It's All Been a Tremendous Lark

[Magda Hassan]

Charles, I have always found your posts to be informative and thought provoking. While it seemed that your criticism of those with whom you disagree had recently become overly harsh, I have no doubt that you can remain a purveyor of truth while moderating your tone. As you said, you do not suffer fools; but one can manage to be honest and temperate at the same time. Charles, I hope that you will reconsider and return to the forum - your voice is valued and needed!

Well said Michael. Thank you!

[Magda Hassan]

This thread IS and SHOULD REMAIN focused on CD's decision to 'withdraw' from the Forum. Orling, you are trying to make this a 911 thread. Stop it! Now. A few others have started to veer off thread too.

Yes, thank you Peter.

...While I personally thought some of your angry rebuttals were a bit over the top, I understand and SHARE your GREAT passion that we must, at all cost, save the Country soon, or loose it forever. There are agents and fools in our midst; generally, and sometimes I suspect on this Forum, as well. That said, we all need to air of the side of caution before making a condemnation of someone and, where possible, refrain from prolonged attack. I am not guiltless on this. I openly admit [as I have before], that I believe Orling is either cognitively impaired or complicit in disinformation on 911 and have, at times, confronted him on it - but often just grit my teeth and tell myself, 'Let others say so also, if they see and agree with that'; I should try to refrain being a one man 'Jury'. I know you wanted this Forum NOT to be an EF clone - we all concur [all of the founders and regular posters here]. As passionate as we are about the wrongs committed and hidden; as passionate as we are about the need for drastic and rapid exposure of the Truth and urgently needed resultant changes, we [sadly] need to temper [some] on the internet our passion, frustrations, and [yes] sometimes anger at what we perceive as fools or tools of the Propaganda Ministries....

I know Peter is no fan of Jeffery Orling but to see him write this is a relief. We're not all going to see eye to eye on things nor are we going to like every one here but I too grit my teeth and get on with things. When Jeffery arrived here he was civil and his input was a sound and clear vision (but not the last or only word of course) to counter some of the confection promoted by Fetzer at the time who was well on the way to residing full time in Fetzerania but still had loyal friends and supporters at that time. I valued Jeffery's contribution and still do. It is just a pity that these important debates were debased and clouded by the many personal attacks and it seems it has been almost impossible for this historical baggage to have been left behind. At the time all the destructive shit was flying around I was dealing with floods and the chaos that came with that in my personal life and had no energy or time or even will to devote here to stemming it all. I deeply regret not being able to more at the time. I would like to do some thing now. I would like members here to either start over and leave the emotional baggage from those shit fights behind and give Jeffery a break or if they cannot just grit your teeth for a while to see how things go. I'd like Jeffery to also leave it all behind and be the civil professional architect he was when he first arrived. Clearly, Jeffery is out of his comfort zone when it comes to JFK matters but the DPF is also a place where people can learn. While there are people here who have great knowledge of matters JFK I doubt they could design and build a multi level structure costed to the last $1,000, that did not fall down. Nor should they be totally dismissed or judged as a human being for not being able to do so. We all have our strengths and weaknesses.


Anyway, back to Charles's thread here. Please start another thread in the right place if any one wants further discussion on this.

[Jim Hackett II]

Quote Peter Lemkin [edited for brevity and boldface added for emphasis]
...I was looking at John Kelin's new website, which includes as one of the several excellent articles one, by none other than CD....and it made me again think how much JFK information, wisdom and insight we will be denied should Charles decide not to return at some point. The Big Battle is shaping up in the Big D this year - but will also be fought all over the Nation for hearts and minds. The opposition has NO Truth, No Facts, Nothing but invented scenario, lies, deception, tampered-with evidence [including 'best evidence'], and a huge coverup that began BEFORE the event. They are going to try to put the American People to 'sleep' on this topic and relegate it to the likes of the Lincoln assassination [another large governmental conspiracy and coverup, by the way] - i.e. without passion and a sense of historical import to current time and events. Those of us who know, like CD did/does passionately, that it was a very clever and very evil conspiracy/coup from the highest deep levels; though there were intermediaries and 'grunts', mechanics and actors aplenty in this piece. Truth and the facts are on our side. Power and money is behind the propaganda pushing the knowingly false 'official version' in order to preserve their 'system'. Truly expose the JFK Assassination and their system, our Government, their power all crumble like a house of cards in a earthquake of 10 on the Richter scale. Charles, you are needed to help us fight the enemy; although I'm sure you will....whether here or elsewhere. Persons truly knowledgeable of most of the aspects of the case number [I'd guess] only perhaps a few thousand, amazingly....CD would be one of those truly knowledgeable minority. Most Americans, without knowing all the complex details and false trails, sense there was a conspiracy, and there was a patsy named LHO. They also mostly believe the Government was involved in some way, and is covering up the Truth it has access to. We who know, have the duty to enlighten and embolden the Public via various means - pointing to good books, articles, films, videos, lectures, just talking to everyone we know, et al. Now is the time, if ever there was one......
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Those not as completely informed as CD find his information priceless to sort the chaff from the wheat, I include myself as not as completely informed too.

In the face of the building MSM efforts to distract and misinform those that can be misled surrounding the 50th anniversary, all the counter-truth efforts need to be met by .... truth.

It is that insight Peter Lemkin mentioned that we all need.

Now is the time, if ever there was one and Charles Drago is one of the conveyors of valid data and pointers to those like myself that have enough data to conclude conspiracy but lack the wide ranging scope of knowledge.

Ignoring the enemy is the wrong response. Nevertheless, I've seen the wisdom of not casting pearls before the swine.
Anger and contempt - I know well for the war-pig enemies.

Jim

Oh and Magda, some of us could hang that steel to build the building mentioned. But the crews would know ahead of 'topping-out' (finish ceremonies) if the job was fraudulent.

[Jeffrey Orling]

Magda,

I certainly don't hold grudges or dwell on the past. I pleasd guilty to being drawn into off topic online brawls with others straying from the technical dicussion. CD bears some responsibility for the situation. At the end it was so far afield of anything usefull I decided the environment for discussing 9/11 from a technical perspective was impossible. So I stopped posting... occassionally checking in to see if there was anything of interest to me on the 9/11 sub forum.

I am not a JFK researcher and have no techincal expertise to contribute. I was keen about the conspiracy an attended one of Mark Lane's early talks, and followed Mae Brussel's work for years. I accepted the general concept that JFK was a coup but I was not aware of the descriptive models and the deep state analysis of PDS. And certainly not familiar with the 50 years of continuing research into the assassination.

I certainly would like a better outcome than we've been forced to live with for 50 years. I would like to see the coup run out of town and the neo fascist practices. The most enduring legacy of JFK seems to be the complete control of the media and the ability to sustain false narratives about almost all key issues which impact the people of this nation and the world. Getting the truth about JFK seems to be perhaps the way to topple this monster from the bottom where it appears to have really stepped into the light... but cloaked in lies and deception.

But the apparatus for what is referred to as the deep state or the *coup* and so forth... was in place and operating well before JFK. A few people who rose to prominence in the 60's seemed to represent a threat the the coup and its position of safety nestled behind the fig leaf of a US democracy. The deep hidden state has only become increasingly bold and visible over the past half century and many people actually do see something is amiss.

I think the problem is how to leverage all the information uncovered about the coup of '63 to topple it and restore an ethical society which honors human rights and freedom... not one that worships wealth and war.

I hope CD continues his efforts. rant over. return to your local stations.

[Dawn Meredith]

Charles, I have always found your posts to be informative and thought provoking. While it seemed that your criticism of those with whom you disagree had recently become overly harsh, I have no doubt that you can remain a purveyor of truth while moderating your tone. As you said, you do not suffer fools; but one can manage to be honest and temperate at the same time. Charles, I hope that you will reconsider and return to the forum - your voice is valued and needed!

Well said Michael. Thank you!

Agreed.

[Phil Dragoo]

A thunderclap preceded by an epic test of the various towns' and cities' tornado sirens; the weatherradio, too, cacaphonous, caterwauling with chalkboardscratch.

Of all the joints they had to drive into Dealey where bullets from four points of a compass met at the midpoint of the Fed's Century in the only brain to challenge the power.

It wasn't Lee, nor Harvey. Applying filters to remove the trivial disagreements, it was the Power.

Per Horne et al the first forecast of JFK lunching in Dallas in the Fall was from Vice President Lyndon Baines Johnson April 23, 1963, a day the Power contacted Adele whose story will be featured in H.P. Albarelli A Secret Order to be available next month.

The Bay of Pigs did what it was designed to do: to create the small army of angry Cubans for the ultimate deniable assassination of the inconvenient John F. Kennedy, or as Marcello said to the informant, "LIVARSI NA PIETRA DI LA SCARPA!" or "He makes me so angry I speak in caplock!"

Mongoose as plausible denial from Helms to Harvey to Maheu to Rosselli to a drum in Biscayne Bay (pa rum pum pum pum).

Dulles feels the itch to scribe Crafty Intelligence, calls in Hunt in Red November in the year sixty-one.

Spinning like the rooftop Matrix bullet dodge



DiEugenio suggests, "Dodge this."

And from the front, Sherry Fiester, as some insist there was/was not a rear shot--

[Cue the SecState erupting a la the airport woman in Total Recall] "What difference does it make!"

Al Capone through Robert DeNiro wields a baseball bat to expound on teamwork.

They have all been team players since John F. Kennedy. I would have welcomed the prospective Kennedy-Goldwater debate tour a la Lincoln-Douglas.

But with NSAM 263 kicking in the Acheson-Topeka-Santa Fe troop train was running, running silver to Brown & Root and Paine-Bell, DuPont and their Belin

Coincidentally acting head of Treasury That Day

Oh, wait--no coincidences.

So anyone may have fifteen minutes as the Soup Can du jour

but the wind still blows the Eternal Flame

and Justice

waits

(saw him in '68; Satini from Boulder went down to do him, reappeared the next day, the 'sixties)

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[Adele Edisen]

We all miss you, Charles. Please come back and write us a blog, or whatever you wish.

Adele

[Keith Millea]

We all miss you, Charles. Please come back and write us a blog, or whatever you wish.

Adele

I will second that Adele.

And I would add the quote that is slowly taking material form here on DPF.(paraphrased)

"When Adele speaks I listen"

'Eh,Charles.........

[Adele Edisen]

We all miss you, Charles. Please come back and write us a blog, or whatever you wish.

Adele

I will second that Adele.

And I would add the quote that is slowly taking material form here on DPF.(paraphrased)

"When Adele speaks I listen"

'Eh,Charles.........

Keith,

I don't think I deserve such honors, but I shall thank you anyway. All of us contribute as we seek truths, and all of us learn from each other, so let's all listen and heed each other, too. Sometimes someone, anyone, can open a new doorway which could lead to new visions and perspectives. And we can learn from mistakes and errors, those of others, as well as from our own, and I've had a lot of practice learning from my own errors, believe me.

That is the purpose of a forum like this one, I believe.

Thank you, Keith. Let's keep on digging for Truth...

Adele

[Keith Millea]

I don't think I deserve such honors, but I shall thank you anyway. All of us contribute as we seek truths, and all of us learn from each other, so let's all listen and heed each other, too. Sometimes someone, anyone, can open a new doorway which could lead to new visions and perspectives. And we can learn from mistakes and errors, those of others, as well as from our own, and I've had a lot of practice learning from my own errors, believe me.

That is the purpose of a forum like this one, I believe.

And that folks,is a perfect example,of why I listen......:wavey: