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Read Snowden’s Comments On 9/11 That NBC Didn’t Broadcast
#11
If you want to make good use of body language experts send them to the mainstream media shows on the 50th Anniversary.


Drew, that's how FBI does its dirty work. It chips away at them with body language experts etc.


What about the body language on Clapper?
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#12
Albert Doyle Wrote:What about the body language on Clapper?
Indeed. And why does that man ever get another interview? Everything he has said has turn out to be a lie yet he is still wheeled out as an 'expert' talking head worth listening to.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#13
Drew Phipps Wrote:There have been any number of "whistleblowers" that said their piece and then stayed to bear the personal consequences of their service to their country. Some of them on this same issue. That's a patriot.

He claims he wanted to join the Army, defend the Constitution, and/or take a bullet for his country, but we can see, from his flight to avoid the consequences, that's not really the case. It's apparent to me that Snowden doesn't have the courage of his alleged "convictions," and as such, is entirely unworthy to be called a "patriot". It sullies the names and memories of the million Americans that have died in service to our country to mention that term in connection with his name. (I have no specific opinion about whether what he has done constitutes "treason.")

Neither does he qualify as a "whistleblower" in that he failed to bring his specific concerns up the chain of command, nor resign his position in protest. There are many folks who contribute to this website that, daily, show more of the courage of their convictions than Snowden can muster.

He did try to bring it to the attention of the people up the food chain. Nothing was done. And I don't hold it against him that he tries to seek asylum elsewhere. Currently in Russia. There are convictions and there is insanity. He likely would have been disappeared into the secret American gulag system and we'd never hear from him again nor he see the light of day. Certainly no such thing as a fair trial or justice when it comes to the national security state and its secret and closed legal system.

Drew Phipps Wrote:"Before Edward Snowden's interview with NBC's Brian Williams, body-language expert Dr. Nick Morgan considered Snowden a young guy who got a hold of a bunch of classified documents and was just telling his story about exposing intrusive American surveillance.
"I came away [from the NBC interview] with a very different impression," Morgan, a top U.S. communication theorist and best-selling author, told Business Insider. "As a body-language expert, I'd say this is a disingenuous performance, which surprised me."
A particularly telling moment came when Brian Williams asked Snowden, "What is your relationship with the host government?" Morgan, who didn't previously know that Snowden's Moscow lawyer is a Putin loyalist linked to the FSB, was struck by Snowden's lack of eye contact and the slowing of his voice as he denied having any relationship with the Kremlin.
"He was obviously lying," Morgan said.
The result is that Dr. Morgan, who sympathized with Snowden over the past year, now believes that Snowden is hiding something.
"I wouldn't trust anything the man said," Morgan told Business Insider. "There is something else going on here." "

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/body-lang...z33REfveE5

I'm sure we'll be hearing from the "micro-expression" experts in due course.

That's a silly question to ask him really. What did they expect him to say? He is on temporary asylum in Russia as long as Putin is in power. Things may change and he is hardly in a position of security even if he is safe for the moment. He has already stated that he has been extensively interviewed by the Russian intel services. He doesn't have any thing to give them even he if wanted, and he doesn't, because Greenwald and Potrias have all the data. He is not like a spy selling secrets to Russia but an asylum seeker needing protection from his own country's rogue national security state. He probably thought he was talking to an idiot or being set up and wanted to break away and end the meaningless conversation.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#14
The only evidence we've seen thus far that Snowden tried to bring this matter to the attention of his superiors is an email asking a legal question about the priority of various statements of the law by different parties. He did not mention the surveillance programs at all. If this is all the evidence he has, his "whistleblower" defense won't be worth the paper it's printed on. Most real whistleblowers, realizing there is gonna be trouble, make the effort to collect the written proof of these notifications. The fact that Snowden didn't, either says a) there isn't any or b) he knew that he wasn't going to need it.


Now, I acknowledge that any other notification evidence would be in the possession of the one party least likely to voluntarily cough it up. And I also know that any of Snowden's ex-co-workers are unlikely to step forward to corroborate his story. But all that should have been obvious to Snowden as well.
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#15
Seriously, Drew, things have changed a LOT in this country since the days of Daniel Ellsberg. Maybe you haven't noticed. There isn't any justice for truth-tellers today. They are likely to end up being prosecuted, silenced or disappeared.
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#16
I'm not a lawyer and don't know the ins and out of Whistle-blower Laws but he is fully accepted by real whistle-blowers such as Ellsberg, Rowley, Edmonds, Drake, Tice and McGovern as the real thing. Most of them have spent time with him in Moscow.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#17
Drew, you're not defending those national security state monsters against Snowden?
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#18
Tom Secker just about nails it here, I think:

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
― Leo Tolstoy,
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#19
RKL: I'm sensing a fast track to Best Picture, Best Director, etc. at the Academy Awards. ::doh::
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
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#20
I am not defending NSA against anyone. You should be profoundly suspicious of everything they say and do to protect themselves and conceal the truth from us. Although I am glad that we are hearing the truth about the extent of the electronic surveillance, I think we should also be profoundly suspicious of Snowden and his alleged motives as well. As far as being prosecuted, that's what I mean. If you don't have the courage of your convictions to stand up and face down the government in court, you got no business being a "whistleblower."

Snowden's actions make other true whistleblowers look like traitors by association. If I was guessing, I'd guess that was the exact purpose of the entire exercise.
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