Anthony Summers

[Marc Ellis]

I'm starting the last part of Summers' book, NIYL, "Endgame".

I think L.N. Theorists will find precious little to celebrate in this book. If they are doing
a victory dance right ow, they may want to stop and read a copy.

He lays out some very coherent and plausible lines of research. And nowhere is
the lone nut story given any credence or even much consideration.

I think he's especially persuasive on the TSBD & Oswald's whereabouts.
He makes a good case for conspiracy on the Tippet shooting. He's especially
good on the mob's view of RFK & JFK. It seems RFK was waging war on mobleaders
and his tactics were similar to theirs. Abducting & deporting Marcello w/o due process
for instance.

I don't agree with Summers on Garrison. I think he gives him short-shrift.
And I have serious questions about the attempted shooting of General Walker -
not just for Summers, but for anyone.

I'm a novice. I just started reading on this because it is the 50th anniversary.
But the two books I chose to start with, Destiny Betrayed and Not in your Lifetime
I think have given me a pretty good grounding. I'll cross-check some things
on McAdams' site. But I really find the condescending tone of the LN's annoying.
And I find all their explanations of 544 Camp Street dishonest at worst and lame at best.

On 544 Camp Street, the LN'ers need to come up with something more persuasive than what they
have put forward to date. That address is absolutely critical to understanding what happened.

[Dawn Meredith]

I'm starting the last part of Summers' book, NIYL, "Endgame".

I think L.N. Theorists will find precious little to celebrate in this book. If they are doing
a victory dance right ow, they may want to stop and read a copy.

He lays out some very coherent and plausible lines of research. And nowhere is
the lone nut story given any credence or even much consideration.

I think he's especially persuasive on the TSBD & Oswald's whereabouts.
He makes a good case for conspiracy on the Tippet shooting. He's especially
good on the mob's view of RFK & JFK. It seems RFK was waging war on mobleaders
and his tactics were similar to theirs. Abducting & deporting Marcello w/o due process
for instance.

I don't agree with Summers on Garrison. I think he gives him short-shrift.
And I have serious questions about the attempted shooting of General Walker -
not just for Summers, but for anyone.

I'm a novice. I just started reading on this because it is the 50th anniversary.
But the two books I chose to start with, Destiny Betrayed and Not in your Lifetime
I think have given me a pretty good grounding. I'll cross-check some things
on McAdams' site. But I really find the condescending tone of the LN's annoying.
And I find all their explanations of 544 Camp Street dishonest at worst and lame at best.

On 544 Camp Street, the LN'ers need to come up with something more persuasive than what they
have put forward to date. That address is absolutely critical to understanding what happened.

Curious as to why you would "cross check" anything on McAdams' disinfo site.
You will find no truth there.

Dawn

[Marc Ellis]

I'm starting the last part of Summers' book, NIYL, "Endgame".

I think L.N. Theorists will find precious little to celebrate in this book. If they are doing
a victory dance right ow, they may want to stop and read a copy.

He lays out some very coherent and plausible lines of research. And nowhere is
the lone nut story given any credence or even much consideration.

I think he's especially persuasive on the TSBD & Oswald's whereabouts.
He makes a good case for conspiracy on the Tippet shooting. He's especially
good on the mob's view of RFK & JFK. It seems RFK was waging war on mobleaders
and his tactics were similar to theirs. Abducting & deporting Marcello w/o due process
for instance.

I don't agree with Summers on Garrison. I think he gives him short-shrift.
And I have serious questions about the attempted shooting of General Walker -
not just for Summers, but for anyone.

I'm a novice. I just started reading on this because it is the 50th anniversary.
But the two books I chose to start with, Destiny Betrayed and Not in your Lifetime
I think have given me a pretty good grounding. I'll cross-check some things
on McAdams' site. But I really find the condescending tone of the LN's annoying.
And I find all their explanations of 544 Camp Street dishonest at worst and lame at best.

On 544 Camp Street, the LN'ers need to come up with something more persuasive than what they
have put forward to date. That address is absolutely critical to understanding what happened.

Curious as to why you would "cross check" anything on McAdams' disinfo site.
You will find no truth there.

Dawn

It's just how I do things intellectually. I often check out the opposite POV when I'm learning. What are the weaknesses in an author's conclusions? What's the other side? As I said, I'm just a novice here. Still learning. Is there a more reliable or concise LN site than McAdams'? Let me know what it is. I'll cross-check there.

I agree. To date, McAdams's spin has not fared well against the assertions of DiEugenio. But at least his site spares me the trouble and expense of buying Bugliosi's tome. The first thing I cross-checked was 544 Camp Street. And I already gave my opinion of McAdams' spin on that.

[Albert Doyle]

Is there a more reliable or concise LN site than McAdams'? Let me know what it is. I'll cross-check there.

I agree. To date, McAdams's spin has not fared well against the assertions of DiEugenio. But at least his site spares me the trouble and expense of buying Bugliosi's tome. The first thing I cross-checked was 544 Camp Street. And I already gave my opinion of McAdams' spin on that.

McAdams is a lying disinformationist whose premise is working plausible excuses around the conspiracy evidence. You are already correctly detecting that they come up short on Garrison and 544 Camp because they are lying and trying to deny that which is obviously true.

You are proposing an oxymoron when you refer to any Lone Nut site as being "concise or reliable". No such animal. If you argue with Lone Nutters long enough you'll see they are deliberately evading the truth with false arguments.

[Tracy Riddle]

If you're new to the subject, it's important to learn the LNer side of the story. I read all the LNer books I could find when I started out, just so I could see whether their arguments held water or not. Some of them are quite entertaining, like Jim Moore's Conspiracy of One. David Belin's books are interesting CYA exercises. William Manchester and Jim Bishop's books are not totally worthless. Some of the "instant" books put out during the Garrison investigation by the mainstream media are full of mistakes, but they are useful in seeing Operation Mockingbird in action.

You have to fully understand your opponents' arguments if you hope to fully understand your own.

McAdams does successfully debunk some of the garbage that's been introduced by the sloppier conspiracy researchers. That's about the only value in his site. There's no point in wasting time with stuff that has been disproven a long time ago.

[Jim DiEugenio]

I will be doing an essay on the Summers interview with Morley for CTKA.

And I will be going over his reliance on the McAdams crowd and his failure to update his book.

[Martin Hay]

Blackburst is one of McAdams' associates, I believe. Great company you're keeping, Summers. The next edition will probably have a forward by Bugliosi.
I'm still glad to have the first two editions of Conspiracy on my shelf, because they were good books.

For those who don't know, Blackburst also goes by the name of Stephen Roy and is very pally with Dave Reitzes. He has been working on a book about David Ferrie for many years and I'm pretty sure we can all guess what it's going to say about his relationship with Oswald and Shaw and his connections to the assassination.

[Anthony DeFiore]

Marc, 544 Camp Street has so many likes to EH Hunt, Marcello, Sergio Aracaha (sp.?) Smith, Bernard Barker, Ruby that it is ridiculous to not believe that this was not a hub of JFK Assassination conspirators...and Watergate fame!

I'm starting the last part of Summers' book, NIYL, "Endgame". I think L.N. Theorists will find precious little to celebrate in this book. If they are doing a victory dance right ow, they may want to stop and read a copy. He lays out some very coherent and plausible lines of research. And nowhere is the lone nut story given any credence or even much consideration. I think he's especially persuasive on the TSBD & Oswald's whereabouts. He makes a good case for conspiracy on the Tippet shooting. He's especially good on the mob's view of RFK & JFK. It seems RFK was waging war on mobleaders and his tactics were similar to theirs. Abducting & deporting Marcello w/o due process for instance. I don't agree with Summers on Garrison. I think he gives him short-shrift. And I have serious questions about the attempted shooting of General Walker - not just for Summers, but for anyone. I'm a novice. I just started reading on this because it is the 50th anniversary. But the two books I chose to start with, Destiny Betrayed and Not in your Lifetime I think have given me a pretty good grounding. I'll cross-check some things on McAdams' site. But I really find the condescending tone of the LN's annoying. And I find all their explanations of 544 Camp Street dishonest at worst and lame at best. On 544 Camp Street, the LN'ers need to come up with something more persuasive than what they have put forward to date. That address is absolutely critical to understanding what happened.

[Jim DiEugenio]

Summers doesn't even know that Blackburst's actual name is Roy.

Which is very indicative of his research methodology today. Which consists of surfing the web from Ireland.

He then writes up a seven year old story, which did not originate with him, and sells it to the National Enquirer. Which puts in on the cover to sell some books for him.

Its incredible how he is now under a roof with Patricia Lambert, Retizes and their new acolyte Roy.

Plus, he likes Myers work of the Tippit ballistics. Yech.

At the end of my article I am going to plead with him to walk away from the case. We don't need the new Summers. I liked the old one from 1981 better.

[Marc Ellis]

I'm puzzled by Summers' treatment of the Mexico City trip or non-trip. He thinks LHO actually made the trip and showed up at the two consulates. Yet he's very thorough about pointing out the absence of photographic, audio and film evidence that LHO was ever there. He points out the contradictions and wrong photos of Oswald. He details the obvious destruction of evidence (assuming it ever existed).

But he writes,
"Pause, though, to consider the evidence official investigations acceptedthat it was the real Oswald who pestered the Cuban officials. That evidence is persuasive if not conclusive."
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Excerpt From: Summers, Anthony. "Not in Your Lifetime." Open Road Integrated Media, 2013-09-06. iBooks.
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It's a very good book. I recommend it. But that part has me scratching my head.