The Five Celebrating Israelis: September 11th Foreknowledge and Possible Complicity

[David Guyatt]

I think it is a big mistake to think Israel was the 'engine' or 'control center' of the events of 9-11. IMHO, they clearly had some foreknowledge and likely played a role or roles. They couldn't have, however, planned all the war games nor effected the stand-down of our interceptors. I don't even think they could have planted the nanothermite in the WTC. A role - yes; 'their op' - no! It was a home-grown false-flag op, and we used our usual allies in this as cut outs and some also as false leads/trails for anyone who might think to investigate [they learned their lesson from Dallas]. Israeli, Saudi, Pakistani and a few other nation's intelligence - along with the creeps that crawl in the US ones [and top brass of the military and such] should all be investigated...and don't forget the Anthrax!...was all a part of it...to bring endless wars, the unPatriot Act, a state of permanent fear and a permanent war of terror - in and outside the USA.

Taken as read Pete. For me anyway.

Persons in the US developed the strategy and tasked persons in their client states to help execute it.

[Tracy Riddle]

Good thread. I remember hearing about these guys right after 9/11, and then the "document the event" remark which really proves foreknowledge. The Mossad is probably the most effective intelligence agency in the world, and they have their fingers in everything (at least as far as knowing about things in advance).

The Israelis had every motivation in the world to "let it happen" or even assist the attacks, though I agree that most of the inside plotters were Americans.

[Lauren Johnson]

Weren't the Israeli Art Students in Venice, FL in the same appt. complex as the Atta, et.al? I can't seem to verify this. Maybe I am remembering what I didn't happen.

[Magda Hassan]

I remember this too. A search might bring it up.

[Magda Hassan]

I think there is also info over at Mad Cow Prod.

[size=12]Next Door to Mohammed Atta
[/SIZE]Israeli agents were living in Florida and tailing the future death pilots until their cover was blown.by Oliver Schröm
Die Zeit
October 14, 2002
[size=12]O[/SIZE]n April 30 of last year the US Air Force sounded an alarm. The security division of the Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma City warned of an "intelligence ring of Israeli art students". American law enforcement agencies had earlier learned that a noticeably large number of Israeli students had applied for jobs at software development and technology firms that primarily served government agencies. The obvious suspicion was that the young Israelis were members of a spy ring. A specially formed task force, consisting of employees of the DEA, INS and Office of Security Programs, looked into the matter.
The young Israelis were placed under surveillance and their personal details were analyzed by computer. Die Zeit obtained the 61-page final report, according to which, 120 Israelis, organized into cells of four to six persons, formed a tightly organized and efficient espionage network. A few of the putative students were actually specialists on eavesdropping, radio technology, or counter-terrorism.
The Israelis were arrested, interrogated and subsequently deported. In the world of intelligence, espionage among friends is an everyday occurrence. In this case too many people were involved for the matter to be covered up. But both the Israeli government and American authorities tried to downplay it.
Not until after the attacks of September 11 did the consequences of the spy ring become clear. Apparently the agents were not interested in military or industrial facilities, but were shadowing a number of suspects, who were later involved in the terrorist attacks against the US. According to a report of the French intelligence agency that Die Zeit examined, "according to the FBI, Arab terrorists and suspected terror cells lived in Phoenix, Arizona, as well as in Miami and Hollywood, Florida from December 2000 to April 2001 in direct proximity to the Israeli spy cells."
According to the report, the Mossad agents were interested in the leader of the terrorists, Mohammed Atta and his key accomplice, Marwan al-Shehi. Both lived in Hamburg before they settled in Hollywood, Florida in order to plan the attacks. A Mossad team was also operating in the same town. The leader, Hanan Serfati, had rented several dwellings. "One of Serfati's apartments was located on the corner of 701st St. and 21st Ave. [sic] in Hollywood, right near the apartment of Atta and al-Shehi.", French intelligence reported later. Everything indicates that the terrorists were constantly observed by the Israelis. The chief Israeli agent was staying right near the post office where the terrorists had a mailbox. The Mossad also had its sights on Atta's accomplice Khalid al-Midhar, with whom the CIA was also familiar, but allowed to run free. The Mossad apparently warned their American counterparts several times about the terrorists, especially about al-Midhar. The American government later admitted that they had received such warnings prior to September 11. But at most that there were attacks planned against American installations outside the United States.
Die Zeit has learned that a few weeks before the attacks, Israeli intelligence gave US authorities a list with names of suspects who were staying in the US for the purpose of preparing attacks. Apparently not until shortly before September 11 did the CIA recognize that al-Midhar was dangerous and asked law enforcement agencies to look for him.

http://iraq-info.1accesshost.com/schrom.html

[Magda Hassan]

Some info here http://www.antiwar.com/israeli-files.php

[Peter Lemkin]

Weren't the Israeli Art Students in Venice, FL in the same appt. complex as the Atta, et.al? I can't seem to verify this. Maybe I am remembering what I didn't happen.

The 'art students' [really intelligence agents] were seen before 9-11 near significant places and persons who ended up playing a 'part' in the events of 9-11. It is generally believed they were gathering information on the plot and players - they did a lot of surveillance of the patsies and were seen near Atta and the 'patsy pilots' in San Diego, too. They were also just hanging out in malls around the USA - so their operation may have involved more than just 9-11. Many of them were seen in and around Washington D.C.

The Israeli Intelligence agencies for sure had foreknowledge of what was to happen on 9-11. They warned some persons to not be near. Israeli companies make and manage many of the electronic systems that are used by American Intelligence and US Military [how clever...], and they all certainly have electronic 'back-doors' in them. I believe some small active roles may have been played by the Israeli's, and after the fact pointing toward them was another diversion from looking at the REAL central cabal involved - which were mostly Americans; but 'internationalists' [in the bad sense of the term] who have no allegiance (in the normal sense) to the USA (less so to the Constitution which they shredded with the unPatriot Act)...only to their class and their 'tribe' [of wannabe secret rulers of the Planet - from a 'base' vaguely centered in the USA - but spread all around the globe - as are their money and wars - overt and covert].

[Malcolm Pryce]

Like many who first discovered deep politics with 9/11, I initially fell for the dancing Israelis and Larry Silverstein's Pull-it' comment. It was only slowly with time that I saw that these events were traps. If the Mossad had wanted to document' the fall of the Towers they could have done so discreetly, without anyone knowing. The last thing they would have done would have been to get a bunch of idiots openly filming and celebrating. Thus, the dancing Israelis were clearly drawing attention to themselves and we were meant to see them. Whether it was Mossad laying a trap to discredit the conspiracy theorists, or some other group laying a false trail to Mossad hardly matters. All that matters is that we are not fooled.

[Lauren Johnson]

Like many who first discovered deep politics with 9/11, I initially fell for the dancing Israelis and Larry Silverstein's Pull-it' comment. It was only slowly with time that I saw that these events were traps. If the Mossad had wanted to document' the fall of the Towers they could have done so discreetly, without anyone knowing. The last thing they would have done would have been to get a bunch of idiots openly filming and celebrating. Thus, the dancing Israelis were clearly drawing attention to themselves and we were meant to see them. Whether it was Mossad laying a trap to discredit the conspiracy theorists, or some other group laying a false trail to Mossad hardly matters. All that matters is that we are not fooled.

Same here, Malcolm. Well said.

I wish I could say I am among those who knew JFK was not killed by LHO as soon as he was killed if not sooner. I had no clue after 9/11 that a bunch of Arabs flew planes into the towers without a lot domestic help. I rolled my eyes at "conspiracy theorists", you know, like the "grassy knoll, then a friend of mine told me to read this book, Crossing the Rubicon. That was the beginning of a long, hard journey.

[David Guyatt]

Like many who first discovered deep politics with 9/11, I initially fell for the dancing Israelis and Larry Silverstein's Pull-it' comment. It was only slowly with time that I saw that these events were traps. If the Mossad had wanted to document' the fall of the Towers they could have done so discreetly, without anyone knowing. The last thing they would have done would have been to get a bunch of idiots openly filming and celebrating. Thus, the dancing Israelis were clearly drawing attention to themselves and we were meant to see them. Whether it was Mossad laying a trap to discredit the conspiracy theorists, or some other group laying a false trail to Mossad hardly matters. All that matters is that we are not fooled.

Same here, Malcolm. Well said.

I wish I could say I am among those who knew JFK was not killed by LHO as soon as he was killed if not sooner. I had no clue after 9/11 that a bunch of Arabs flew planes into the towers without a lot domestic help. I rolled my eyes at "conspiracy theorists", you know, like the "grassy knoll, then a friend of mine told me to read this book, Crossing the Rubicon. That was the beginning of a long, hard journey.

I confess to not having read Crossing the Rubicon. I used to read and communicate with Mike all the time.

I always felt it was a great pity that Mike got hooked by the Lieutenant Mike Vreeland story about 9/11, as it seemed pretty apparent to me that Vreeland was a disingenuous hustler - I was in contact with him as he was quoting some of my material as his own etc.

Mike was on a real roll prior to Vreeland turning up and had done some great work, and his stock had quite rightly shot up. But the Vreeland affair ultimately changed that.

Vreeland was a habitual liar and was involved with another conman, Leo Wanta, who (after months and months of researching his story) I found out was an FBI and Treasury Dept., paid confidential informant. He parleyed his confidential informant names into secret CIA type identities to support his "spy" stories. I had first come across him in Claire Sterling's book Thieves World.

To be perfectly honest, I had almost fallen for Wanta's story, but the damn fool posted some of his documents online and in his haste had included two cash vouchers from the FBI and US Treasury for CI payments (both less than $100 each) issued in the names of Rick Reynolds (SA223Ms) and Frank B Ingram (SA32NV). I managed to grab copies and emailed him about it before he realised his mistake and hastily took them down.

Which proves, I guess, how incredibly careful you have to be to work in this field when you are a one man band...