Bloody Treason: The Assassination of John F. Kennedy

[Kenneth Kapel]

What did Ruby have to do with Lansky. Did Lansky run the Chicago mob ? Did Lansky or the Chicago mob take over the Dallas rackets in 1947 ?

[Mark Stapleton]

Mark, you are either highly misinformed or too busy constantly looking under your 'bed' for 'Jooooooz' to pay attention.... Jack Ruby was the Dallas contact for the Chicago Mafia and he knew well and worked with other Mafia regions/bosses - but his primary connection was to Chicago and this has been well established. He was a practicing Jew, who went to Temple only on high holy days, to my knowledge, but he was friends and business partners with a hell of a lot of [AND MOSTLY] Christians [Protestant, Catholic, Mormon and 'other']. NB - Most of the Mafia were Catholic, fewer other Christian denominations; yes there was also a Jewish group, but minor in number. While I've not investigated [read: bothered] to find out if Ruby was a Zionist, it would have no bearing on what his role was in Dallas, in history, or in his own personal life. American Jews are greatly divided [and have been since I've been around - a long time now] about Zionism as either a good or not a good thing. It has NOTHING to do with Ruby's actions, reactions, use in the plot [in which most of his contacts and controllers were Christian!]...it is IMO a ridiculous and dead-end or diversionary pursuit to even 'go there'...

Ruby was sent to Dallas from Chicago in 1947 as an organised crime posting.

But the real boss of the Chicago underworld was Hyman Larner (perhaps Lamer). He might have been a contact for Mafia groups throughout the US, but Ruby wasn't Mafia. He was Jewish so he couldn't have been. It's like saying Meyer Lansky, Waxey Gordon or Mickey Cohen were Mafia. The Italian, Irish and Jewish mobs all had separate outfits with their own structures and heirarchy. The big bosses in the Jewish underworld didn't take orders from guys like Giancana and Roselli. That's ridiculous.

Ruby was owned by the Jewish underworld. He was their boy.

[Mark Stapleton]

Organized Crime in America is, in many significant respects, as much a creation of Jews as Italians.

The CIA is a tool created and operated by Yankees and Cowboys.

Ruby worked for Capone and Giancana.

Morales worked for Dulles.

Among others -- knowingly or not.

Might it not be reasonable to conclude that an Italian Mafioso would choose a Jew to commit the penultimate high-profile murder of the century in order to deflect guilt?

Jews sending a Jew to kill LHO makes as much sense as LBJ "masterminding" a JFK hit in Dallas.

For the record, and for the first time: I do not exclude Italians, Italian-Americans, Jews, and Jewish-Americans from my lists of Facilitator and Mechanic suspects in the JFK conspiracy.

That Italian-American Mafiosi were assassination Facilitators is beyond dispute.

That Jack Ruby, a Jewish-American, was an assassination Facilitator and Mechanic is beyond dispute.

The conclusions that Italy and Israel must therefore be assassination Sponsors, if based solely on these facts, are wholly unjustifiable.

Ruby was a Jewish mobster. He was never a member of the Mafia.

[Mark Stapleton]

The conclusions that Italy and Israel must therefore be assassination Sponsors, if based solely on these facts, are wholly unjustifiable.

Some of your 'facts' are highly questionable.

And who said anything about Italy being a sponsor? That's ridiculous.

[Kenneth Kapel]

!Hy Larmer ! According to James Ragen the Racing Wire Czar the real honchos of the Chicago mob were Henry Crown & Conrad Hilton. Ragen did this in 1946, if Ragen is correct then you are saying that Hy Larmer was more of an influence on the Chicago rackets than Henry Crown who onwed the Empire State Buliding (twice), and had an the largest stock holder interest in General Dynamics in 1963 and whose family is/and are billionaires, and are major Barack Obama supporters since, at least 2003, Boy that is sure a lot to digest.

[Greg Burnham]

Ken,

Are you certain that Henry Crown was the largest stock holder in General Dynamics in 1963? If so, how do you know? Who or what is your source?

If true, this is significant.

Thanks--

[Kenneth Kapel]

Professor Peter Dale Scott has written concerning this fact in many of his essays & books on the subject of Deep Politics, according to the Professor Henry Crown owned about 25% of General Dynamics and the Crown family held over 45% of the company's stock. I wanted to post a reply as soon as I could, so I don't have the exact book and page number available. In a day or two I will post verification. My bookshelves are a mess. In a day or two at the lattest.

[Greg Burnham]

Professor Peter Dale Scott has written concerning this fact in many of his essays & books on the subject of Deep Politics, according to the Professor Hebry Crown owned about 25% of General Dynamics and the Crown family helped over 45% of the company's stock. I wanted to post a reply as soon as I could, so I don't have the exact book and page number available. In a day or two I will post verification. My bookshelves are a mess. In a day or two at the lattest.

Thanks for your prompt reply. No worries, no need to search it down. I can perhaps find it myself. I just don't remember having read it before. Thanks again--

[Magda Hassan]

The conclusions that Italy and Israel must therefore be assassination Sponsors, if based solely on these facts, are wholly unjustifiable.

Some of your 'facts' are highly questionable.

And who said anything about Italy being a sponsor? That's ridiculous.

Yes, just as ridiculous as Israel being the sponsor.

[Charles Drago]

The conclusions that Italy and Israel must therefore be assassination Sponsors, if based solely on these facts, are wholly unjustifiable.

Some of your 'facts' are highly questionable.

And who said anything about Italy being a sponsor? That's ridiculous.

Yes, just as ridiculous as Israel being the sponsor.

You get it, Magda. Thank you.