detail about his time at the first-floor elevator shaft (pp. 223, 240)
What was suspicious about the 2nd break in Baker's testimony was the Mystery of the West Elevator, which assistant counsel Norman Redlich prepared a memo about shortly before the Truly-Baker testimonies.
3) p. 255) [Conclusion of the elevator shaft discussion and segue into what Baker saw in the vestibule door. As Baker was coming around the landing he caught a glimpse of Oswald in the plate-glass window "and it looked to me like he was going away."
I am familiar with the hoaxers' complaints of matching up Baker's position with being able to see Oswald- it has led me to conclude that Oswald was up near the glass and flinched away the instant he saw Baker.]
BELIN: All right. Now, you got up to floor number two at the time and you did that with the stairs.
BAKER: Yes, sir.
BELIN: At the time you got up there was there any elevator on floor number two that you can remember, if you remember? Maybe you cannot remember, I don't know.
BAKER: Evidently- now, I didn't look, evidently it wasn't because it seemed to me like the next floor up Mr. Truly said let's take the elevator.
BELIN: At some higher floor after that?
BAKER: Yes, sir.
BELIN: All right, if we can go off the record for a moment here.
(Discussion off the record)
[Hoaxers make hay here, suspecting that since Truly said let's take the elevator while on the 5th, that Baker had just met "4th floor man". But their theory doesn't hold up, not with all the numerous gaps I have detailed in my previous posts. And this inconsistency is nothing more than Baker's imprecise understanding of the TSBD layout. And it shows that his memory was not perfect. To cherrypick his statement out of context gives it a meaning it does not have.]
BELIN: Officer Baker, first of all, handing you what the court reporter has marked as Exhibit 498 [a photo of the plate-glass windowed door], I would like you to state whether or not this appears to be the door leading from the second floor hallway into the vestibule going into the lunchroom.
BAKER: Yes, sir; it does.
BELIN: Is this the door through which you glanced as you came around the stairs coming up from the first floor?
BAKER: Yes, sir.
BELIN: What did you see that caused you to turn away from going up to the third floor?
BAKER: As I came out of that stairway running, Mr. Truly had already gone around, see, and I don't know, as I came around-
DULLES: Gone around and up?
BAKER: He had already started around the bend to come to the next elevation going up, I was coming out this one on the second floor, and I don't know, I was kind of sweeping this area as I come up, I was looking from right to left and as I got to this door here I caught a glimpse of this man, just, you know, a sudden glimpse, that is all it was now, and it looked to me like he was going away from me ."
[So the 3rd break occurred when they shifted gears from the elevator shaft discussion to the sighting of Oswald. It seems perfectly natural to me to relax for a bit before shifting the witness' attention onto the major impetus of the testimony, which was the sighting of Oswald. Nothing substantive, of a conspiratorial nature, can be concluded from this 3rd break]