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As Albert said above:
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Ibragim Todashev
A Chechen man shot dead by the FBI during questioning on his links to the Boston Marathon bombers was unarmed, The Washington Post reported.Ibragim Todashev, 27, was shot by the FBI in Orlando, Florida a week ago after he allegedly stabbed an agent during questioning on his possible involvement with Tamerlan Tsarnaev in a triple homicide that took place before the Boston attacks.
The domestic intelligence agency did not name Todashev at the time.
A law enforcement official told the Post, however, that Todashev had lunged at the FBI agent and overturned the table, but had neither a gun nor a knife.
The shooting came after hours of questioning by law enforcement officials that began the night before.
Investigators told US media that Tsarnaev and Todashev were believed to have murdered three people in a Boston suburb two years ago whose bodies were found nearly decapitated and covered with marijuana and thousands of dollars in cash.
After the shooting, Todashev's father Abdulbaki Todashev questioned the FBI's account of the incident in which his son was said to have attacked bureau personnel with a knife.
Law enforcement officials were also quoted as suggesting that Todashev tried to grab the FBI agent's gun.
Scant more details have emerged about the incident, with the FBI saying it is under review by the agency.
"The FBI takes very seriously any shooting incidents involving our agents and as such we have an effective, time-tested process for addressing them internally," FBI spokesman Paul Bresson said in a statement.
"The review process is thorough and objective and conducted as expeditiously as possible under the circumstances."
He said FBI and Justice Department officials were involved in the probe.
The Florida chapter of a top US Muslim group called earlier for an "independent investigation" by the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division.
"Our call for an independent investigation of this disturbing incident is not just about the victim and his family, but is also about constitutional rights and the rule of law," said Hassan Shibly, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations division in Tampa.
Todashev was reported to be a friend of Tsarnaev, whom he knew through their shared hobby of mixed martial-arts fighting.
Tsarnaev, 26, and his brother Dzhokhar, 19, were the alleged perpetrators of the April 15 Boston bombings that killed three people and wounded more than 260 near the finish line of the race.
Tamerlan Tsarnaev died in a shootout with police. His brother was captured after an exhaustive manhunt and is in custody.
FBI Man: He LUNGED at me your Honour!
Hon: Did you shoot him dead?
FBI Man: Sure did.
Hon: Quite right. We can't allow lunging by unarmed friends of terror suspects when being questioned.**
The world has gone mad.
Law enforcement are corrupt beyond belief, as are their masters.
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I'd be willing to bet he [slight, small, single, unarmed, afraid - AND HAVING TOLD A FRIEND UPON HEARING THE FBI WERE COMING TO INTERVIEW HIM, THAT HE'D BE KILLED BY THE FBI!] did not 'lunge' or even raise his voice nor a finger at them. They came to silence him, as dead men don't talk. How far are we from the Gestapo, the SS, SA? I'd say the difference is in the uniforms, the propaganda and PR, and the language...only those mark a difference at this point...and perhaps in the intensity of evil....but we are catching up at lightning speed!!!
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You have to question if FBI used some kind of provocation method like chemicals, torture techniques, etc to incite the incident.
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Albert Doyle Wrote:You have to question if FBI used some kind of provocation method like chemicals, torture techniques, etc to incite the incident.
I'd bet my life there was no 'incitement', there was only COLD-BLOODED MURDER!!!!
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Ibragim Todashev Killed Execution Style by FBI to "Shut him up" Claims Father
Posted on May 30, 2013 by willyloman
by Scott Creighton
"Maybe my son knew some sort of information that the police didn't want to get out. They shut him up. That's my opinion." Abdul-Baki Todashev
Ibragim Todashev's father, Abdul-Baki Todashev, has gone to the press with photos he got from his son's friend who was at the morgue. One of the photos appears to show at least one entry wound near the top and rear of Ibragim's head suggesting he was seated or kneeling when he was killed. This wound is presumably what killed him and from the looks of it Ibragim never saw it coming.
"The father of a Chechen immigrant killed in Florida while being interrogated by the FBI about his ties to a Boston Marathon bombings suspect said Thursday that the U.S. agents killed his son "execution-style." AP
It has already been admitted by law enforcement who were on the scene when Ibragim Todashev was killed that he was not armed and did not have a knife as early reports fraudulently claimed.
"Law enforcement officials initially told ABC News that, Todashev "just went crazy," brandishing a knife and stabbing the FBI agent." Huffington Post
It's also been reported by the Washington Post, that the other law enforcement professionals had stepped out of the room when Ibragim was killed, leaving him alone and unarmed with the FBI agent.
"A Chechen man who was fatally shot by an FBI agent last week during an interview about one of the Boston bombing suspects was unarmed, law enforcement officials said Wednesday…
.. An official said that according to one account of the shooting, the other law enforcement officials had just stepped out of the room, leaving the FBI agent alone with Todashev, when the confrontation (murder) occurred." Washington Post
The autopsy photos (you can see all of them here and yes, they are disturbing) paint a rather horrific end to Ibragim Todashev's short life. He was apparently wounded multiple times, according to a report, they were gunshot wounds, but they could also have been knife wounds for all we know.
Well we know one thing or two for sure and that is the FBI doesn't record their interrogations so they can lie about what suspects say and someone in the FBI has been lying about what happened to Ibragim Todashev from the start.
We all talk about the Feds needing to seize the Federal Reserve in order to protect the people from the out of control oligarchs who are using it to enslave us and I would like to add a suggestion to that… perhaps the military needs to seize the FBI at this point. If they think they can get away with just executing people without any consequences we're in serious trouble.
They call that "death squads" in other countries folks.
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If the following is true then it is truly shocking. If it is true?
Quote:The father of a Chechen man killed by an FBI agent as he was questioned over links to the Boston marathon bombing has claimed his son was shot in the back of the head in an extra-judicial execution. Mr Todashev, right, is believed to have been an associate of Tamerlan Tsarnaev Photo: Getty Images
By Tom Parfitt, Moscow and Philip Sherwell in New York
5:41PM BST 30 May 2013
Abdulbaki Todashev said his eldest son Ibragim was hit with seven bullets six to his body and a "control shot" fired into his head, designed to finish him off.
Mr Todashev, 27, was killed at his home in Orlando, Florida, on May 22 as an FBI special agent and several other law enforcement personnel questioned him about Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the alleged Boston bomber who died in a shoot-out with police after the attack.
The FBI has said that Mr Todashev, who moved to the US from Russia in 2008, was shot when he initiated a "violent confrontation" with his questioners.
Mr Todashev was said to have confessed to his involvement in an unsolved 2011 triple murder with Tsarnaev when he became violent, according to agents.
His father disputed that view at a Moscow press conference as he showed a series of photographs that he said were his son's bullet-riddled corpse, and called for the officers responsible for the death to be prosecuted.
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"After this case, I've formed the impression that they come brazenly to your home like bandits and kill a person," he said.
One of the graphic photographs taken in a morgue in Florida by one of Ibragim Todashev's friends and emailed to his father appears to show a bullet wound to the top left side of the young man's head.
Zaurbek Sadakhanov, a lawyer helping the older Mr Todashev, said: "This was an extra-judicial execution."
Abdulbaki Todashev said his son was questioned for eight hours in a session that was not recorded on video, and without a lawyer or witness present. "I can't believe that five armed officers couldn't restrain an unarmed man, or if not, wound him at the very most rather than killing him," he said.
He added, without giving details: "I think my son knew something. He was removed in order to silence him."
In Florida, the dead man's widow made a tearful appeal for a US federal civil rights investigation into his death. Reni Manukyan, his wife of nearly three years, said Ibragim Todashev knew Tsarnaev, but that they were not close, and her husband had nothing to do with the triple murder.
There have been conflicting accounts from anonymous law enforcement sources to US media outlets about how Ibragim Todashev was killed.
It was originally reported that Ibragim Todashev threatened an agent with a knife, but the FBI later backed away from that account. In another version, he flipped over a table, knocking the FBI agent's head against a wall, then lunged at him with a ceremonial sword. Fearing for his life, the agent was said to have opened fire.
In the latest twist, two sources quoted in the Washington Post said that Ibragim Todashev was unarmed when he was shot, although one said that he had lunged for an FBI agent.
The FBI did not comment on the latest reports, but said that the shooting was the subject of a detailed review.
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"Mr Todashev was said to have confessed to his involvement in an unsolved 2011 triple murder with Tsarnaev when he became violent, according to agents."
How convenient. Happens all the time, suspects confess to murders then are killed, so alleged "confession" can't be questioned.
Yup in practicing criminal defense now twenty eight years I have yet to ever see this happen.
Again, Russ Baker is asking some qreat questions, but MSM isnores such contradictions.
Evidence? Nah, just fabricate it. The public will buy it. They always do.
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Funny how he got into an FBI interrogation with a "ceremonial sword". America is getting goofy.
America now operates at the level of FOX News watchers who say "Well, now they know how it feels" or some other crass reply when confronted by such examples of government treachery.
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WASHINGTON A man who was killed in Orlando, Fla., last week while being questioned by an F.B.I. agent about his relationship with Tamerlan Tsarnaev, one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects, had knocked the agent to the ground with a table and ran at him with a metal pole before being shot, according to a senior law enforcement official [not named] briefed on the matter.
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Ibragim Todashev in a booking photograph this month.
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Ibragim Todashev's apartment complex in Orlando, Fla., where the investigation continued.
The official's account of the shooting, the most detailed to date, came several hours after the man's Chechen father claimed at a news conference in Moscow on Thursday that his son, Ibragim Todashev, was unarmed when he was killed on May 22. The father, Abdulbaki Todashev, displayed photographs of his son's bullet-ridden body and demanded that the United States government explain how he was killed.
On the day of the shooting, federal law enforcement officials provided differing accounts of the episode, initially saying Mr. Todashev had a knife. Later they said Mr. Todashev had "exploded" at the agent and might have had a pipe or might not have had anything in his hands.
The shooting occurred after an F.B.I. agent from Boston and two detectives from the Massachusetts State Police had been interviewing Mr. Todashev for several hours about his possible involvement in a triple homicide in Waltham, Mass., in 2011, according to the law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.
Mr. Todashev, according to the F.B.I., confessed to his involvement in the deaths and implicated Mr. Tsarnaev. He then started to write a statement admitting his involvement while sitting at a table across from the agent and one of the detectives when the agent briefly looked away, the official said. At that moment, Mr. Todashev picked up the table and threw it at the agent, knocking him to the ground.
While trying to stand up, the agent, who suffered a wound to his face from the table that required stitches, drew his gun and saw Mr. Todashev running at him with a metal pole, according to the official, adding that it might have been a broomstick.
The agent fired several shots at Mr. Todashev, striking him and knocking him backward. But Mr. Todashev again charged at the agent. The agent fired several more shots at Mr. Todashev, killing him. The detective in the room did not fire his weapon, the official said.
Under the F.B.I.'s guidelines, agents can fire a gun at someone if they feel the person is a threat to them or someone else. The episode is being reviewed by a team of F.B.I. investigators who specialize in shootings and by the district attorney in Orlando, the official said.
At the news conference in Moscow, the elder Mr. Todashev said his son had been interrogated for eight hours in his home on the day of the shooting because he had refused to report to an official building for what would have been a third round of questioning. He said that judging from his son's wounds, he had been shot seven times, including once on the crown of his head.
"I want justice," said Mr. Todashev, who works for the city government in Grozny, the capital of Chechnya. "I want this to be investigated, so that these people will be put on trial in America. These are not F.B.I. agents, they are bandits. They must be put on trial."
Mr. Todashev, said the agents had focused exclusively on the Boston bombing the first time they questioned his son, and they raised the 2011 killings in subsequent conversations. He said his son was planning to fly to Russia on May 24 for a visit because he had received his American green card two months earlier and was now free to travel.
"Probably he was tired of these interrogations," he said. "He said, I am home; you should come to me.' That kind of conversation took place. And they came to his home."
Mr. Todashev, a father of 12, said his son was with a friend, Khusen Taramov, when the agents arrived. He said they had separated the two men and questioned Mr. Taramov outside, before releasing him after four hours. When Mr. Taramov asked about his friend, Mr. Todashev said, "They pushed him off, told him, We're going to be with him a long time.' " Mr. Taramov returned later to find the house surrounded by police officers and emergency vehicles.
"I have questions for the Americans," said Zaurbek Sadakhanov, a lawyer who has worked with the Todashev family as well as the family of Mr. Tsarnaev and his brother, Dzhokhar, the other suspect in the Bostom bombings. "Why was he questioned for the third time without a lawyer? Why wasn't Ibragim's questioning recorded on audio or videotape, seeing as he was being questioned without a lawyer? What was the need to shoot Ibragim seven times, when five fully equipped police officers with stun guns were against him?"
He also complained about the muted response of the Russian Foreign Ministry. The ministry often responds vocally to the treatment of Russian citizens by officials of foreign governments, but it has made no statement about Mr. Todashev's shooting. Much of the news conference focused on the actions of United States law enforcement.
"We will never know whether Ibragim Todashev and Tamerlan Tsarnaev were criminals, because the investigation ends with their death," Mr. Sadakhanov said. "If that's what happens in American democracy, then I am against the export of that democracy to Russia."
Mr. Todashev said Ibragim had graduated from a university in Chechnya and then traveled to the United States in 2008, hoping to improve his English. He said his son befriended the Tsarnaev brothers in Boston, but had moved to Florida two years ago. This relationship was of central interest to the agents who questioned Ibragim, Mr. Todashev said, adding that his son told them he did not believe the Tsarnaev brothers were guilty.
"He did not believe the Tsarnaevs did this," he said. "He said they had been set up. These were his exact words."
He said he hoped to receive an American visa so that he could retrieve his son's body and take it back to Russia for burial. He said that he has so far received no account of his son's death from American officials, and that he had received the photographs of his son's corpse from a friend who had sent them to him electronically. The photographs were published Thursday on the Russian Web site Kavkazskaya Politika.
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Was that thing with the table a "lunge" Pete, do you think?
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge. Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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