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CIA Director Told RFK There Were Two Shooters
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CIA Director told RFK"there were two people involved in the shooting."

JFKcountercoup: CIA Director told RFK Two People Shooting at JFK


In Dallas on the night of the assassination, one copy of the Zapruder film of the assassination of President Kennedy was hand delivered to the Grand Prarie Naval Air Station where a jet pilot flew it to Washington D.C.

The film was taken to Secret Service headquarters where it was viewed, but since the Secret Service wasn't in the business of analyzing films, two Secret Service agents took the film to the National Photo Interpretation Center (NPIC) at the Navy Yard where it was turned over to Dino Brugioni. Brugioni's team analyzed it and made still blow ups of select individual frames that were mounted on briefing boards. They worked on the film throughout the night and in the morning the director of the NPIC, Art Lundal, took the briefing boards to the CIA Headquarters.

Lundal's October 1962 briefing to JFK on U2 photo evidence of Soviet missiles in Cuba set off the Cuban Missile Crisis. Kennedy was so impressed with Lundal's briefing he sent Lundal to London and Paris to brief the US Ambasador (David Bruce), the Prime Minister and French president Charles DeGaul. The content of Lundal's briefing to CIA director John McCone is unkown, but it ostensibly was based on the NPIC analysis of the Zapruder film and the reports of the Secret Service agents who witnessed the assassination.

But when McCone went to the White House to brief the President, not only on the assassination but on international affairs, he found LBJ in the basement Situation Room monitoring reports from Dallas. When LBJ saw McCone, he waved him off, he didn't need to know anything the CIA had to say about the assassination or anything else.

Brugioni wrote: "McCone found Lyndon Johnson colorless and crude in intelligence matters and, as president, clumsy and heavy-handed in international affairs. Instead of personally carefully considering prepared intelligence memorandums on intelligence matters, he preferred to be briefed by trusted advisors. Increasingly, the president sought intelligence informationalmost exclusively from Secretary McNamara and the Defense Department. McCone's advice simply was no longer actively sought by the president. His role diminished, his influence faded, and the ready access he had enjoyed during the Kennedy administration became very limited…"

While LBJ wasn't interested in what the CIA had to say about the assassination, Robert F. Kennedy was interested, and a few weeks later, on December 9, RFK crossed paths with Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr.,a close aide and advisor to President Kennedy. When Kennedy's casket was moved from the White House to the Capitol for the state funeral, RFK asked Schlesinger if the casket should be opened or closed. Schlesinger looked at the dead president's lifeless body and waxed face and said it should be closed, and RFK agreed.

When they met on December 9[SUP]th[/SUP], Schlesinger asked RFK what he thought about the assassination, and in his journal Schlesinger wrote: "I asked him, perhaps tactlessly about Oswald. He said there could be no serious doubt that he was guilty, but there still was argument whether he did it by himself or as a part of a larger plot, whether organized by Castro or by gangsters. He said the FBI people thought he had done it by himself, but that McCone thought there were two people involved in the shooting." (published in 2007 as Journals 1952-2000 (Penguin Press, Diary entry December 9, 1963 page 184),

That the Director of the CIA would tell the Attorney General he thought "there were two people involved in the shooting," was not just a belief or an opinion, but was a determination based on the NPIC analysis of the Zapruder film and the reports of the Secret Service agents that witnessed the assassination who said that the President and Governor Connally were hit by separate shots, which indicated there was more than one gunman.
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Quote:That the Director of the CIA would tell the Attorney General he thought "there were two people involved in the shooting," was not just a belief or an opinion, but was a determination based on the NPIC analysis of the Zapruder film and the reports of the Secret Service agents that witnessed the assassination who said that the President and Governor Connally were hit by separate shots, which indicated there was more than one gunman.

Important stuff, Bill!.....problem is we never saw it and WILL NEVER SEE IT in the NYT et al.! [i.e. only those of us who read the details of this unbelievably complex case and even more complex cover-up, will likely ever know this and so many other details]. It is interesting, however, that despite knowing few of the details, most Americans instinctively do NOT believe the official version, which is all lies...all lies...the only correct part might be the date and time of the assassination.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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I think the magic bullet would be more of a determiner of two separate shots on JFK and Connally than the Zapruder Film.
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Albert Doyle Wrote:I think the magic bullet would be more of a determiner of two separate shots on JFK and Connally than the Zapruder Film.

I must admit, my first and current reaction to the post above is one of a high likelihood of purposeful doublespeak......Kindly clarify what the **** you mean with those tortured few words. As I read it [short of an explanation], this is meant to confuse and confound/disguise and not to clarify/enlighten nor support anything but the official Big Lie....even if crafted to look otherwise.....though I could be mis-reading what was meant.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#5
It should be fairly obvious. Since the nearly pristine magic bullet is impossible according to not only the wounds it allegedly caused but also according to military ballistics experts it is a much easier way to show two separate shots than the Zapruder Film.
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Albert Doyle Wrote:It should be fairly obvious. Since the nearly pristine magic bullet is impossible according to not only the wounds it allegedly caused but also according to military ballistics experts it is a much easier way to show two separate shots than the Zapruder Film.

and this absolute mess of a sentence is supposed to be the same person that posted this: ??
This is beyond absurd.... or maybe his 8 year old snuck in and started posting for him?

sorry if I'm Deadhorse

crazy
DJ


In my last post I pointed-out that David missed the entire point of Piper's book. That point was that the Lansky/Rosenbaum Swiss bank underground was a serious covert funding source that entirely qualified the funding numbers David cited. Indeed the whole point of the book was that Israel was super-funded by this illegal US mob/CIA funding source that was overseen by zionist Meyer Lansky. David's response to this was to lecture me that I had failed his required reference and source demands. But anyone can see he simply refuses to answer the point and never did. David, once again, simply rips away from the point being made to self-reference his constructed counter-scenario without ever bothering to describe how that answers the point. Not very honest - yet that is still good enough to get praises for his approach from some.

Also, when shown that his desperation to create this artificial scenario led him to quote Piper-proving numbers in an opposite manner he didn't admit it or respond in any honest way. Instead he lectures that he can't force us to understand his material correctly. Hmm. Seeing how he has been repeatedly disproven numerous times, I'm confused on what exactly he is pointing to that isn't being understood?

In David's response I'm searching for something that shows any kind of honest answer to Piper's evidence that Israel was receiving large sums of money through this dirty bank network. Tibor Rosenbaum doesn't have a bronze plaque in Israel praising him for being responsible for the funding of the formation Israel because Piper lacks the proof David demands. Banc de Credit Internacional wasn't finally shut-down by European banking commissions because Piper lacked proof. Nor was BCCI used to replace it because there wasn't an important dirty bank funding underground this cabal relied on. Yet while David has his data entries blow up in his face and prove Piper we are lectured that we have failed his standards.

What people who hate Piper miss is that Bobby was going after the mob. As The Unspeakable exhibits the 'low level' Cuban who told Wayne January that the cabal really wanted Bobby more than Jack was indirectly evidencing something important. Bobby threatened this "follow the money" funding nexus. Really, I think if people are worried about their input aiding the cover-up they should worry about this.

Maybe David should read the book. - Just a suggestion. Maybe then he can give a straight answer as to how this vital Mediterranean/Swiss bank underground served as a prime funding source directly connected to CIA/Cuba/Israel and its importance in the assassination. So far he hasn't. That network was a vital political/financial trunk line for the cabal that can't be ignored with any credibility
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Right on, David!

Note how "Albert Doyle" no longer is seriously addressed on DPF. "He" has exposed "himself" far too often.

Now the original "Doyle" voice is being submitted -- and we are not about to allow this charade to go unaddressed.

Stop wasting our bandwidth, "Albert Doyle." Game over. "You" lose.

But then again, wasting bandwidth and driving threads such as this off topic is precisely what the "Albert Doyle" manipulators want to happen.

"Doyle's" posts -- even those written by the wordsmith "Doyle" entity -- are devoid of deep political value: zero insight, zero scholarship, zero value. Yet "he" continues to have access to DPF.

To all who would claim that I somehow "run" this forum, I simply note that if I did have such authority -- which is to say, if DPF were not run honorably and well by its owners on a majority rule basis -- "Albert Doyle" would be long gone from these cyber pages.
Charles Drago
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#8
Doesn't anyone want to discuss the fact that the Director of the CIA told RFK he thought there were two people involved in the shooting?

JFKcountercoup: CIA Director told RFK Two People Shooting at JFK
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Quote:That the Director of the CIA would tell the Attorney General he thought "there were two people involved in the shooting," was not just a personal belief or an unsubstantiated opinion, it was a determination based on the NPIC analysis of the Zapruder film and the reports of the Secret Service agents who witnessed the assassination and said that the President and Governor Connally were hit by separate shots, indicating there was more than one gunman.

It HAD TO BE a modified limited hangout McCone's saying 'two'. If he didn't know before, he certainly would have known by the time he made that statement, IMHO, that it was a classic military style ambush assassination, using 4-6 teams; and that the damage to the two men shot and the limo/curb/grass/possibly sign and other facts he must have had at hand pointed to multiple sharpshooters lying in wait, all coordinated. If he didn't likely suspect that aspects/players within his own 'Company' were involved, he was a fool...and I don't think he was a fool. Spy
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#10
The snarkiness, in fighting and almost constant chorus of "you're a shill" (especially concerning JFK/RFK) in this thread is a microcosm of why this board has all of what, 10 regular posters? I remember being able to access much better and more numerous information from the previous incarnation of the board a few years back, before whatever "coup" of the board took place and turned it into what it is now. Yeah I know, I'm probably a shill, too.
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