RFK Jr SPEAKS ABOUT JFK ASSASSINATION DURING CHARLIE ROSE INTERVIEW

[Adele Edisen]

Robert Kennedy, Sr., was pretty quick to react to the event of his brother's death. He called John McCone, Director of the CIA (after Allen Fulles), and asked him, "Did you kill my brother?" He also called another CIA employee whom he had befriended before and asked the same question. Sorry that I cannot recall if he did this after the assassination of John Kennedy or after Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald on Sunday, November 24, 1963.

If it was the latter, it would suggest that he knew who or what Oswald was. In either case, Robert Kennedy was highly suspicious of elements of the Central Intelligence Agency being involved in the aassassination of John Kennedy.

Adele

[Bill Kelly]

Oswald and Ruby Phone Records RFK, Jr. Got It Right
By William E. Kelly, Jr.

Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. set off a firestorm of media andcritical reaction after being interviewed in a public program at the WinspearOpera House in Dallas bysaying that neither he nor his father believed that a "lone-gunman" killedPresident Kennedy.

Interviewed by Charlie Rose, Kennedy was also quoted assaying, "…When they examined Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald's phonerecords,…they saw…an inventory of the Mafia leaders that they had beeninvestigating…"

A former aide to Robert F. Kennedy, Paul Schrade, who waswounded in the same barrage of bullets that killed RFK, asked if the tape willbe aired or a transcript of it released and they said they are waiting forpermission from Kennedy and Charlie Rose. In the meantime, we are left with thequotes attributed to those who were there in the audience. Rodger Jones, aneditorial writer for the Dallas News, in an apparent attempt to put thecomplete interview in context, wrote:

"RFK Jr.'s assassination narrative began with an anecdoteabout his dad seeing New Orleans DA Jim Garrison's photo on a newsstand andasking an aide if there was anything to Garrison's theories about the CIA, Cuba andMafia in his brother's killing. RFK Jr. said his dad was told that Garrison wason to something, but the specifics of Garrison's investigation went on thewrong track, but he thought there was a link …' Kennedy said his dad putinvestigators on it. When they examined Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald's phonerecords,… they saw what was essentially an inventory of the Mafia leaders thatthey had been investigating for the past two years at the Justice Department."

In response Jean Davison, and others, including Gary Mackand John McAdams, have questioned Kennedy's facts, evidence and reasoning.While Mack said he believes that Betsy Lewis' condescending version of theOpera House event is better (See: Dallas Observer, Jan. 12; "Not Even CharlieRose Could Rein in RFK, Jr. in Dallas Last Night.") and McAdams calls Kennedy a"crackpot" for his silly beliefs on other subjects, Davison gives a morereasoned response. As the author of the book "Oswald's Game," whichattempts to portray Oswald as the lone assassin, she is known as a meticulousresearcher and accurate writer, but one who comes to an unpopular and wrongconclusion concerning Oswald's singular guilt.

Davison correctly notes: "This stood out to me: ...phonerecords of Oswald ... 'were like an inventory' of mafia leaders...' Ofcourse,…Oswald had no phone records since he never had a phone. Anyone canbelieve in a conspiracy, but where is the evidence? If Robert Kennedy hadinvestigators do research into the assassination,' are Ruby's phone records (orOswald's nonexistent ones) really the best they could come up with?...beliefisn't evidence, is it?"

Belief isn't evidence, but telephone records are evidence,hard evidence that can be introduced in a court of law, and the fact that thereare no telephone records of the alleged assassin of the President certainlysupports the contention that the Warren Commission investigation was, inKennedy's words, "a shoddy piece of craftsmanship."

While the phone records aren't the best evidence ofconspiracy and Oswald may not have had his own telephone, he certainly did maketelephone calls, including suspicious calls worthy of further examination, andthere is substantial documentation to support this.

And we do have Jack Ruby's extensive telephone records thatclearly show in the weeks leading up to the assassination he had telephoneconversations with a number of mobsters who were being actively investigated byRobert F. Kennedy's Justice Department...

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[Adele Edisen]

Tue, January 15, 2013 9:10:35 PM
RFK Jr Revelations reported on NBC - 14 January 2013 - YouTube
From: Tree Frog

NBC this morning reports that the JFK assassination is back in mainstream discussion--

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Peroa97Leh4

or

http://tinyurl.com/a26zj9j


Adele

Happy Day! It's now on Mainstream News!

[Adele Edisen]

From Lauren Johnson's post #10 on page 1:

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. creates a story with legs'

RFK Jr. said that his father "was fairly convinced at the end of that that there had been involvement by somebody," to which Rose replied, "Organized crime, Cubans?"

"Or rogue CIA," RFK Jr. said.

In early December, 1963, less than one month after the assassination of John Kennedy, Robert Kennedy, Sr., and Jackie Kennedy asked William Walton,
an artist and family friend who was going to Moscow to attend a meeting of artists there to look up a KGB agent (Georgi Bolshokov) RFK knew from the
Russian Embassy in the US to whom he had given John Kennedy's messages for Khrushchev. Walton was to ask him what the Russians thought about
the JFK assassination. As I recalled it from the book ONE HELL OF A GAMBLE (by Aleksandr Fursenko and Timothy Naftali, 1997), Walton was told that
the Russians believed it had been a right-wing conspiracy plot, and this was relayed back to RFK and Jackie.

According to Jim Douglass' book (JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE, pp. 377-380, softcover edition), Robert Kennedy and Jackie Kennedy wanted to send a message
to Khrushchev and the Soviets that they believed the assassination was not a communist plot, but a domestic conspiracy by right-wing extremists. They were
curious as to what the Soviets thought about the assassination and they weren't satisfied with the explanations they were given by US investigators. It seemed
that they trusted the Soviets more than the CIA and other US agencies on this matter. Jim DiEugenio also describes this trip by the painter, William Walton in
his new book, DESTINY BETRAYED.

And one has to admit that the "Oswald did it alone" with the single Magic Bullet and a head shot from the back of the head which exited from the forehead
(two bullets in toto) was a pretty ridiculous idea. And a smart guy like Robert Kennedy and even Jackie herself who scrambled onto the trunk of the limousine
to collect a part of JFK's brain, probably had plenty of questions about the official story. In fact, I remember Jackie saying she did not want to change from her
blood-stained pink suit because she wanted "them to see what they had done" or words to that effect, using the plural terms.

They also wanted to convey to Khrushchev and the Soviets that there would be basic changes in the US policies from those of President Kennedy under the
administration of President Lyndon Johnson. They also asked William Walton to tell the Soviets that Robert Kennedy was planning to make some political
moves so that he could be in a position eventually to run for the presidency and carry on John Kennedy's policies. I think this early reaction and move by
Robert Kennedy is very important, and it shows that he knew almost immediately after the assassination of his brother who was responsible, in general, for
his bother's death. Not until he was president could he do much about it. In all likelihood his children were also told. I think that John F. Kennedy, Jr., the
son of JFK, also knew because he published articles in his magazine, George, which spole out about similar assassinations, one in Israel, and an article by
Oliver Stone on historic assassinations.

Adele

[Peter Lemkin]

Robert Kennedy, Sr., was pretty quick to react to the event of his brother's death. He called John McCone, Director of the CIA (after Allen Dulles), and asked him, "Did you kill my brother?" He also called another CIA employee whom he had befriended before and asked the same question. Sorry that I cannot recall if he did this after the assassination of John Kennedy or after Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald on Sunday, November 24, 1963.

If it was the latter, it would suggest that he knew who or what Oswald was. In either case, Robert Kennedy was highly suspicious of elements of the Central Intelligence Agency being involved in the aassassination of John Kennedy.

Adele

Its complex, I believe Mellon wrote about it [as have a few others], but RFK knew of [and had some of his own ops ongoing which distantly involved Oswald before the assassination] - just another reason the conspirators chose Oswald....as it made RFK speaking up all but totally compromised. Adele, without searching through notes or references, I believe it was the following day that RFK asked that question of McCone. It is known that RFK did his own investigation of his brother's death and found not only the basic truths, but how he [RFK] had been compromised in many ways from speaking out. The plan from the beginning was to eliminate RFK if he spoke out or didn't just go into the 'wilderness'. They carried it out when he was about to win as President.....as we all know....with a mind-control patsy and a magic show with the real assassins and destruction of evidence along with obstruction of justice.

[Adele Edisen]

Robert Kennedy, Sr., was pretty quick to react to the event of his brother's death. He called John McCone, Director of the CIA (after Allen Dulles), and asked him, "Did you kill my brother?" He also called another CIA employee whom he had befriended before and asked the same question. Sorry that I cannot recall if he did this after the assassination of John Kennedy or after Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald on Sunday, November 24, 1963.

If it was the latter, it would suggest that he knew who or what Oswald was. In either case, Robert Kennedy was highly suspicious of elements of the Central Intelligence Agency being involved in the aassassination of John Kennedy.

Adele

Its complex, I believe Mellon wrote about it [as have a few others], but RFK knew of [and had some of his own ops ongoing which distantly involved Oswald before the assassination] - just another reason the conspirators chose Oswald....as it made RFK speaking up all but totally compromised. Adele, without searching through notes or references, I believe it was the following day that RFK asked that question of McCone. It is known that RFK did his own investigation of his brother's death and found not only the basic truths, but how he [RFK] had been compromised in many ways from speaking out. The plan from the beginning was to eliminate RFK if he spoke out or didn't just go into the 'wilderness'. They carried it out when he was about to win as President.....as we all know....with a mind-control patsy and a magic show with the real assassins and destruction of evidence along with obstruction of justice.

Peter, I do think you are correct about when Robert Kennedy asked McCone that question - it was after he had the news of Oswald being shot. He had been in charge of the Mongoose Operation and probably had befriended CIA agents who told him "stuff". He also asked such a CIA friend the same type of question he had asked of John McCone. What's interesting about all this was that he immediately zeroed in on the CIA. The killing of Oswald certainly suggested that there had been a conspiracy and Oswald had to be eliminated before he would talk or have a trial. Chief Curry of the Dallas Police said he would not have been found guilty of killing the President if he had had a trial (lack of evidence - no nitrate on his cheek, as one major reason).

Robert Kennedy did speak out and had a pretty good idea of those responsible, but he did not speak out, for obvious reasons, in the US. He couldn't trust the Government agencies.
However, he spoke out to the Soviets though a very close and trusted friend, William Walton. See my post above, No. 14. I feel sure that between the time of his brother's death and his own he was engaged in quiet investigations, but could not say or do much until he was president. He also became the strongest enemy of the conpirators who now had to eliminate him before he could get to them. I don't get much satisfaction out of the ideas that he could have been compromised because of what he himself might have done. I don't doubt that he had a lot of enemies in the business of organized crime, but that would not keep him from speaking out; after all, he had been the Attorney General and they were the criminals..

Adele

[Peter Lemkin]

Robert Kennedy, Sr., was pretty quick to react to the event of his brother's death. He called John McCone, Director of the CIA (after Allen Dulles), and asked him, "Did you kill my brother?" He also called another CIA employee whom he had befriended before and asked the same question. Sorry that I cannot recall if he did this after the assassination of John Kennedy or after Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald on Sunday, November 24, 1963.

If it was the latter, it would suggest that he knew who or what Oswald was. In either case, Robert Kennedy was highly suspicious of elements of the Central Intelligence Agency being involved in the aassassination of John Kennedy.

Adele

Its complex, I believe Mellon wrote about it [as have a few others], but RFK knew of [and had some of his own ops ongoing which distantly involved Oswald before the assassination] - just another reason the conspirators chose Oswald....as it made RFK speaking up all but totally compromised. Adele, without searching through notes or references, I believe it was the following day that RFK asked that question of McCone. It is known that RFK did his own investigation of his brother's death and found not only the basic truths, but how he [RFK] had been compromised in many ways from speaking out. The plan from the beginning was to eliminate RFK if he spoke out or didn't just go into the 'wilderness'. They carried it out when he was about to win as President.....as we all know....with a mind-control patsy and a magic show with the real assassins and destruction of evidence along with obstruction of justice.

Peter, I do think you are correct about when Robert Kennedy asked McCone that question - it was after he had the news of Oswald being shot. He had been in charge of the Mongoose Operation and probably had befriended CIA agents who told him "stuff". He also asked such a CIA friend the same type of question he had asked of John McCone. What's interesting about all this was that he immediately zeroed in on the CIA. The killing of Oswald certainly suggested that there had been a conspiracy and Oswald had to be eliminated before he would talk or have a trial. Chief Curry of the Dallas Police said he would not have been found guilty of killing the President if he had had a trial (lack of evidence - no nitrate on his cheek, as one major reason).

Robert Kennedy did speak out and had a pretty good idea of those responsible, but he did not speak out, for obvious reasons, in the US. He couldn't trust the Government agencies.
However, he spoke out to the Soviets though a very close and trusted friend, William Walton. See my post above, No. 14. I feel sure that between the time of his brother's death and his own he was engaged in quiet investigations, but could not say or do much until he was president. He also became the strongest enemy of the conspirators who now had to eliminate him before he could get to them. I don't get much satisfaction out of the ideas that he could have been compromised because of what he himself might have done. I don't doubt that he had a lot of enemies in the business of organized crime, but that would not keep him from speaking out; after all, he had been the Attorney General and they were the criminals..

Adele

Again, very complex and I didn't necessarily mean to say that things RFK had 'done' compromised him ipso facto; however, he was involved more than his brother in some less that savory things vis-a-vis Castro/Cuba and some of the persons being used were both used by RFK and his group and the group that was planning to kill Camelot and JFK....thus, the entrapment....if he pointed at them; they could turn it around...this was all pre-arranged. RFK even said that he felt only the powers of the Presidency would enable him to get justice for his brother and prosecute those who did it [I think he had a VERY GOOD idea!]....so they killed him, before he put them in prison for treason for life.

[Adele Edisen]

Peter,

In a sense the entire Kennedy clan was compromised, if you eally want to think in those terms. But Robert Kennedy, Sr., was already active, within his other responsibilities and running for political office as I have tried to point out. The entire clan was being watched. Why do you think Jackie wanted to get herself and her childen out of the United States by marrying that Greek? They all had to be careful. But the presidential office would have given Robert Kennedy the power he needed to not only do the work of justice for his brother but also to restore policies of peace. The National Security State had to prevent that and the only way they could do that was by murdering him, not by "compromising" or "entrapping" him. If they had that kind of information on him as you suggest, they could have easily prevented him from becoming president without killing him.

Adele