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I guess I'm missing the new evidence here. The Wiegman (not Weigman) film has been known for a long time. In many of the color photos taken right after the assassination (Wilma Bond, James Towner, Arthur Rickerby, Phil Willis), you can see a tree in that location and its foliage is turning light orange-brown. This is almost certainly the "smoke" seen in a couple of frames of the B&W Wiegman film. Unless the team behind the knoll was using an 18th century musket. If there really was such a huge cloud of smoke, it would have been seen by everyone in the plaza.
Before I get called a disinformation shill by anyone, I think it's likely there were shooters on both the South and North knolls, and a few witnesses did see a whisp of smoke which very well could have come from a cigarette. One witness did report seeing cigarette butts all over the area behind the fence where the muddy footprints were.
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You are criticizing spelling? And you are thinking this cloud of smoke, puff of smoke, are Camel cigarettes. And if we had all the photos and films from the assassination, we'd have this quick wisping cloud/puff of smoke in a SWesterly wind at maybe 5 mph. If you use Gary Mack's 20 mph wind, then we are lucky to even have Weigman. Oh sorry, i before e except after c. I courtesyly and absoolutely disagree. And I hate spell check! LOL! Man, if I can only be criticized on spelling ~ I guess I'm on to something.
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Anthony DeFiore Wrote:You are criticizing spelling? And you are thinking this cloud of smoke, puff of smoke, are Camel cigarettes. And if we had all the photos and films from the assassination, we'd have this quick wisping cloud/puff of smoke in a SWesterly wind at maybe 5 mph. If you use Gary Mack's 20 mph wind, then we are lucky to even have Weigman. Oh sorry, i before e except after c. I courtesyly and absoolutely disagree. And I hate spell check! LOL! Man, if I can only be criticized on spelling ~ I guess I'm on to something.
It's not a puff of smoke, but I guess you didn't read past my first sentence.
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Tracy Riddle Wrote:I guess I'm missing the new evidence here. The Wiegman (not Weigman) film has been known for a long time. In many of the color photos taken right after the assassination (Wilma Bond, James Towner, Arthur Rickerby, Phil Willis), you can see a tree in that location and its foliage is turning light orange-brown. This is almost certainly the "smoke" seen in a couple of frames of the B&W Wiegman film. Unless the team behind the knoll was using an 18th century musket. If there really was such a huge cloud of smoke, it would have been seen by everyone in the plaza.
Before I get called a disinformation shill by anyone, I think it's likely there were shooters on both the South and North knolls, and a few witnesses did see a whisp of smoke which very well could have come from a cigarette. One witness did report seeing cigarette butts all over the area behind the fence where the muddy footprints were.
Sorry, while I don't think you're a disinformation shill, and there were teams on the N. and S. Knoll [as well as 3-4 other locations, IMO], its likely too much 'smoke' from a sharpshooter's kill weapon; but WAY TOO MUCH to be cigarette smoke!!!!!
It's something other, methinks.....................:  :
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:Sorry, while I don't think you're a disinformation shill, and there were teams on the N. and S. Knoll [as well as 3-4 other locations, IMO], its likely too much 'smoke' for a sharpshooters kill weapon; but WAY TOO MUCH to be cigarette smoke!!!!!
It's something other, methinks.....................::
With a NW wind direction it would have been blown in the direction of those who smelled gunpowder.
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Peter Lemkin Wrote:Tracy Riddle Wrote:I guess I'm missing the new evidence here. The Wiegman (not Weigman) film has been known for a long time. In many of the color photos taken right after the assassination (Wilma Bond, James Towner, Arthur Rickerby, Phil Willis), you can see a tree in that location and its foliage is turning light orange-brown. This is almost certainly the "smoke" seen in a couple of frames of the B&W Wiegman film. Unless the team behind the knoll was using an 18th century musket. If there really was such a huge cloud of smoke, it would have been seen by everyone in the plaza.
Before I get called a disinformation shill by anyone, I think it's likely there were shooters on both the South and North knolls, and a few witnesses did see a whisp of smoke which very well could have come from a cigarette. One witness did report seeing cigarette butts all over the area behind the fence where the muddy footprints were.
Sorry, while I don't think you're a disinformation shill, and there were teams on the N. and S. Knoll [as well as 3-4 other locations, IMO], its likely too much 'smoke' from a sharpshooter's kill weapon; but WAY TOO MUCH to be cigarette smoke!!!!!
It's something other, methinks.....................::
Ok, I must not have made myself clear enough.
What we see in the Wiegman film is almost certainly not smoke; it's foliage from a tree that's turning orange-brown.
The smoke other witnesses saw was not captured on film.
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Regarding the wind. I think we may have a swirl at the fence. There was a SWesterly that was reported by NOAA for 11/22/1963 (I looked it up) for that date. However, when I was at the wooden fence with a breeze blowing, you can tell that a wind was blowing. SWesterly being a wind coming and blowing towards the NE from the Southwest direction.
"guns can be shot with black powder which creates a big cloud of smoke."
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Gary Mack sent me a private e-mail a few years ago saying (I forget which one) either Redbird or Love Field recorded a NW wind that morning. There were eddies and vortexes as any curved canyon-like landscape like the Plaza will have. Hill and Moorman had their dresses blowing in a just south of West wind direction.
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Albert Doyle Wrote:Gary Mack sent me a private e-mail a few years ago saying (I forget which one) either Redbird or Love Field recorded a NW wind that morning. There were eddies and vortexes as any curved canyon-like landscape like the Plaza will have. Hill and Moorman had their dresses blowing in a just south of West wind direction.
I'm going by the Discovery Channel Show: "Inside The Target Car" when Gary Mack on film said it was a 20 mph wind from the SW. I agree that maybe at the airports the wind was at those speeds and directions.
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Education Forum under Winds In Dealey Plaza:
Quote:The weather bureau at Love Field data showed winds from the west-northwest gusting up to 20mph.
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