Obama now set to become another war president

[Peter Lemkin]

Mark, He's not your President anyway. He's our President and Problem-In-Residence. Just wait and you'll see......this is Clinton-redux cum Bush-light. But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[Tosh Plumlee]

I see it as He did not have much choice... Any one who took on this can of worms and tucked it into his belt of being the President of the United States is damned if he does and damned if he dosen't. Weather anyone knows it are not, or cares to admit it.., there are things in the night creeping through our backdoors that are about to take us out one by one. The picture is not clear by any means. However, when it happens to you then let us see how you piss and moan then.

[Mark Stapleton]

Mark, He's not your President anyway. He's our President and Problem-In-Residence. Just wait and you'll see......this is Clinton-redux cum Bush-light. But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

When it comes to geopolitics he's my President as well, since Australia slavishly follows America while it chases shadows in the Middle East and beyond.

[Mark Stapleton]

I don't get it.

Finally we agree on something.

I see.

I see you're in denial about Israel, that is. At least you and President Obama have something in common there.

When America destroys itself fighting imaginary enemies for its master, I think Israel will write the same epitaph for America as the one they've written for the Palestinians--"destroyed through poor leadership". Then they'll walk away in search of a new host.

[Magda Hassan]

Mark, He's not your President anyway. He's our President and Problem-In-Residence. Just wait and you'll see......this is Clinton-redux cum Bush-light. But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

When it comes to geopolitics he's my President as well, since Australia slavishly follows America while it chases shadows in the Middle East and beyond.

Not just that, when Australia tried to regain a semblance of soveriegnty in the 1970's and dared to question the US role here the CIA put one of their plans into action. It wasn't like Chile but we still lost our government.

[Myra Bronstein]

I don't get it.

Finally we agree on something.

I see.

I see you're in denial about Israel, that is. At least you and President Obama have something in common there.

When America destroys itself fighting imaginary enemies for its master, I think Israel will write the same epitaph for America as the one they've written for the Palestinians--"destroyed through poor leadership". Then they'll walk away in search of a new host.

Oh keep your haughty assumptions to yourself, about Israel that is. I've been plenty critical about them, but I'm capable of seeing factors in addition to Israel and I'm starting to wonder if you are. I simply think that it's been obvious for a long time that Obama is knowingly advancing the insider/Wall Street/corporate/bankers' agenda. He is not a naive idealist being manipulated by others and I don't know how anyone can continue to see him as such. His policies aren't even that different from Bush's. He's just a better packaged product.

[Myra Bronstein]

Mark, He's not your President anyway. He's our President and Problem-In-Residence. Just wait and you'll see......this is Clinton-redux cum Bush-light. But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

When it comes to geopolitics he's my President as well, since Australia slavishly follows America while it chases shadows in the Middle East and beyond.

Not just that, when Australia tried to regain a semblance of soveriegnty in the 1970's and dared to question the US role here the CIA put one of their plans into action. It wasn't like Chile but we still lost our government.

Do you think Australia ever regained their autonomy from the US after the Dismissal Maggie?

[Mark Stapleton]

Mark, He's not your President anyway. He's our President and Problem-In-Residence. Just wait and you'll see......this is Clinton-redux cum Bush-light. But sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

When it comes to geopolitics he's my President as well, since Australia slavishly follows America while it chases shadows in the Middle East and beyond.

Not just that, when Australia tried to regain a semblance of soveriegnty in the 1970's and dared to question the US role here the CIA put one of their plans into action. It wasn't like Chile but we still lost our government.

Do you think Australia ever regained their autonomy from the US after the Dismissal Maggie?

No, we're still bought and paid for apologists for Zionism. :adore:

[Mark Stapleton]

Oh keep your haughty assumptions to yourself, about Israel that is.

Hey, that's exactly what the mainstream media says.

However, since the subject matter of this thread concerns Obama becoming another war President, I can't comply with your request.

Not that I disagree with you about the bankers.

The major issue of this thread--as I see it--is this: What the hell is America supposed to achieve by being in Afghanistan? What are they fighting? Terrorism, hatred, bigotry? What?

[Magda Hassan]

Do you think Australia ever regained their autonomy from the US after the Dismissal Maggie?

No way.
But we have been such a good little doormat. The outlook of the ruling class in Australia pretty much conforms with the out look of the ruling class in the US. So in that regard is unsurprising.

I was not in the military during those events but according to my former comrades in arms who were on duty at that time and in Canberra they were on the highest alert short of an actual outbreak of war. It was expected that the 'people would revolt' and take to the streets at the actions of the Govenor General Kerr who dismissed the government and installed Fraser by decree. The sentiment to do 'something' was certainly there and thousands of people were gathered outside the parliament in Canberra and in a very black mood. But also on the steps of the parliament was one Bob Hawke then leader of the peak Trade Union body. He calmed down the situation so that there was a nice smooth transition of power back to the people who should have it. After the Fraser government was defeated 8 years later. Bob was rewarded with the Prime Ministership. He was a 'good friend of Israel' and a 'good friend of the United Sates'. A Rhodes Scholar whose father was a poor preacher in the boondocks but he retired a multimillionaire and yet is still thought of by some as the little Aussie battler's friend because he could talk the talk. but his walk was quite different. It was his government which dismantled much of the regulations and social infrastucture. Floating the AU$, privitzing government businesses, deregulating foreign investments in Australia, restricted union activities, in other words the race to the bottom. After him was another Labor man and more of the same. Then came John Howard. He was the incompetent Treasurer in the former Fraser government and a mean spirited quiet bigot of a man with a heart of lead. He was Bush's ideological soul mate. Every Australian 'leader' has begged the US to please take them on the killing missions. It was all the way with LBJ for Vietnam even if no one even knew where it was on the map in those days. Hawke insisted we be taken along for Gulf War 1. John Howard wanted to offer our military to bomb and invade Yugoslavia until Clinton reminded him that Australia is not part of NATO but then he lucked in with 911 and the aftermath in Iraq and Afghanistan and was asked by his good freind G. WW3 Bush to come and play along with Poland and Samoa. Oh, and the UK. Now Obama wants us to stay and play in Afghanistan and we probably will as we've never ever said NO. We even recognised that illegal criminal narco-state Camp Bondsteel and there was absolutely no reason to do so and every reason not to do so if looking at our interests in complying with international law.

And at present we have the embarrassing Mark Regev, an Australian, as the public face of the Israeli death machine attempting to defend the indefensible in the wanton massacre of civilians. And a very weak response from our new government on the recent bloodbath in Gaza.

The US always threaten not to share their intelligence with us if there is a slightest possibility of an independent though from our government. But 1) they don't share it all anyway 2) a fair bit of that intelligence is gathered from US bases here and 3) their intelligence looks like a bunch of BS anyway given how incompetent the intelligence agencies seem to be there.