28-03-2010, 09:27 PM
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JUDYTH REPLIES TO JACK ABOUT HIS ACCOUNT OF THE FALSE DEFECTOR PROGRAM:
The above reply indicates a lack of understanding of the FALSE DEFECTOR PROGRAM.
Here is the probable scenario.
==NOTE JACK CANNOT SAY THIS IS "THE SCENARIO". I HAVE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT
ACCOUNT FROM LEE H. OSWALD, AND I WILL EVENTUALLY BRING OUT DETAILS.==
1. With her family's knowledge, Marguerite took Lee to New York for "mental testing".
'FAMILY KNOWLEDGE'? WE HAVE JOHN PIC'S SHOCK THAT MARGUERITE SHOWS UP WITH
LEE AND SEEMS TO WANT TO STAY. MARGUERITE ELSEWHERE GIVES A MULTITUDE OF
REASONS WHY THEY WENT TO NEW YORK, ESPECIALLY WANTING LEE TO BE NEAR HIS
BROTHER.
2. The mental testing turned out to be a CIA operation to look for candidates to LEND
THEIR IDENTITY TO THE CIA for a FALSE DEFECTOR PROGRAM.
==THE "MENTAL TESTING" OCCURRED AT A YOUTH HOUSE, WHERE LEE WENT ONLY
AFTER MANY MONTHS OF TRUANCY. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT LEE DIDN'T ORIGINALLY GO
TO NEW YORK FOR TESTING.==
3. Marguerite, Robert and John Pic all considered this PATRIOTIC.
WHERE DO THEY SAY THAT TESTING LEE OSWALD IN A FACILITY FOR JUVENILE
DELINQUENTS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH PATRIOTISM? QUOTES, PLEASE.
4. There was NO RISK to Lee; all he was doing was allowing his identity to be used.
CITATIONS, PLEASE. FROM ANY SOURCE BUT WHITE AND ARMSTRONG.
5. This happened when Lee was 12 or 13 years old; he probably liked the intrigue of it...
his name being used by a spy being trained.
WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO LEE IS ALMOST AS EXCITING AS WHAT HAS
BEEN MADE UP HERE. HOW DID JOHN ARMSTRONG MISS CHARLES THOMAS?
PERHAPS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SPEND NEARLY THREE YEARS SEARCHING FOR A
GERMAN-ACCENT CUSTOMS AGENT FROM NEW YORK WHO HAD ONCE LIVED IN MIAMI,
HAD TATTOOS ON HIS FINGERS, SPOKE FLUENT SPANISH, AND WAS MARRIED TO A
CHITIMACHA INDIAN WOMAN. WHO HAD PLENTY OF GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT
LEE IN NEW YORK, SOME OF WHICH I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVE OCCURRED.
6. Marguerite likely received much needed compensation for doing this.
HOW LIKELY IS THAT? ARMSTRONG ALSO SAYS SHE SOLD HER HOUSE IN 1952.
7. Armstrong documents how when Marguerite returns to Fort Worth, she began
buying real estate, though said to be destitute.
SHE SOLD HER HOME IN 1952 AND OTHER THINGS OCCURRED, WHICH I CAN EXPLAIN.
8. John Pic was first to say that there was a substitute for his half brother. A photo
of Harvey playing hookey at the Bronx Zoo during the New York stay Pic said was
not anyone he recognized.
I HAVE ALREADY DEMONSTRATED THAT HE PHENOTYPE IS OSWALD. THE STRONG FAMILY
RESEMBLANCE IS UNMISTAKABLE. IF PIC COULD NOT RECOGNIZE THE PHOTO, WE MUST
NOTE THAT THE PHOTO ITSELF HAS BLACK SPOTS ON IT AROUND THE NOSE AND EYES,
WHICH DO NOT BELONG THERE.
9. Robert knew of the operation from the beginning, but did not meet HARVEY
until the Thanksgiving Reunion.
WHO TOLD HIM TO STAY MUM ABOUT 'HARVEY' WHEN 'HARVEY' SHOWED UP FROM RUSSIA? T
THE US GOVERNMENT? WHEN? BEFORE 'HARVEY' ARRIVED? WHAT ABOUT THE PHOTOS ON THE
WALL SHOWING BOTH 'LEE' AND 'HARVEY'? WHEN WAS ROBERT TOLD? WHO GAVE ROBERT THE
IMPERIAL REFLEX CAMERA BEFORE 'LEE' WENT TO RUSSIA?
IT'S TIME FOR A DNA TEST, PEOPLE. THIS IS TOO MUCH. WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO MARGUERITES
-- ONE OF WHOM VANISHES FOREVER. ARMSTRONG IS RELYING ON RECORDS WHEN LEE TOLD
ME PLAINLY THAT SOME RECORDS ABOUT HIM HAD BEEN FAKED. YOU MUST NEVER BELIEVE
EVERY RECORD YOU FIND ABOUT A FAKE DEFECTOR. LEE SAID HE HAD A WAY TO 'SLIP BACK
INTO SOCIETY' AS IF HE HAD NEVER LEFT DUE TO ALTERED RECORDS, SO HE COULD HAVE A
NORMAL LIFE AFTER HE LEFT THE AGENCY. HE TRIED TO LEAVE--THEY SAID HE COULD LEAVE
AFTER CHRISTMAS, 1963. THEY KEPT HIM HOPING. YOU CAN EVEN SEE [HIS OPTIMISM IN]
THAT IN THE THANKSGIVING MOVIE PHOTOS -- OR CORRECT ME, IF I AM WRONG, PLEASE.
10. Lee and Harvey clearly knew each other according to Armstrong's time lines.
OF COURSE THEY DID. THEY WERE ONE AND THE SAME PERSON.
11. Ruth Paine was clearly the handler for both Lee and Harvey, and both of them
were involved in the JFK plot, though not witting that Harvey was to be the PATSY.
RUTH PAINE'S HOSTILITY TOWARD LEE COULD NOT BE MORE OBVIOUS. WHEN HE CALLED FROM
JAIL ASKING HER TO CONTACT A LAWYER -- JOHN ABT OF NEW YORK -- FOR HIM, SHE FAILED
TO DO SO. SHE HAS CIA WRITTEN ALL OVER HER. WHAT SHE DID THE NIGHT OF NOV. 21 IS
TRULY SUSPICIOUS AND I HOPE TO ALERT EVERYONE TO READ HER ACCOUNT OF THAT NIGHT
VERY CAREFULLY.
SHE ALSO FOOLED LEE INTO THINKING SHE WAS GOING TO STAY WITH HIS WIFE WHEN MARINA
HAD HER SECOND CHILD, THEN JUST DROPPED POOR MARINA AT THE HOSPITAL AND RETURNED.
INFURIATING LEE WHO HAD STAYED BEHIND TO WATCH HER CHILDREN AND HIS DAUGHTER. HE
REFUSED TO SPEAK TO HER AND PRETENDED HE WAS ASLEEP WHEN HE HEARD HER CALL AND
FOUND OUT MARINA WAS OK AND HAD DELIVERED HER BABY ONLY AN HOUR OR SO AFTER BEING
DROPPED OFF TO HAVE THE BABY WITHOUT ANY RUSSIAN-SPEAKING PERSON PRESENT. THE
PAINES DID NOT CARE ONE HOOT ABOUT LEE, EITHER. HE WAS THEIR ASSIGNMENT. PERIOD.
12. It was arranged that Harvey lived in a rooming house during the week, while
Lee lived at the Paine house.
THIS IS THE MOST ABSURD OF ALL, AS LEE LOVED TO PLAY WITH THE KIDS THERE AND NEXT DOOR
AND THEY LOOKED FORWARD TO HIS VISITS. SO THEY BOTH SHARE MARINA, RIGHT?
13. Lee lived at the Paine house on weekends only; it is not known where Lee
lived on weekends.
BECAUSE HE WAS LEE H. OSWALD.
14. It should be remembered that Marina said: I HAD TWO HUSBANDS, HARVEY
AND LEE.
==SHE MEANT THAT THE WAY RUSSIANS ALWAYS SPEAK. A STUDY OF LINGUISTICS AND CULTURAL
ANTHROPOLOGY WOULD HELP A GREAT DEAL HERE. ONE MAN WAS A SPY, THE OTHER HER "WORKMAN
HUSBAND" WHO WAS A 'BOOKWORM' (HER WORDS). THE BAD JOB DONE ON LEE BY THE MORTICIAN
INCLUDED NOT INJECTING ENOUGH EMBALMING FLUID IN THE FACE, PUTTING ON TOO MUCH MAKEUP,
AND SEWING HIS LIPS TOO TIGHT. THE AUTOPSY PHOTOS ARE CLEARLY LEE.
POOR MARINA WAS IMPOSED UPON TO OPEN THE GRAVE AND HAVE HIM EXHUMED BECAUSE THE SCAR
LEE HAD HIDDEN UNDER HIS EAR TO HIDE HIS MASTOID OPERATION WAS NOT IN HE AUTOPSY. SURE
ENOUGH, THEY FOUND THE MASTOID BONE PROCESS BLUNTED BY HE OPERATION AND THE INFECTIONS.
THERE'S MORE, BUT THAT'S ENOUGH FOR NOW.==
(“I had two husbands: Lee, the father of my children, an affectionate and kind man;
and Harvey Oswald, the assassin of President Kennedy.”)
BECAUSE LEE'S ENEMIES PRESENTED TO HER A DICHOTOMOUS IMAGE. SHE KNEW THAT LEE WAS AN
AFFECTIONATE AND KIND MAN--HE HAD STOPPED MISTREATING HER AND WAS DECENT TO HER, EVEN
THOUGH HE ULTIMATELY PLANNED TO DIVORCE HER. HE LEFT HIS WEDDING RING BEHIND -- FOR GOOD
REASON, IF HE GOT OUT ALIVE, WE WOULD HAVE MET IN MEXICO....
MARINA SAID YEARS LATER SHE HAD BEEN PRESENTED MUCH FALSE INFORMATION AND HAD BEEN
PERSUADED THAT HER HUSBAND WAS THE ASSASSIN. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT MARINA OSWALD
WAS SLEEPING WITH TWO SEPARATE MEN. LET'S SEE THE LIST [ACCORDING TO JOHN ARMSTRONG]:
1) TWO MARGUERITES -- ONE VANISHES
2) TWO OSWALDS -- ONE VANISHES
3) ROBERT OSWALD KNOWS BUT NEVER TELLS
4) RUTH PAINE KNOWS BUT NEVER TELLS HER SHE HATES ALL THAT LAUNDRY IN HER SMALL HOME
WHERE 'LEE' MUST SLEEP ON THE COUCH OR WITH MARINA ALL WEEK!
5) MICHAEL PAINE ALSO KNOWS BUT DOESN'T TELL
7) DO WE EVER HAVE ANOTHER CASE OF A SPY "DUAL PAIR" IDENTITY FROM CHILDHOOD KNOWN IN
THE RECORDS LATER THAN LEE OSWALD "LEE" AND "HARVEY"?
8) WHY HASN'T A SINGLE PERSON INVOLVED IN THIS COMPLEX SCENARIO EVER LEAKED A WORD?
THEY'RE STILL ALIVE, TOO. DID ARMSTRONG EVER ASK ANY OF THEM, FACE TO FACE? CAN WE SEE
THOSE INTERVIEWS WHERE HE ASKED THEM?
AND,
9) FINALLY, JAMES OLMSTEAD TELLS US:
From: James K. Olmstead
Subject: Re: Harvey & Lee by John Armstrong
Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk
Date: 2003-11-12 14:31:11 PST
Harvey: You seem to be well versed in Armstrong's work so I would like to ask you a question
concerning the need to provide the "youth" with a new identity (Oswald's).
>From your first post
"HARVEY & LEE: HOW THE CIA FRAMED OSWALD" by John Armstrong
Two young boys, AMERICAN-BORN Lee Oswald and an eastern European refugee who spoke Russian
and was given the name "Harvey Oswald," were selected by the CIA for inclusion in a super-secret
project known as MK/ULTRA in the early 1950s. The plan was to merge the identity of the two over
a period of years and then, if successful, to place the Russian-speaking refugee with an American
identity into the Soviet Union as a spy.
Several years ago.....when Jack White was pushing the work of Armstrong I asked this same question
with no answer..... perhaps you can address the issue.
OLMSTEAD REPLIES:
First, there was no need to adopt the identity of Lee Harvey Oswald to provide a "new cover" for the
"refugee". Under Title 10 USC Subtitle C-Navy and Marine Corps Chapter 537, sec 5532 and 5533,
once the "refugee" was 14 years of age, he could enlist in the service under Sec 5533.
If there was no birth certificate for the young boy...the enlisting officer only had to "confirm" that
this individual was who he said he was. It was quite simple to give somebody a new name and a new
life...without involvement of "another". This law was changed after 1964......but was in effect during
the 1948-1964 period.
Why go through all the "trouble"...when things could be done quickly and legally as well as "deep undercover"?
jko
Jack
JVB
[quote name='Jack White' post='188037' date='Mar 28 2010, 03:06 AM']The above reply indicates a lack of understanding of the FALSE DEFECTOR PROGRAM.
Here is the probable scenario.
1. With her family's knowledge, Marguerite took Lee to New York for "mental testing".
2. The mental testing turned out to be a CIA operation to look for candidates to LEND
THEIR IDENTITY TO THE CIA for a FALSE DEFECTOR PROGRAM.
3. Marguerite, Robert and John Pic all considered this PATRIOTIC.
4. There was NO RISK to Lee; all he was doing was allowing his identity to be used.
5. This happened when Lee was 12 or 13 years old; he probably liked the intrigue of it...
his name being used by a spy being trained.
6. Marguerite likely received much needed compensation for doing this.
7. Armstrong documents how when Marguerite returns to Fort Worth, she began
buying real estate, though said to be destitute.
8. John Pic was first to say that there was a substitute for his half brother. A photo
of Harvey playing hookey at the Bronx Zoo during the New York stay Pic said was
not anyone he recognized.
9. Robert knew of the operation from the beginning, but did not meet HARVEY
until the Thanksgiving Reunion.
10. Lee and Harvey clearly knew each other according to Armstrong's timelines.
11. Ruth Paine was clearly the handler for both Lee and Harvey, and both of them
were involved in the JFK plot, though not witting that Harvey was to be the PATSY.
12. It was arranged that Harvey lived in a rooming house during the week, while
Lee lived at the Paine house.
13. Lee lived at the Paine house on weekends only; it is not known where Lee
lived on weekends.
14. It should be remembered that Marina said: I HAD TWO HUSBANDS, HARVEY
AND LEE.
(“I had two husbands: Lee, the father of my children, an affectionate and kind man;
and Harvey Oswald, the assassin of President Kennedy.”)
Jack[/quote]
The above reply indicates a lack of understanding of the FALSE DEFECTOR PROGRAM.
Here is the probable scenario.
==NOTE JACK CANNOT SAY THIS IS "THE SCENARIO". I HAVE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT
ACCOUNT FROM LEE H. OSWALD, AND I WILL EVENTUALLY BRING OUT DETAILS.==
1. With her family's knowledge, Marguerite took Lee to New York for "mental testing".
'FAMILY KNOWLEDGE'? WE HAVE JOHN PIC'S SHOCK THAT MARGUERITE SHOWS UP WITH
LEE AND SEEMS TO WANT TO STAY. MARGUERITE ELSEWHERE GIVES A MULTITUDE OF
REASONS WHY THEY WENT TO NEW YORK, ESPECIALLY WANTING LEE TO BE NEAR HIS
BROTHER.
2. The mental testing turned out to be a CIA operation to look for candidates to LEND
THEIR IDENTITY TO THE CIA for a FALSE DEFECTOR PROGRAM.
==THE "MENTAL TESTING" OCCURRED AT A YOUTH HOUSE, WHERE LEE WENT ONLY
AFTER MANY MONTHS OF TRUANCY. IT IS OBVIOUS THAT LEE DIDN'T ORIGINALLY GO
TO NEW YORK FOR TESTING.==
3. Marguerite, Robert and John Pic all considered this PATRIOTIC.
WHERE DO THEY SAY THAT TESTING LEE OSWALD IN A FACILITY FOR JUVENILE
DELINQUENTS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH PATRIOTISM? QUOTES, PLEASE.
4. There was NO RISK to Lee; all he was doing was allowing his identity to be used.
CITATIONS, PLEASE. FROM ANY SOURCE BUT WHITE AND ARMSTRONG.
5. This happened when Lee was 12 or 13 years old; he probably liked the intrigue of it...
his name being used by a spy being trained.
WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO LEE IS ALMOST AS EXCITING AS WHAT HAS
BEEN MADE UP HERE. HOW DID JOHN ARMSTRONG MISS CHARLES THOMAS?
PERHAPS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T SPEND NEARLY THREE YEARS SEARCHING FOR A
GERMAN-ACCENT CUSTOMS AGENT FROM NEW YORK WHO HAD ONCE LIVED IN MIAMI,
HAD TATTOOS ON HIS FINGERS, SPOKE FLUENT SPANISH, AND WAS MARRIED TO A
CHITIMACHA INDIAN WOMAN. WHO HAD PLENTY OF GOOD INFORMATION ABOUT
LEE IN NEW YORK, SOME OF WHICH I HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PROVE OCCURRED.
6. Marguerite likely received much needed compensation for doing this.
HOW LIKELY IS THAT? ARMSTRONG ALSO SAYS SHE SOLD HER HOUSE IN 1952.
7. Armstrong documents how when Marguerite returns to Fort Worth, she began
buying real estate, though said to be destitute.
SHE SOLD HER HOME IN 1952 AND OTHER THINGS OCCURRED, WHICH I CAN EXPLAIN.
8. John Pic was first to say that there was a substitute for his half brother. A photo
of Harvey playing hookey at the Bronx Zoo during the New York stay Pic said was
not anyone he recognized.
I HAVE ALREADY DEMONSTRATED THAT HE PHENOTYPE IS OSWALD. THE STRONG FAMILY
RESEMBLANCE IS UNMISTAKABLE. IF PIC COULD NOT RECOGNIZE THE PHOTO, WE MUST
NOTE THAT THE PHOTO ITSELF HAS BLACK SPOTS ON IT AROUND THE NOSE AND EYES,
WHICH DO NOT BELONG THERE.
9. Robert knew of the operation from the beginning, but did not meet HARVEY
until the Thanksgiving Reunion.
WHO TOLD HIM TO STAY MUM ABOUT 'HARVEY' WHEN 'HARVEY' SHOWED UP FROM RUSSIA? T
THE US GOVERNMENT? WHEN? BEFORE 'HARVEY' ARRIVED? WHAT ABOUT THE PHOTOS ON THE
WALL SHOWING BOTH 'LEE' AND 'HARVEY'? WHEN WAS ROBERT TOLD? WHO GAVE ROBERT THE
IMPERIAL REFLEX CAMERA BEFORE 'LEE' WENT TO RUSSIA?
IT'S TIME FOR A DNA TEST, PEOPLE. THIS IS TOO MUCH. WE HAVE TO HAVE TWO MARGUERITES
-- ONE OF WHOM VANISHES FOREVER. ARMSTRONG IS RELYING ON RECORDS WHEN LEE TOLD
ME PLAINLY THAT SOME RECORDS ABOUT HIM HAD BEEN FAKED. YOU MUST NEVER BELIEVE
EVERY RECORD YOU FIND ABOUT A FAKE DEFECTOR. LEE SAID HE HAD A WAY TO 'SLIP BACK
INTO SOCIETY' AS IF HE HAD NEVER LEFT DUE TO ALTERED RECORDS, SO HE COULD HAVE A
NORMAL LIFE AFTER HE LEFT THE AGENCY. HE TRIED TO LEAVE--THEY SAID HE COULD LEAVE
AFTER CHRISTMAS, 1963. THEY KEPT HIM HOPING. YOU CAN EVEN SEE [HIS OPTIMISM IN]
THAT IN THE THANKSGIVING MOVIE PHOTOS -- OR CORRECT ME, IF I AM WRONG, PLEASE.
10. Lee and Harvey clearly knew each other according to Armstrong's time lines.
OF COURSE THEY DID. THEY WERE ONE AND THE SAME PERSON.
11. Ruth Paine was clearly the handler for both Lee and Harvey, and both of them
were involved in the JFK plot, though not witting that Harvey was to be the PATSY.
RUTH PAINE'S HOSTILITY TOWARD LEE COULD NOT BE MORE OBVIOUS. WHEN HE CALLED FROM
JAIL ASKING HER TO CONTACT A LAWYER -- JOHN ABT OF NEW YORK -- FOR HIM, SHE FAILED
TO DO SO. SHE HAS CIA WRITTEN ALL OVER HER. WHAT SHE DID THE NIGHT OF NOV. 21 IS
TRULY SUSPICIOUS AND I HOPE TO ALERT EVERYONE TO READ HER ACCOUNT OF THAT NIGHT
VERY CAREFULLY.
SHE ALSO FOOLED LEE INTO THINKING SHE WAS GOING TO STAY WITH HIS WIFE WHEN MARINA
HAD HER SECOND CHILD, THEN JUST DROPPED POOR MARINA AT THE HOSPITAL AND RETURNED.
INFURIATING LEE WHO HAD STAYED BEHIND TO WATCH HER CHILDREN AND HIS DAUGHTER. HE
REFUSED TO SPEAK TO HER AND PRETENDED HE WAS ASLEEP WHEN HE HEARD HER CALL AND
FOUND OUT MARINA WAS OK AND HAD DELIVERED HER BABY ONLY AN HOUR OR SO AFTER BEING
DROPPED OFF TO HAVE THE BABY WITHOUT ANY RUSSIAN-SPEAKING PERSON PRESENT. THE
PAINES DID NOT CARE ONE HOOT ABOUT LEE, EITHER. HE WAS THEIR ASSIGNMENT. PERIOD.
12. It was arranged that Harvey lived in a rooming house during the week, while
Lee lived at the Paine house.
THIS IS THE MOST ABSURD OF ALL, AS LEE LOVED TO PLAY WITH THE KIDS THERE AND NEXT DOOR
AND THEY LOOKED FORWARD TO HIS VISITS. SO THEY BOTH SHARE MARINA, RIGHT?
13. Lee lived at the Paine house on weekends only; it is not known where Lee
lived on weekends.
BECAUSE HE WAS LEE H. OSWALD.
14. It should be remembered that Marina said: I HAD TWO HUSBANDS, HARVEY
AND LEE.
==SHE MEANT THAT THE WAY RUSSIANS ALWAYS SPEAK. A STUDY OF LINGUISTICS AND CULTURAL
ANTHROPOLOGY WOULD HELP A GREAT DEAL HERE. ONE MAN WAS A SPY, THE OTHER HER "WORKMAN
HUSBAND" WHO WAS A 'BOOKWORM' (HER WORDS). THE BAD JOB DONE ON LEE BY THE MORTICIAN
INCLUDED NOT INJECTING ENOUGH EMBALMING FLUID IN THE FACE, PUTTING ON TOO MUCH MAKEUP,
AND SEWING HIS LIPS TOO TIGHT. THE AUTOPSY PHOTOS ARE CLEARLY LEE.
POOR MARINA WAS IMPOSED UPON TO OPEN THE GRAVE AND HAVE HIM EXHUMED BECAUSE THE SCAR
LEE HAD HIDDEN UNDER HIS EAR TO HIDE HIS MASTOID OPERATION WAS NOT IN HE AUTOPSY. SURE
ENOUGH, THEY FOUND THE MASTOID BONE PROCESS BLUNTED BY HE OPERATION AND THE INFECTIONS.
THERE'S MORE, BUT THAT'S ENOUGH FOR NOW.==
(“I had two husbands: Lee, the father of my children, an affectionate and kind man;
and Harvey Oswald, the assassin of President Kennedy.”)
BECAUSE LEE'S ENEMIES PRESENTED TO HER A DICHOTOMOUS IMAGE. SHE KNEW THAT LEE WAS AN
AFFECTIONATE AND KIND MAN--HE HAD STOPPED MISTREATING HER AND WAS DECENT TO HER, EVEN
THOUGH HE ULTIMATELY PLANNED TO DIVORCE HER. HE LEFT HIS WEDDING RING BEHIND -- FOR GOOD
REASON, IF HE GOT OUT ALIVE, WE WOULD HAVE MET IN MEXICO....
MARINA SAID YEARS LATER SHE HAD BEEN PRESENTED MUCH FALSE INFORMATION AND HAD BEEN
PERSUADED THAT HER HUSBAND WAS THE ASSASSIN. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT MARINA OSWALD
WAS SLEEPING WITH TWO SEPARATE MEN. LET'S SEE THE LIST [ACCORDING TO JOHN ARMSTRONG]:
1) TWO MARGUERITES -- ONE VANISHES
2) TWO OSWALDS -- ONE VANISHES
3) ROBERT OSWALD KNOWS BUT NEVER TELLS
4) RUTH PAINE KNOWS BUT NEVER TELLS HER SHE HATES ALL THAT LAUNDRY IN HER SMALL HOME
WHERE 'LEE' MUST SLEEP ON THE COUCH OR WITH MARINA ALL WEEK!
5) MICHAEL PAINE ALSO KNOWS BUT DOESN'T TELL
7) DO WE EVER HAVE ANOTHER CASE OF A SPY "DUAL PAIR" IDENTITY FROM CHILDHOOD KNOWN IN
THE RECORDS LATER THAN LEE OSWALD "LEE" AND "HARVEY"?
8) WHY HASN'T A SINGLE PERSON INVOLVED IN THIS COMPLEX SCENARIO EVER LEAKED A WORD?
THEY'RE STILL ALIVE, TOO. DID ARMSTRONG EVER ASK ANY OF THEM, FACE TO FACE? CAN WE SEE
THOSE INTERVIEWS WHERE HE ASKED THEM?
AND,
9) FINALLY, JAMES OLMSTEAD TELLS US:
From: James K. Olmstead
Subject: Re: Harvey & Lee by John Armstrong
Newsgroups: alt.assassination.jfk
Date: 2003-11-12 14:31:11 PST
Harvey: You seem to be well versed in Armstrong's work so I would like to ask you a question
concerning the need to provide the "youth" with a new identity (Oswald's).
>From your first post
"HARVEY & LEE: HOW THE CIA FRAMED OSWALD" by John Armstrong
Two young boys, AMERICAN-BORN Lee Oswald and an eastern European refugee who spoke Russian
and was given the name "Harvey Oswald," were selected by the CIA for inclusion in a super-secret
project known as MK/ULTRA in the early 1950s. The plan was to merge the identity of the two over
a period of years and then, if successful, to place the Russian-speaking refugee with an American
identity into the Soviet Union as a spy.
Several years ago.....when Jack White was pushing the work of Armstrong I asked this same question
with no answer..... perhaps you can address the issue.
OLMSTEAD REPLIES:
First, there was no need to adopt the identity of Lee Harvey Oswald to provide a "new cover" for the
"refugee". Under Title 10 USC Subtitle C-Navy and Marine Corps Chapter 537, sec 5532 and 5533,
once the "refugee" was 14 years of age, he could enlist in the service under Sec 5533.
If there was no birth certificate for the young boy...the enlisting officer only had to "confirm" that
this individual was who he said he was. It was quite simple to give somebody a new name and a new
life...without involvement of "another". This law was changed after 1964......but was in effect during
the 1948-1964 period.
Why go through all the "trouble"...when things could be done quickly and legally as well as "deep undercover"?
jko
Jack
JVB
[quote name='Jack White' post='188037' date='Mar 28 2010, 03:06 AM']The above reply indicates a lack of understanding of the FALSE DEFECTOR PROGRAM.
Here is the probable scenario.
1. With her family's knowledge, Marguerite took Lee to New York for "mental testing".
2. The mental testing turned out to be a CIA operation to look for candidates to LEND
THEIR IDENTITY TO THE CIA for a FALSE DEFECTOR PROGRAM.
3. Marguerite, Robert and John Pic all considered this PATRIOTIC.
4. There was NO RISK to Lee; all he was doing was allowing his identity to be used.
5. This happened when Lee was 12 or 13 years old; he probably liked the intrigue of it...
his name being used by a spy being trained.
6. Marguerite likely received much needed compensation for doing this.
7. Armstrong documents how when Marguerite returns to Fort Worth, she began
buying real estate, though said to be destitute.
8. John Pic was first to say that there was a substitute for his half brother. A photo
of Harvey playing hookey at the Bronx Zoo during the New York stay Pic said was
not anyone he recognized.
9. Robert knew of the operation from the beginning, but did not meet HARVEY
until the Thanksgiving Reunion.
10. Lee and Harvey clearly knew each other according to Armstrong's timelines.
11. Ruth Paine was clearly the handler for both Lee and Harvey, and both of them
were involved in the JFK plot, though not witting that Harvey was to be the PATSY.
12. It was arranged that Harvey lived in a rooming house during the week, while
Lee lived at the Paine house.
13. Lee lived at the Paine house on weekends only; it is not known where Lee
lived on weekends.
14. It should be remembered that Marina said: I HAD TWO HUSBANDS, HARVEY
AND LEE.
(“I had two husbands: Lee, the father of my children, an affectionate and kind man;
and Harvey Oswald, the assassin of President Kennedy.”)
Jack[/quote]