Despite the tampering, after the fact, with the Z-film it still clearly shows conspiracy! Further, it shows that the official version, pushed by the Government and their minions, is false and was known to be false.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Bill Kelly Wrote:Doesn't anyone want to discuss the fact that the Director of the CIA told RFK he thought there were two people involved in the shooting?
Yeah, I do. This scares me because it makes you wonder how much of Fetzer's film forgery claim is correct? It begs the question what exactly did Lundal and McCone see that made them determine that? Was it the backwards movement or was it JFK's brains blowing back on to the trunk that was then altered and removed at CIA? This gives me the creeps because it opens the door to the skull flap possibly being forged-in. The reason it makes my skin crawl is because it creates the possibility, like Fetzer says, of the Zapruder Film being deliberately designed in advance in order to support pre-determined film-forgeries of wounds. Particularly, the skull flap wound. The reason this is extra creepy is because if the Parkland wounds are accurate and the parietal area, witnessed as being intact by the nurse, was undamaged that means it is possible the skull flap wound seen bursting open in Zapruder is a forgery. And if it is a forgery it makes you ask where in God's name did CIA get the film clip of a man's head being blasted open? Whose head was that and where was it shot and by whom? Of course the skull flap could still be JFK's and only the rear wound was altered.
God help anyone who references Fetzer now, but in this one case he might be right. Which only proves the biggest casualty of Fetzer's recent bizarre claims is Fetzer's own previous credible claims.
Fetzer's version of Zapruder alteration, with a pre-shoot - grisly pun intended - is fantastic nonsense.
For a much more credible and achievable version of Zapruder alteration, see the thread here.
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:Despite the tampering, after the fact, with the Z-film it still clearly shows conspiracy! Further, it shows that the official version, pushed by the Government and their minions, is false and was known to be false.
I would add that the discovery of Z-film alteration not only was inevitable; it was part of the plan.
If we didn't discover alteration, it would have been "discovered" for us.
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:It doesn't mean that at all Albert.
Anyone who watches the film the first time without introduction thinks that way.
When millions saw it on TV, that was the reaction. I mean it was like an electric current went off underground.
Same as when it was in Stone's film to a new generation.
So when analysts first saw the film that night, yeah that was the reaction.
Further, in Don Adams' book, one of the gems in it is his first reaction upon seeing the film in Dallas with other FBI agents. When they walked out of the screening, he said, its obvious that he was hit by two different snipers. They said, well yeah, we all know that. But that is not what the Director wants us to say.
Same thing when Sprague's HSCA saw the film. LJ Delsa said it had to be two directions and two different calibre weapons due to the two reactions.
Because the other side has come up with so many excuses and rationalizations--Alvarez and the jet effect, Sturdivan and the neuromuscular reaction--people forget how powerful the film is as evidence. It proves conspiracy in at least four different ways.
But that's not enough for some people.
I don't disagree. However if the film is altered it leaves people trying to figure-out what happened treading water as far as having anything solid by which to make any determination. Which was probably their purpose. I used to give Devil's Advocate possibility to the shots shown in Zapruder but now understand the evidence is so deeply corrupted that frontal shots are being hidden. What this all comes down to is was the skull flap area undamaged at Parkland or was it miraculously pushed back in place by Jackie?
By the way, Paul Baker is an ignorable ass who isn't giving honest recognition to the facts.
Albert Doyle Wrote:However if the film is altered it leaves people trying to figure-out what happened treading water as far as having anything solid by which to make any determination.
WHAT???
This Three Mile Island of a sentence seems intended to invite the inference that it was written by the "Albert Doyle" of the moment -- as opposed to the "Albert Doyle" who authored previously alluded to long, relatively eloquent posts -- to stir the agent provocateur pot once again.
Two shooters. Two (or more) "Doyle" posters.
Who besides Messrs. Burnham and Josephs joins me in expressing outrage over this ongoing provocation?
And it gets worse:
Albert Doyle Wrote:By the way, Paul Baker is an ignorable ass who isn't giving honest recognition to the facts.
This is a reference by "Doyle" to an EF denizen -- an addled LNer who kisses the inverted crucifixes of McAdams and Rahn. Either "Doyle" is simply copying and pasting "his" EF drivel, or "his" intentions are to draw attention to Baker and rekindle old hostilities.
Many doubts arose for me in the 1970s, the first time I ever had the chance to examine the Paley preserved version that Jim Garrison held for a while. OK copies there of.
Missing people from compared films/photos and such made me suspicious long ago. Differences from sworn testimony also built upon the thing.
I have never seen any other film but versions of the released endorsed one.
However I know other versions exist because someone I know would not lie described another one to me in the 1980s.
From that day forward this issue is to me closed. The film Groden and Gregory brought to us through no fault of their own efforts is false. All Time-Life Z clips are junk for truth.
Have no doubt about the following though, I do greatly hope others can provide the proof to blow open the lies attending Zap and his friends.
One could expand and specify, but those in the know here can fill in the 'blanks' themselves. I'd simply say that two pieces of falsified evidence [of many more], the Z-Film and the Backyard Photos, do retain, despite having been grossly tampered with [as well as other issues of set-up and presentation et al.] both bits of reality and, more importantly, can inform someone with sophisticated knowledge of the slight of hand performed on the Dallas DP and adjacent stages on 11/22/63 some REAL and usable information......starting with proof that evidence was fabricated and tampered with.....and on to more. Granted, neither should be admissible in Court...but there never will be another anyway...except the Court of Public Opinion. :wirlitzer:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
Jim Hackett II Wrote:Many doubts arose for me in the 1970s, the first time I ever had the chance to examine the Paley preserved version that Jim Garrison held for a while. OK copies there of.
Missing people from compared films/photos and such made me suspicious long ago. Differences from sworn testimony also built upon the thing.
I have never seen any other film but versions of the released endorsed one.
However I know other versions exist because someone I know would not lie described another one to me in the 1980s.
From that day forward this issue is to me closed. The film Groden and Gregory brought to us through no fault of their own efforts is false. All Time-Life Z clips are junk for truth.
Have no doubt about the following though, I do greatly hope others can provide the proof to blow open the lies attending Zap and his friends.
Jim
The evidence, the proof to blow it open, is, imo, all there and easily described. Interpreted is more of a problem...
Attached are a few tables I used to try and trace the locations of the films... If you can help clarify the info here I believe we will find the copy of the original (imo #0184)
and how the rest of the films were switched, where and when... IMO Max Phillips' letter to Rowley gives ALOT away.
My questions... WHERE are the home movies from side A?
and Didn't Zap KEEP a copy and the original on the 22nd with the copy being shown to Stolley on the 23rd?
If Zap has 2 films, Sorrels has 2 films and another is sent to Rowley (who originated CE399 by giving it to Toss imo)
When were there 5 total films produced?
DJ
CD - 87 Folder 1
CO2 34030 11/22
9:55
To: Chief Rowley
From: Max D. Phillips
Subject: 8mm movie film showing President
Kennedy being shot
Enclosed is an 8mm movie film
taken by Mr. A. Zapruder, 501 Elm St., Dallas
Texas (RI8-6071)
Mr.. Zapruder was photographing
the President at the instant he was shot.
According to Mr. Zapruder, the position of
the assassin was behind Mr. Zapruder.
Note: Disregard personnelscenes
shown on Mr. Zapruder's film.. Mr. Zapruder
is in custody of the "master" film. Two prints
were given to SAIC Sorrels, this date.
The third print is forwarded.
