Jan Klimkowski Wrote:As the bard Pynchon once scribed:
"Paranoids are not paranoid because they're paranoid, but because they keep putting themselves, fucking idiots, deliberately into paranoid situations."
Hats off to Mr. Pynchon... yet that's akin to stating that Diabetics are so since they put themselves into diabetic situations.... that those suffering from depression are fucking idiots for placing themselves into depressing situations
(one might even say that living life is a depressing situation so we all have cause to be depressed)
Paranoia is a real mental disease... "BEING PARANOID" may mean they are afflicted with an illness or there is a real danger that requires real caution and concern....
Starting a Forum to discuss the Deep Politics of the world's events past, present and future constitutes a REAL DANGER of being overtaken and directed against the very efforts it was founded for...
Charles concern over this REAL DANGER is fully warranted and MUST be taken to heart.
Was Angleton paranoid for going after a mole... was it an irrational mental condition or REAL DANGER? Guess it matters who writes the book.
Charles has more than enough experience to ferret out a REAL DANGER to this forum. Yet he reminds me of an orthodox jewish POV... that anyone not adhereing to the Orthodox teachings and behavior is sabotaging the Jewish religion... there is not room for discussion. A reformed Jew hurts Judaism... as does a Conservative... since it takes from the needs and expectations of the religion when that religion is not followed to the intended (Orthodox) level of commitment.
If talking about the micro details of the conspiracy validates the opposite - that no conspiracy is one potential result of the anaylsis... then we are to NEVER discuss the details... ala Salandria...
We are only to talk about the Deep Politics... not the nuances of the evidence.. the obviousness of the plots to thwart exposure... the behaviors of individuals - UNLESS in the context of Deep Politics.
Would we say that "Dotting the Eye" is a Deep Politics subject? The TSBD rifles? The Tramps? Can we FIND a DP angle within these subjects?
Deep Politics is a framework infinitely more diffucult to remain within than the "evidence" and all the other BS.
A small handful of people can converse in that language... those of us who are not as fluent cling to the evidence as something tangible to investigate, to discuss, that keeps us informed and involved, hoping to SOLVE the already solved without letting known WE KNOW it is a conclusion, not a question that there was a conspiracy...
So maybe, just maybe... Charles and others can look at the "stickie" topics and add one about the core belief systems of Deep Political Thinking?
I see photo libraries, video libraries, timelines, faces, etiquette and Mary Farrell...
I too want to explore the evidence within the DP framework... and do so without being toyed with as if a spider....
DP is a language and a thought process which, if one searches, can be defined and shown by example... if one searches and reads and digests and attempts to understand...
Just saying "within PDScott's concepts of this or that" and not defining such concepts, or the framework within which to think and discuss these topics... leaves too much room for subjective interpretation
I'm afraid that CD and others with just as much passion to safeguard against REAL DANGER will have to first fight off paranoia...
How many "agents" are interested in or conversant in Deep Political discussion without it being obvious... how does an "enemy agent" steer Deep Political conversation
without it once again being obvious... Stating "Doorman is Oswald" and taking hundreds of pages to argue it... is NOT Deep Political thought or discussion... it's Trolling... simple.
Finally... if the "enemy agent" was good enough to discuss DP thought... really good... you suppose anyone here would be able to notice them pushing the discussion toward the possibility of a Conspiracy without it, once again, being obvious?
Charles is, imo, caught between a rock and hard place... the demons ARE there. They are just not behind questions like, "could you please explain what you mean" or "please support your premise with something substantial"...
For if he is seeing demons in these places... one might want to look into the other definition where REAL DANGER turns the mind on itself...
It's a fine line....
Diagnostic Features:
Paranoid Personality Disorder is a condition characterized by excessive distrust and suspiciousness of others. This disorder is only diagnosed when these behaviors become persistent and very disabling or distressing. This disorder should not be diagnosed if the distrust and suspiciousness occurs exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia, a Mood Disorder With Psychotic Features, or another Psychotic Disorder or if it is due to the direct physiological effects of a neurological (e.g., temporal lobe epilepsy) or other general medical condition.
Complications:
Individuals with this disorder are generally difficult to get along with and often have problems with close relationships because of their excessive suspiciousness and hostility. Their combative and suspicious nature may elicit a hostile response in others, which then serves to confirm their original expectations. Individuals with this disorder have a need to have a high degree of control over those around them. They are often rigid, critical of others, and unable to collaborate, although they have great difficulty accepting criticism themselves. They often become involved in legal disputes. They may exhibit thinly hidden, unrealistic grandiose fantasies, are often attuned to issues of power and rank, and tend to develop negative stereotypes of others, particularly those from population groups distinct from their own. More severely affected individuals with this disorder may be perceived by others as fanatics and form tightly knit cults or groups with others who share their paranoid beliefs.
Comorbidity:
In response to stress, individuals with this disorder may experience very brief psychotic episodes (lasting minutes to hours). If the psychotic episode lasts longer, this disorder may actually develop into Delusional Disorder or Schizophrenia. Individuals with this disorder are at increased risk for Major Depressive Disorder, Agoraphobia, Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, Alcohol and Substance-Related Disorders. Other Personality Disorders (especially Schizoid, Schizotypal, Narcissistic, Avoidant, and Borderline) often co-occur with this disorder.
