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[Scott Kaiser]

Everyone knows about the four selected places for plotting Kennedy's assassination, Tampa, Miami, Chicago where the tragedy met its final stage in Dallas, but, how many folks know, knew about, or heard of a plot in New York. Did anyone on this board know about that plot?

Although after the fact, it was rumored a JFK assassination attempt had been planned for 11/21/'63 in Houston, along the route from the airport in southeast Houston, to the downtown area and Rice Hotel. However, an actual attempt does not appear to be likely, other than an attempt to establish another potential patsy. Or, maybe the additional patsy establishment was the reason for the rumor. There was not a slow moving motorcade, nor a zig-zag issue in an easy to recognize dark blue Lincoln limousine. Actually, the nearby highway intersection was/is a blend, and not at all slow. So, a rumor is feasible, but an actual attempt seems quite unlikely. Unless the planned attempt was for a shot to be fired, and of course a miss.

This is certainly not new to me, I overlooked Houston. It certainly wouldn't have been a good place for the assassination. It may suggest why George H.W. Bush and Captain Williams of the Defense Intelligence were provided the substance of the foregoing information that was orally furnished to the Agency on November 23, 1963, the day after Jack's assassination, perhaps, to give Bush an alibi while saying he stayed in Tyler TX? When we already know Bush was at the Sheraton Hotel in Dallas. And, he blames JAMES PARROTT for a possible assassination plot on Kennedy, however, it didn't work. Why?

Perhaps;

They were already fixated on another [pasty,] Oswald may be?

[Scott Kaiser]

Now that all these cities are named as the possible plots of where Jack was going to be assassinated with Dallas being the more neutral location, even though there were anti-Castro Cubans generally located at everyone of these cities, how than could any of them be excluded? I ask the question for the last time, hoping for an answer how many people knew about the plot to assassinate Kennedy in New York? How many knew of this plot?

I rest my case.

[Scott Kaiser]

Do I have to see New York, Chicago or Dallas Texas?

The answer is NO! He didn't, but he knew who did, why was Kennedy killed? Because

they knew that the Monroe Doctrine, made by president Monroe, which was made to protect the Americans North, South and Central from infiltration's foreign and aboard was NOT Kennedy.

What does this mean exactly? What is it that my father is saying? The text my father speaks of that refers to the "Monroe Doctrine" is in reference to the Russians entering Cuba, and known Cuban and Russian communists infiltrating America. Kennedy had to go.

The Smith Act, no one was more forgiving than Kennedy when all the other agencies wanted to wage war on communism. I have given you good information, thought provocative information which any reasoning man is capable of understanding. I explore new avenues, information left behind from a man who was in the middle of it all. There is no guess work or theories based upon the information, evidence and facts I've disclosed. There is NO dogs barking to distract me from presenting my evidence, nor was there or is there any animal that ate my homework. I have made a promise, and I will deliver, whether you believe my evidence or not is none of my concern. I did what my father would have wanted me to do, and that's all that matters to me.

[Scott Kaiser]

I have given you good information, thought provocative information which any reasoning man is capable of understanding.

That includes women too, yes... You too Dawn, lol....

Sorry, I couldn't resist, and as for DVP, he may always defend what he believes, but like Posner and Bugliosi, neither could ever prove anything. That will all change soon enough.

[Scott Kaiser]

[FONT=&amp]Ron Ecker says it best, what I tried to say, but he says it better, he said,

How often it is said that some CIA faction or rogue agents were involved in the assassination but not the CIA as an organization. Well, an organization can "compartmentalize" itself until doomsday. The heads of an organization are still accountable for the actions of its employees

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What I said was,

Its like saying that someone trained me to be an assassin, and i killed someone, how could that person who trained me also not be guilty in someway?

Same thing?

The CIA was pushing for LBJ to wage war against Russia and Cuba. The CIA wanted LBJ and his WC to give more credence to the possibility that Russia and Cuba was involved in Kennedy's assassination, although, they knew it was their own 'rouge agents.'

The CIA then started to see that LBJ wasn't about to wage war, he wanted it covered up. But, wait a minute, how then can you explain Kennedy's own man John McCone as DCI in the CIA? Why should he know things that he's not suppose to know? I'm not saying everyone in the CIA are bad, just the ones who wanted to wage war with Russia and Cuba, who wanted Kennedy dead, and who created propaganda to help accuse Oswald, and those who killed people to cover-up the truth, those are the bad guys.

[Scott Kaiser]

By the way, there is some good debating going on over there, for instance;

George Sawtelle says;

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It's much too risky for the agency to murder a president. The CIA would be the prime suspect in the assassination. Even today without proof the CIA is the culprit. Getting rid of a president of the USA would be handled differently and has been handled differently in the past. If an ex-director of the CIA asked for help I'm sure the agency would comply. The agency would keep it's collective mouth shut and look the other way.
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What George seems to have a hard time understanding is the word 'rouge.' That word is not mentioned anywhere in his paragraph.

Didn't the CIA expect war to break out with Cuba?
Didn't the CIA create propaganda to accuse Oswald?
Didn't the CIA infiltrate Garrison and the HSCA?
Didn't the CIA murder innocent folks who held unto evidence?

I could go on, but I think I've made my point.

[Scott Kaiser]

Edited post #805.

[Scott Kaiser]

This is my last post for the day. I need to take a break from this headache. The link below provides a healthy argument about the CIA and their involvement, why would the CIA be involved if Plumlee says the CIA called off the assassination. Someone made mention and suspects it could've been the CIA's way of claiming deniability, and that makes sense, however. I believe that so many folks have misconstrue what Plumlee is saying. First off, if he knows the CIA called it off, then he should also know who made that call.

If it came from the top within the CIA are you saying John McCone called it off? I seriously doubt that. In order to get a grasp at how the company works, it's suggested that you surround yourself around those who worked for the company, ask questions. A lot of times orders were ignored, not followed though, many of the orders were usually given by the [station chief's] of that local area, meaning, those who were involved, just a few, and the elite knew about the operation, what do I mean by saying these orders were given by the station chief, and not the DCI.

For example, the station chief of JM/WAVE made his calls, or the station chief of Mexico made his calls, in-fact was praised for getting his information to Washington within a matter of minutes after the assassination. A lot of calls were made by others without a direct order given by the DCI in Langley. Am I making any sense here? Those who went 'rouge' made decisions on their own, now. When Plumlee says the CIA called it off, next time you speak to him, ask him, [who made the call.]

Scott Kaiser

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[LR Trotter]

Everyone knows about the four selected places for plotting Kennedy's assassination, Tampa, Miami, Chicago where the tragedy met its final stage in Dallas, but, how many folks know, knew about, or heard of a plot in New York. Did anyone on this board know about that plot?

Although after the fact, it was rumored a JFK assassination attempt had been planned for 11/21/'63 in Houston, along the route from the airport in southeast Houston, to the downtown area and Rice Hotel. However, an actual attempt does not appear to be likely, other than an attempt to establish another potential patsy. Or, maybe the additional patsy establishment was the reason for the rumor. There was not a slow moving motorcade, nor a zig-zag issue in an easy to recognize dark blue Lincoln limousine. Actually, the nearby highway intersection was/is a blend, and not at all slow. So, a rumor is feasible, but an actual attempt seems quite unlikely. Unless the planned attempt was for a shot to be fired, and of course a miss.

This is certainly not new to me, I overlooked Houston. It certainly wouldn't have been a good place for the assassination. It may suggest why George H.W. Bush and Captain Williams of the Defense Intelligence were provided the substance of the foregoing information that was orally furnished to the Agency on November 23, 1963, the day after Jack's assassination, perhaps, to give Bush an alibi while saying he stayed in Tyler TX? When we already know Bush was at the Sheraton Hotel in Dallas. And, he blames JAMES PARROTT for a possible assassination plot on Kennedy, however, it didn't work. Why?

Perhaps;

They were already fixated on another [pasty,] Oswald may be?

Although I am somewhat familiar with James Parrott report story, the rumored planned attempt on 11/21/'63 involved another potential patsy. And, it is my conclusion that it was in place in case of a problem establishing a Dallas area patsy. JMO. FWIW.

[Scott Kaiser]

Everyone knows about the four selected places for plotting Kennedy's assassination, Tampa, Miami, Chicago where the tragedy met its final stage in Dallas, but, how many folks know, knew about, or heard of a plot in New York. Did anyone on this board know about that plot?

Although after the fact, it was rumored a JFK assassination attempt had been planned for 11/21/'63 in Houston, along the route from the airport in southeast Houston, to the downtown area and Rice Hotel. However, an actual attempt does not appear to be likely, other than an attempt to establish another potential patsy. Or, maybe the additional patsy establishment was the reason for the rumor. There was not a slow moving motorcade, nor a zig-zag issue in an easy to recognize dark blue Lincoln limousine. Actually, the nearby highway intersection was/is a blend, and not at all slow. So, a rumor is feasible, but an actual attempt seems quite unlikely. Unless the planned attempt was for a shot to be fired, and of course a miss.

This is certainly not new to me, I overlooked Houston. It certainly wouldn't have been a good place for the assassination. It may suggest why George H.W. Bush and Captain Williams of the Defense Intelligence were provided the substance of the foregoing information that was orally furnished to the Agency on November 23, 1963, the day after Jack's assassination, perhaps, to give Bush an alibi while saying he stayed in Tyler TX? When we already know Bush was at the Sheraton Hotel in Dallas. And, he blames JAMES PARROTT for a possible assassination plot on Kennedy, however, it didn't work. Why?

Perhaps;

They were already fixated on another [pasty,] Oswald may be?

Although I am somewhat familiar with James Parrott report story, the rumored planned attempt on 11/21/'63 involved another potential patsy. And, it is my conclusion that it was in place in case of a problem establishing a Dallas area patsy. JMO. FWIW.

As my mother always says, should've, could've and would've, but didn't.

Sense you appear to know of a plot I've not heard of, but James, and I admit it. I'm still waiting to hear from you or anyone else, a simple answer to a question. Have you or anyone reading this post heard about the New York plot? I understand if all I get is evasive answers.