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I thought about creating something like this, but I could tell it wouldn't be long before it became impossible to read because of the millions of intersecting lines.

It might be better to create something like this:

Name
[size=12]Names of Primary Associates
[size=12]Names of Secondary Associates
[/SIZE]
[size=12]Names of possible associates


example:

[size=12]Lee Harvey Oswald
George deMohrenschildt
[size=12]Dave Ferrie
[/SIZE][size=12][/SIZE]David Atlee Phillips
[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
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#13
Scott Kaiser Wrote:
T Harry Evans Wrote:
Scott Kaiser Wrote:Interesting you have Pawley and Alpha 66, but I believe you're over looking the group Pawley sponsored as did the CIA, and where more of a splinter in the side of Kennedy than any other group in my opinion, and that's DRE. I don't see them anywhere.

Scott

Hi Scott,

Are you saying that Alpha 66 is not nearly as significant as I make it out to be?
I would say that although Operation 40 is the primary assassination squad the CIA used in 1963, it is not a credible shooting-squad.
Clay Shaw in my view used his CMC to hire some French shooters from the OAS or perhaps the French Foreign Legion, and arranged for them to fly to Dallas.
One of these shooters was Jean Rene Soutre, an Alpha 66 member and OAS captain:

Quote:
  • OAS had contact in New Orleans with anti-Castro groups
  • In March-April 1963, Souetre met with Howard Hunt (of Watergate and Bay of Pigs infamy) in Madrid.
  • In April-May 1963, Souetre met with Gen. Edwin Walker (who Oswald allegedly shot at) in Dallas.
  • Souetre trains that summer with Alpha 66 and the 30th of November (both anti-Castro groups) in the New Orleans Mandeville region.
  • Their headquarters' location in New Orleans: 544 Camp Street.
  • OAS' Mandeville "cell" worked closely with elements of the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA).
  • Centro Mondiale Commerciale was, by the US government's own admission, a CIA front.
  • CMC channeled money to OAS.
  • CMC's parent company founded by the CIA, PERMINDEX, was filled with Nazis and neo-Nazis.
  • President Charles de Gaulle publicly blamed PERMINDEX for attempting to assassinate him.
  • CMC president Ferenc Nagy, longtime asset of CIA DDP Frank Wisner, was, according to de Gaulle, a "munificent contributor" to OAS supporter Jacques Soustelle.
  • On the board of directors for CMC: Clay Shaw, indicted for murder of JFK by Jim Garrison.
If Alpha 66 headquarters were based in 544 Camp Street and one of its members was present in Dallas on Nov. 22nd and expelled from the US within 48 hours of the assassination, surely it is natural to assume that Alpha 66 were involved to some degree in coordinating the shooting?

Hi THE,

Quote:Are you saying that Alpha 66 is not nearly as significant as I make it out to be?


No, I'm not saying that, I personally know Antonio Veciana, and he told me that Oswald did in-fact met with David Phillips at least a haft a dozen times that he personally knows of and just weeks before the assassination. What I am saying is DRE who was the group that played a more significant roll in setting up Oswald. I have also spoken to Carlos Quiroga, I'm sure you know who he is don't you?

As for Watergate there are things I know about that I write about in my book, that I don't believe very many people know. H. Hunt came to our house in Hialeah a few times.


Quote:Clay Shaw in my view used his CMC to hire some French shooters from the OAS or perhaps the French Foreign Legion, and arranged for them to fly to Dallas.


I'd like to say in my father's defense that he was poking his nose into Kennedy's assassination, don't ask me why. I don't know, all I know is he did. My father I believe would have heard something had the French Foreign Legion been involved. My father was in the French Foreign Legion until 1957, and remained in France until he could get his Visa to come back to the States in 1959, he also belonged to the American Legionaries until he died, so, I don't give the French Foreign Legion any credibility for Kennedy's assassination, sorry.

Again, my mistake, my father joined the FFL in 1957, and remained until 59. He returned to the U.S. in 1960. Sorry, about the typos errors in the years.
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#14
Tracy Riddle Wrote:I thought about creating something like this, but I could tell it wouldn't be long before it became impossible to read because of the millions of intersecting lines.

It might be better to create something like this:

Name
[size=12]Names of Primary Associates
[size=12]Names of Secondary Associates
[/SIZE]
[size=12]Names of possible associates


example:

[size=12]Lee Harvey Oswald
George deMohrenschildt
[size=12]Dave Ferrie
[/SIZE]David Atlee Phillips
[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]

Thanks Tracy, this is actually a really neat format you've proposed. I might use this if you don't mind?

Question: would the secondary associates have to be associates of the primary associates, or is it just for the Name at the top?

I am finding the intersecting lines are a problem and so I was considering leaving out the incidental associations and prioritising so that I'm left with only the associations completely relevant to the assassination.
Of course the importance/relevance is open to wide interpretation.
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#15
T Harry Evans Wrote:
Tracy Riddle Wrote:I thought about creating something like this, but I could tell it wouldn't be long before it became impossible to read because of the millions of intersecting lines.

It might be better to create something like this:

Name
[size=12]Names of Primary Associates
[size=12]Names of Secondary Associates
[/SIZE]
[size=12]Names of possible associates


example:

[size=12]Lee Harvey Oswald
George deMohrenschildt
[size=12]Dave Ferrie
[/SIZE]David Atlee Phillips
[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]

Thanks Tracy, this is actually a really neat format you've proposed. I might use this if you don't mind?

Question: would the secondary associates have to be associates of the primary associates, or is it just for the Name at the top?

I am finding the intersecting lines are a problem and so I was considering leaving out the incidental associations and prioritising so that I'm left with only the associations completely relevant to the assassination.
Of course the importance/relevance is open to wide interpretation.


OMG! Yes, oh yes Tracy this is an incredible format now, all that needs to be done is attach every single person connected to Lee Oswald. That should be a short list, than connect every name with Phillips, should be even shorter, lol... Just kidding with you Tracy, no hard feelings eh? Only joking... Trying to help out THE who seems to think or puts words in my mouth by asking if what I'm really saying is that "Alpha 66 is not nearly as significant as I make it out to be", I suppose there are folks who do not read exactly what I'm saying.

I suppose some folks take it offensive when someone is trying to help, and I'm suppose to give my information away, Lord! I can only imagine what folks would do with it if they're not reading what I say correctly.
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#16
T Harry Evans Wrote:
Tracy Riddle Wrote:I thought about creating something like this, but I could tell it wouldn't be long before it became impossible to read because of the millions of intersecting lines.

It might be better to create something like this:

Name
[size=12]Names of Primary Associates
[size=12]Names of Secondary Associates
[/SIZE]
[size=12]Names of possible associates


example:

[size=12]Lee Harvey Oswald
George deMohrenschildt
[size=12]Dave Ferrie
[/SIZE]David Atlee Phillips
[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]

Thanks Tracy, this is actually a really neat format you've proposed. I might use this if you don't mind?

Question: would the secondary associates have to be associates of the primary associates, or is it just for the Name at the top?

I am finding the intersecting lines are a problem and so I was considering leaving out the incidental associations and prioritising so that I'm left with only the associations completely relevant to the assassination.
Of course the importance/relevance is open to wide interpretation.

Sure, you can use it.
The other names only apply to the first name at the top. George DM was a close friend of Oswald (other primaries would be his mom, Marina, Robert, etc). Secondaries would be people Oswald had a lesser connection to (the Paines, Roy Truly, Earlene Roberts). Possibles would be people he may have been associated with, but we can't be 100% sure (Gerald Patrick Hemming, for example).
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#17
Scott Kaiser Wrote:
T Harry Evans Wrote:
Tracy Riddle Wrote:I thought about creating something like this, but I could tell it wouldn't be long before it became impossible to read because of the millions of intersecting lines.

It might be better to create something like this:

Name
[size=12]Names of Primary Associates
[size=12]Names of Secondary Associates
[/SIZE]
[size=12]Names of possible associates


example:

[size=12]Lee Harvey Oswald
George deMohrenschildt
[size=12]Dave Ferrie
[/SIZE]David Atlee Phillips
[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]

Thanks Tracy, this is actually a really neat format you've proposed. I might use this if you don't mind?

Question: would the secondary associates have to be associates of the primary associates, or is it just for the Name at the top?

I am finding the intersecting lines are a problem and so I was considering leaving out the incidental associations and prioritising so that I'm left with only the associations completely relevant to the assassination.
Of course the importance/relevance is open to wide interpretation.


OMG! Yes, oh yes Tracy this is an incredible format now, all that needs to be done is attach every single person connected to Lee Oswald. That should be a short list, than connect every name with Phillips, should be even shorter, lol... Just kidding with you Tracy, no hard feelings eh? Only joking... Trying to help out THE who seems to think or puts words in my mouth by asking if what I'm really saying is that "Alpha 66 is not nearly as significant as I make it out to be", I suppose there are folks who do not read exactly what I'm saying.

I suppose some folks take it offensive when someone is trying to help, and I'm suppose to give my information away, Lord! I can only imagine what folks would do with it if they're not reading what I say correctly.

It would only include people who are of some significance, not every person who knew Oswald in the Marines, in grade school, in the USSR, etc.
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#18
Tracy Riddle Wrote:I thought about creating something like this, but I could tell it wouldn't be long before it became impossible to read because of the millions of intersecting lines.

It might be better to create something like this:

Name
[size=12]Names of Primary Associates
[size=12]Names of Secondary Associates
[/SIZE]
[size=12]Names of possible associates


example:

[size=12]Lee Harvey Oswald
George deMohrenschildt
[size=12]Dave Ferrie
[/SIZE]David Atlee Phillips
[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]

The people at Gnostic Media use some connection tracking software they call The Brain. I don't know if this is available to others or if it is in-house. Maybe contact them. It looks pretty good.
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
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#19
Lauren Johnson Wrote:The people at Gnostic Media use some connection tracking software they call The Brain. I don't know if this is available to others or if it is in-house. Maybe contact them. It looks pretty good.


Yes, it's available. Paid software http://www.thebrain.com/

There is a ton of interesting mind mapping and idea concept software out there. Lots of it free too.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#20
Scott Kaiser Wrote:
T Harry Evans Wrote:Thanks Tracy, this is actually a really neat format you've proposed. I might use this if you don't mind?

Question: would the secondary associates have to be associates of the primary associates, or is it just for the Name at the top?

I am finding the intersecting lines are a problem and so I was considering leaving out the incidental associations and prioritising so that I'm left with only the associations completely relevant to the assassination.
Of course the importance/relevance is open to wide interpretation.


OMG! Yes, oh yes Tracy this is an incredible format now, all that needs to be done is attach every single person connected to Lee Oswald. That should be a short list, than connect every name with Phillips, should be even shorter, lol... Just kidding with you Tracy, no hard feelings eh? Only joking... Trying to help out THE who seems to think or puts words in my mouth by asking if what I'm really saying is that "Alpha 66 is not nearly as significant as I make it out to be", I suppose there are folks who do not read exactly what I'm saying.

I suppose some folks take it offensive when someone is trying to help, and I'm suppose to give my information away, Lord! I can only imagine what folks would do with it if they're not reading what I say correctly.
Hey Scott, Harry has his own very unique connection to the assassination and groups and people associated with it. Just different to yours.Different circles. Different wheels and cogs of the same machine. But a rich and fascinating history nonetheless. Maybe Harry could fill Scott in?
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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