On Edwin Kaiser and Related Topics

[Scott Kaiser]

Damn, why is it that all these thoughts keep running around in my head, perhaps, I should ask one of these guy's what they know, but I can't, because Hoffa, Masferrer, Pawley and Kaiser are dead.

[Scott Kaiser]

I read this post at another forum, he says;

Now it's possible a particular section of the CIA planned and executed the assassination without the knowledge of the director or supervisors of other CIA sections. If this is the case the assassination would not fall under the auspices of the CIA. The section responsible would be considered a rogue unit within the agency.

Give this man a cigar!

However, because he feels the assassination would not fall under the auspices of the CIA how many folks did the CIA kill to cover it up, and retrieve evidence? You see, because they didn't dirty their hands, they sure helped dirty others hands who went rogue.

[Scott Kaiser]

Its like saying that someone trained me to be an assassin, and i killed someone, how could that person who trained me also not be guilty in someway?

[Lauren Johnson]

It's been pretty standard thinking here NOT to refer to The CIA as being the organization behind JFK's assassination. That's why we are the Deep Politics Forum. It is better to call his assassination as a deep event originating from the deep state. As much as your father's check, for example, was paid by a government three letter organization, many of the things he did was as a compartmentalized operative of the deep state. If you say the real government is the deep state, the sponsors and mechanics of the murder were not at all rogue. They were doing their job.

[Scott Kaiser]

the sponsors and mechanics of the murder were not at all rogue. They were doing their job.

It depends on who you mean by sponsors, I'm sure anyone would assume the "mechanics" are those doing the job. If those who did the job work for some three letter company, and went rogue sponsored by men who also worked for some three letter agency or, perhaps was a liaison with a three letter agency, like Pawley who said, "you don't have to worry about him John, we're going to kill that motherfucker," and said what he said to my father. Wouldn't you agree a sponsor as such could have gone rogue as well? A job that needed to get done, Pawley, Luis and others involved, could a guy like Pawley give Hunt the money, and because there wasn't anyone to back up Bayo in Cuba, could there of been a second team in Dallas? If you have Edwin Kaiser who is connected to Pawley and a certain group of folks, could Edwin discover some discriminating evidence from the CIA, from some man who says he took photos while in Dallas that day? The same guy who introduced Bayo to Martino? And, now the company is desperate to cover it up, retrieve the evidence, or blame the Russians?

Are these not the facts?

[Scott Kaiser]

Everyone knows about the four selected places for plotting Kennedy's assassination, Tampa, Miami, Chicago where the tragedy met its final stage in Dallas, but, how many folks know, knew about, or heard of a plot in New York. Did anyone on this board know about that plot?

[Scott Kaiser]

If not, then how did Edwin Kaiser know about it as he wrote about it in his 1973 letter?

[Peter Lemkin]

I believe Tosh Plumlee knows a LOT about Pawley and Bayo, and the mission involving them - IF he wants to tell about it.

None involved in the events of and surrounding the Dallas hit were 'rogue'...only some were made to look rogue for plausible denial. All were carrying out what they had been told to do - some with knowledge of what exactly they were participating in, some others only vaguely aware, others doing a job with little to no knowledge of what they were participating in and who was directing it - as is standard operating procedure in covert operations. This was nothing new to any of them. After the event some to save their own lives or for some life-essential reason may have on occasion done things they were not authorized/directed to do on their own initiative. These were generally rare, closely watched and usually dealt with by being eliminated.

[Scott Kaiser]

I believe Tosh Plumlee knows a LOT about Pawley and Bayo, and the mission involving them - IF he wants to tell about it.

None involved in the events of and surrounding the Dallas hit were 'rogue'...only some were made to look rogue for plausible denial. All were carrying out what they had been told to do - some with knowledge of what exactly they were participating in, some others only vaguely aware, others doing a job with little to no knowledge of what they were participating in and who was directing it - as is standard operating procedure in covert operations. This was nothing new to any of them. After the event some to save their own lives or for some life-essential reason may have on occasion done things they were not authorized/directed to do on their own initiative. These were generally rare, closely watched and usually dealt with by being eliminated.

None involved in the events of and surrounding the Dallas hit were 'rogue'

Please provide what evidence you have that proves none were rogue.

some with knowledge of what exactly they were participating in, some others only vaguely aware, others doing a job with little to no knowledge of what they were participating in and who was directing it - as is standard operating procedure in covert operations.

I was once told by someone, why should I know something I'm not suppose to know? They were there to do a job, no doubt, how could anyone say they had no idea of what they were going to do when crowds started to appear as early as 7:30-8:00 am and everyone knew who was driving through downtown Dallas. Shooters or spotters, I don't care what you want to call them, everyone involved knew what they were there for.

Here's a perfect example, a man who's Cuban fights with Fidel Castro, he learned that Castro is turning towards communism, he leaves Cuba, landing on the shores of the United States, he says he has information about Castro turning communism, he joins the CIA, he is trained by the CIA, there are several failed attempts at killing Castro by the CIA. Jack Kennedy learns these men are plotting to kill Castro, Jack orders them to stand-down, they see a chance to kill Castro and take it.

The man leaves the CIA as many have after becoming officers at Ft. Bragg, some return to the CIA while many have left the CIA, those who left the CIA were still (part-time) informants helping to create propaganda. But, they went rouge.

After the event some to save their own lives or for some life-essential reason may have on occasion done things they were not authorized/directed to do on their own initiative.

I needed to repeat what you just said;

some to save their own lives or for some life-essential reason:

You mean like impersonating three letter agencies, CIA, FBI and U.S. Customs, an officer in the United States Army, Army Intelligence and a police officer, and [never] see any prison time?

[LR Trotter]

Everyone knows about the four selected places for plotting Kennedy's assassination, Tampa, Miami, Chicago where the tragedy met its final stage in Dallas, but, how many folks know, knew about, or heard of a plot in New York. Did anyone on this board know about that plot?

Although after the fact, it was rumored a JFK assassination attempt had been planned for 11/21/'63 in Houston, along the route from the airport in southeast Houston, to the downtown area and Rice Hotel. However, an actual attempt does not appear to be likely, other than an attempt to establish another potential patsy. Or, maybe the additional patsy establishment was the reason for the rumor. There was not a slow moving motorcade, nor a zig-zag issue in an easy to recognize dark blue Lincoln limousine. Actually, the nearby highway intersection was/is a blend, and not at all slow. So, a rumor is feasible, but an actual attempt seems quite unlikely. Unless the planned attempt was for a shot to be fired, and of course a miss.