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Armstrong's Hypothosis - Harvey and Lee - Applied to Tippit
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Adele Edisen Wrote:...
There was supposed to have been a Polish Military Intelligence operative, prior to World War II or of that time, I believe, who devised a plot to assassinate someone - don't know who - by using twins, or doubles, as patsies or as potential suspects to confuse investigators.
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Maybe that's one reason Mengele was so interested in twins, and he was allowed to escape Germany.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnew...razil.html

"Nazi angel of death Josef Mengele 'created twin town in Brazil'

The Nazi doctor Josef Mengele is responsible for the astonishing number of twins in a small Brazilian town, an Argentine historian has claimed.

By Nick Evans in Buenos Aires
Last Updated: 12:22PM GMT 23 Jan 2009

One in five pregnancies in the small Brazilian town have resulted in twins - most of them blond haired and blue eyed

[See attached photo; it's incredible.]

The steely hearted "Angel of Death", whose mission was to create a master race fit for the Third Reich, was the resident medic at Auschwitz from May 1943 until his flight in the face of the Red Army advance in January 1945.

His task was to carry out experiments to discover by what method of genetic quirk twins were produced – and then to artificially increase the Aryan birthrate for his master, Adolf Hitler.

Now, a historian claims, Mengele's notorious experiments may have borne fruit.

For years scientists have failed to discover why as many as one in five pregnancies in a small Brazilian town have resulted in twins – most of them blond haired and blue eyed.

But residents of Candido Godoi now claim that Mengele made repeated visits there in the early 1960s, posing at first as a vet but then offering medical treatment to the women of the town.

Shuttling between Argentina, Paraguay and Brazil, he managed to evade justice before his death in 1979, but his dreams of a Nazi master race appeared unfulfilled.

In a new book, Mengele: the Angel of Death in South America, the Argentine historian Jorge Camarasa, a specialist in the post-war Nazi flight to South America, has painstakingly pieced together the Nazi doctor's mysterious later years.

After speaking to the townspeople of Candido Godoi, he is convinced that Mengele continued his genetic experiments with twins – with startling results.

He reveals how, after working with cattle farmers in Argentina to increase their stock, Mengele fled the country after fellow Nazi, Adolf Eichmann, was kidnapped by Israeli agents.

He claims that Mengele found refuge in the German enclave of Colonias Unidas, Paraguay, and from there, in 1963, began to make regular trips to another predominantly German community just over the border in Brazil – the farming community of Candido Godoi.

And, Mr Camaras claims, it was here that soon after the birthrate of twins began to spiral.

"I think Candido Godoi may have been Mengele's laboratory, where he finally managed to fulfil his dreams of creating a master race of blond haired, blue eyed Aryans," he said.

"There is testimony that he attended women, followed their pregnancies, treated them with new types of drugs and preparations, that he talked of artificial insemination in human beings, and that he continued working with animals, proclaiming that he was capable of getting cows to produce male twins."

The urbane German who arrived in Candido Godoi was remembered with fondness by many of the townspeople.

"He told us he was a vet," said Aloisi Finkler, a local farmer interviewed by Mr Camarasa. "He asked about illnesses we had among our animals, and told us not to worry, he could cure them. He appeared a cultured and dignified man."

Another farmer, Leonardo Boufler, said: "He went from farm to farm checking the animals. He checked them for TB, and injected those that were infected. He said he could carry out artificial insemination of cows and humans, which we thought impossible as in those days it was unheard of."

But the Nazi eugenicist did not concentrate on animals alone.

A former mayor and town doctor, Anencia Flores da Silva, set out to try to solve the town's mystery. He interviewed hundreds of people, and discovered one character who crept on cropping up: an itinerant medic calling himself Rudolph Weiss.

Dr da Silva said: "In the testimonies we collected we came across women who were treated by him, he appeared to be some sort of rural medic who went from house to house. He attended women who had varicose veins and gave them a potion which he carried in a bottle, or tablets which he brought with him. Sometimes he carried out dental work, and everyone remembers he used to take blood."

The people of Candido Godoi now largely accept that a Nazi war criminal was an inadvertent guest of theirs for several years in the early 1960s. The town's official crest shows two identical profiles and a road sign welcomes visitors to a "Farming Community and Land of the Twins". There is also a museum, the House of the Twins.

While the twins birthrate varies widely in different countries, it is typically about one in 80 pregnancies – a statistic that has left Mr Camarasa certain in his claim that Mengele was successfully pursuing his dreams of creating a master race, a real-life Boys from Brazil.

"Nobody knows for sure exactly what date Mengele arrived in Candido Godoi, but the first twins were born in 1963, the year in which we first hear reports of his presence," he said."


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#32
Dawn Meredith Wrote:I have long believed that Tippit's assignment was to go to LHO's rooming house and shoot him. Keep in mind that Earlene Roberts saw a cop car outside the house and then Oswald took off. Then Tippit was killed by conspirators for failing in his mission, imo. Reading that he basically said goodbye to his son that morning convinces me that he had a role and that it concerned Harvey or Lee. (And Ms. Roberts would soon die under possibly suspicious circumstances)

Dawn

Interesting theory Dawn. That might also explain why LHO caused a scene over breakfast a couple of days earlier in a restaurant in Tippit's presence, so Tippit would be able to recognize him.

Why would Tippit have pulled up to the boarding house, honked, then left?

I had no idea that Roberts died so soon (1966) after the coup until you mentioned it. I knew she was harassed out of multiple jobs, but she died of--yet another--supposed heart attack.

Anyone know how old she was/what year she was born?
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#33
What a fascinating article Myra.

Quote:He interviewed hundreds of people, and discovered one character who crept on cropping up: an itinerant medic calling himself Rudolph Weiss.
Weiss means 'white' in German. Maybe a little nazi in joke.

There are many places within South America which are German. Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Uruguay, Paraguay all have huge German colonies there. Generations of Germans who never learn to speak Spanish (or Portuguese) most of the houses look like they have been transplanted from the Swiss Alps.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#34
LHO literally a twin? Or triplet?

Perhaps we've been missing the simple truth.

And perhaps the multiple birth-related genetic experiments of Mengele and others through the ages have been motivated by metaphysical agendas. If so, the ruling political classes' material support (financial and otherwise) may have been offered -- and accepted -- in return for exclusive rights to utilize end product for relatively prosaic (including deep political) purposes.
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#35
Charles Drago Wrote:LHO literally a twin? Or triplet?

Perhaps we've been missing the simple truth.

And perhaps the multiple birth-related genetic experiments of Mengele and others through the ages have been motivated by metaphysical agendas. If so, the ruling political classes' material support (financial and otherwise) may have been offered -- and accepted -- in return for exclusive rights to utilize end product for relatively prosaic (including deep political) purposes.

Much Nazi science did have metaphysical inspirations and metaphysical ends.

However, fundamentally, Mengele was a crude eugenicist. He was trying to create a blond-haired, blue-eyed Aryan "Master Race" through selective breeding.

I've written about this on DPF before. The reason he lusted after twins was that they provided him with "control" subjects.

Mengele played the "kindly uncle" figure who gave his "special children" sweets. However, typical Mengele experiments involved surgically removing an organ from one twin, or injecting a substance into a twin's eyes or spine. If that twin then died, their body would be dissected to examine the medical evidence. Shortly afterwards, the live twin would be murdered and cut up, to perform an autopsy on the best available "control material".

Nazi histopathology.

Nazi science.

Total horror.

The claims about Candido Godoi are interesting - if Mengele can be placed in the area at the time. I'm a little dubious that Mengele had discovered a means of increasing the incidence of live born twins to one in five in the 1960s. However, his aim was most definitely to breed blond-haired, blue-eyed children.

It would be important to ascertain whether these blond-haired, blue-eyed children suddenly started appearing in a region which had no history of such births. I myself have visited a remote village on the far side of the Peruvian Andes and seen blond-haired, blue-eyed children. However, they had been born in the village for generations and for centuries, and their origin is almost certainly part of the tangled web of history.

Intelligence agencies have long had an interest in using twins for covert operations. Twins offer great opportunities for confusion and subterfuge, and provide perfect alibis and absolute plausible deniability. So long as only the person running the operation knows that Person A has an identical Twin B....

If it's widely known that Person A has an identical Twin B, then those opportunities for sowing confusion evaporate.

In my judgement, it's important to keep the natural interest of intelligence agencies in twins for operational reasons separate and distinct from Mengele's interest in twins for Nazi eugenic reasons.

Mengele's twins were laboratory rats, for testing his pseduo-scientific hypothesis about the Aryan race.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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#36
I'm with you on this, Jan, and I've been on the doppelganger gambit in intel ops for too many years.

I've often used the term "cognitive dissonance" to describe the impact on observers -- hostile, friendly, and neutral -- of multiple identity provocations. The JFK assassination case stands out, but there are many others.

Have you ever seen a photo of Michael Paine c. 1963?


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#37
Blood twins.

Bloody opportunities.

The Minnesota Study of Twins Reared Apart investigated twins who were separated at birth and raised in different families.

Financed by Wickliffe Draper's eugenicist Pioneer Fund.

Tawdry possibilities, metaphysical opportunities.

Trauma. Pain. Misdirection.
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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#38
[QUOTE=

Speaking of Canada, I had no idea that the intelligence agencies of both nations were joined at the hit until I read-in 94- Phil Melanson's incredible book on the MLK case. That book is a real page turner. Better than any spy novelist's imagination. It made me sad for my former country. Destroyed my last shred of naivete.

Dawn[/QUOTE]

Canada has it's own sordid history of deep political activity. The Canadian government conducted it's own medical experiments, it carried out chemical warfare experiments on it's own soldiers, allowed US government to experiment with Agent Orange in Canada and by doing so exposed Canadians to this poison, and sent Canadian soldiers to Nevada to be exposed to atomic fallout. There is also Dr. Cameron who conducted his psychological experiments in Montreal. Canada, US and the other NATO countries have been joined at the hip for a long time and this is why I am no longer surprised when any new revelation about Canada's involvement in any form of deep political activity is revealed.

John
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#39
Peter Lemkin Wrote:
Jack White Wrote:
Peter Lemkin Wrote:
Myra Bronstein Wrote:And once the book is obtained it's not easy to read.

I didn't find his book hard to read, but it is NOT the kind one reads more than a few pages of at a time and then stop to think and digest it. It is extremely dense with information - much not to be had anywhere else. Yes, the Tippit piece is a microcosm of the book and its style. Sadly, there was much more information he found he never committed to the book. It certainly puts to bed the idea that Oswald was a loner, a nut, or the assassin - in fact it refutes most everything in the official version - or makes it very suspect in as to how it was 'spun' by the authorities.

Jack, Any chance he will return to this matter or put what other information he has in the public realm at some point?

At some point John's materials may be available at a university.

Jack

That's great to hear. I know he has 'washed his hands' of this for now, but if you're in contact with him kindly let him know many would love for him to return to his labor of love - no matter the pain - the NATION needs it more than ever!

I will second that. I read his book and hope that some day he will return to his research.

John
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#40
John's research will soon be available at the Baylor University Library's
Penn Jones Collection, and may eventually be available online. It is now
being copied and indexed. There are more than 50 4-inch 3-ring binders
full of documents. It is a huge job. I do not know whether it will include
the unpublished chapters of his book, which originally was about 2000
pages and had to be pared down to half that much. But I think it will include
his research on such matters as the Ziger sisters and Donald O. Norton.
More info when available.

Jack

PS. John is unlikely to return to active research, but he maintains an
active curiosity in the case and some "big break" might reactivate him.
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