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Israeli Attack on Gaza: 2014 Version
#61
Israel as occupying power is required to rebuild and make good everything destroyed. They have categorically said they refuse to spend a penny on any thing in Gaza.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

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#62
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#63
Magda Hassan Wrote:Israel as occupying power is required to rebuild and make good everything destroyed. They have categorically said they refuse to spend a penny on any thing in Gaza.

Israel, of course, has a very simple rejoinder to your 'proposal of responsibility', which is: there is no occupation; thus they have no responsibility. I know it is absurdly false ::cuckoo::, but with the USA playing along on this the Palestinians are in deep trouble unless help comes from Europe and the Arab nations....somewhere!
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#64
Magda Hassan Wrote:


What a wonderful human being and speech.....and in Parliament! May there be many more like him everywhere!
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#65
Yes! We need more like him every where. I don't know too much about him politically. I do know he almost single handedly decriminalised homosexuality in Ireland, no small thing given the historical hold of the Catholic church there and that he had a 10 year relationship with an Israeli man and has lived in Israel. So I think he is speaking with some authority on the changes in Israeli society.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#66
https://archive.org/details/AV_160-INSIDE_ISRAEL

Israeli citizen and Peace Now activist Ilan Ziv gives us startling
insights into the psychology of his country's leaders and
citizens. He also evaluates the peace movement in Israel and the
peace protests within the Israeli armed forces. Most revealing,
however, is his analysis of the great affect the Holocaust had on
the Israeli psyche--particularly that of this generation of
Israeli leaders--which has caused severe psychological
distortions, resulting in a country and leadership unlike no
other on earth.
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#67

IDF-Embedded Reporter Says It Fired Guided Missile at UNWRA School, Killing 15 Civilians

by Richard Silverstein on August 5, 2014 in Mideast Peace


[Image: unrwa-school-shooting-small.jpg] Zino's report confirming the IDF fired a guided missile at an UNWRA school which killed civilians.

An Israeli reporter for Maariv, Aviram Zino, has been embedded with an IDF unit during the current invasion. Noam R writes in his Israeli political blog about Zino's fawning enthusiastic response to being given the chance of a lifetime to be a reporter in the middle of the "action." His reporting comes across as cheerleading rather than objective journalism. But in spite of himself, Zino reveals a damning fact that impeaches the IDF's credibility regarding its denial of deliberately targeting UN buildings housing Palestinian civilian refugees.
Zino reports that the unit commander, Nadav, ordered the firing of a $100,000 Tamuz (aka Spike) heat-seeking anti-tank missile on a UNWRA school in Beit Hanoun on July 24th:
Nadav tried to clarify what means were available to him. A survey of the field shows clearly fire coming from an UNWRA school in the center of Gaza. The order is given and a Tammuz missile is fired at the school. The commanding general, who arrives later for a press conference, says in response: "This is yet another example of Hamas' cynical use of civilian structures for the purposes of terror."
It's a bit aggravating since the unit tried from the beginning of the Operation to do minimal damage, as best as possible, to the "uninvolved" [military jargon for "civilians"].
15 Palestinian civilians died from this missile and 150 were injured. As Noam R points out in his blog post, this is the first eyewitness, definitive evidence that the IDF deliberately ordered a lethal guided-weapon (not indiscriminate artillery fire) to be fired at a civilian building in Gaza knowing there were unarmed non-combatants inside who would be killed.
Two things to point out about this report. Clearly, Zino didn't see firing from the school. He trusted the unit commander's word that such fire had been confirmed. But by whom and how is not mentioned. Second, the commander speaking at the press conference only notes the attack by the IDF on the school without explaining how it justified killing civilians. Zino, in the closing sentence, admits explicitly that the attack was both disproportional and knowingly attacked civilians. As Sara Lee Whitson says in the paragraph below: that "is a war crime."
In fact, Human Rights Watch's Sarah Leah Whitson spoke about Israel's responsibility to Gaza's civilian population:
…The…presence of…civilians despite a warning to flee cannot be ignored when attacks are carried out, as Israeli forces have done previously.

"Warning families to flee fighting doesn't make them fair targets just because they're unable to do so, and deliberately attacking them is a war crime," Whitson said.
In other words, you may not attack a civilian target containing unarmed civilians using heavy lethal weapons, even if you believe there are armed fighters engaged in combat operations against you. The safety of civilians trumps any desire to eliminate the armed threat, if there is one. This is reinforced by the fact that the IDF never presents any proof of its claims that armed fighters are firing from such structures and didn't do so in this particular case.
There is yet another instance of serious IDF prevarication. Army spokesperson Lt. Col. Lerner told AP 900 Palestinian fighters had been killed during the war. Yet the IDF itself only two days before had put that number at 300. When asked why it jumped so much, AP characterized his response:
Lerner said the figure of 900 militants killed was an approximation, based on reporting from individual Israeli units, but provided no further detail.
In other words, "900″ is nothing more than the old Vietcong "body count" released by the U.S. army to persuade the press it was killing gooks and winning the war. The truth turned out to be quite different, as it will be in Gaza as well.
Palestinian and UN reports place the number of dead fighters at 20% of the overall total, which is 1,900. That would mean that 380 militants were killed. My own Israeli source reports more candid IDF claims that 500 fighters have been killed. Certainly, the final number will be somewhere between 380-500, but nowhere near Lerner's prevaricating claim of 900.
My Operation Protective Edge debrief yesterday argued that while both sides had gotten bloody noses, Hamas, simply by remaining standing, had gotten the better of Israel. Sheera Frenkel interviewed soldiers leaving Gaza and they uniformly told her they believed both that their objectives hadn't been clear going into Gaza, and now that the Operation had ended, they hadn't "gotten the job done." Meaning, don't believe the PR-bloviating you'll hear from Benny Gantz and Bibi Netanyahu saying that Hamas had been dealt a mortal blow, that Israel had achieved all its objectives, etc. None of that happened. As Arnold Schwarzenegger says in Terminator: "I'll be back!" Of that you can be sure. War is a never-ending phenomena as far as Israel is concerned.
One final word about the utter futility of Israel's policy toward Gaza. International bodies are now organizing a conference to pledge reconstruction aid to Gaza. This is a ridiculous undertaking. It is just what the world did the last time Israel attacked Gaza in Operation Cast Lead. Not to mention that Israel prevented most of the aid from entering Gaza for its intended purpose. Why should the world bear the responsibility to reconstruct Gaza when it didn't destroy it? The onus should be squarely on Israel to do so. And if it refuses, as it clearly would, then further action must be taken to force it to accept responsibility. Of course, this would never happen under existing circumstances. But those circumstances will and must change.
If Israel wants to ravage the Middle East and destroy the territory of its neighbors, then it must pay the price.

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/0...r+Place%29
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#68
http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/discours...uding.html

Although less deadly, this war of words offers a telling look into ongoing intellectual shifts in the Israeli and Zionist mainstream, revealing what experts argue is an increasingly violently racist and sexist Zionist worldview.
Diana Buttu, a Palestinian lawyer and a former member of the PLO negotiating team, told Ma'an that in the weeks since the Israeli assault began she has received a deluge of hundreds of hateful emails and violent threats. Although she is accustomed to hate mail, she said that the tone and quantity is "unprecedented."
"In the past I used to get messages calling me crazy or out of my mind, but now they're telling me things like kill all Muslim scum,' along with organized groups of Israelis who regularly send me emails swearing at me."
She said that every single one of the hundreds of emails she has gotten in the last few days have used either racist or sexist language including rape threats and a total of 0 expressed polite disagreement or substantive arguments.
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#69
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
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#70
To avoid the need to negotiate the release of captives with the Palestinians, IDF issued directives, ordering the use any force necessary to prevent the capture of its soldiers, even if it leads to the death of its own soldiers...
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Hannibal
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OccupyTLV, August 4 - regarding the killing of Lieutenant Hadar Goldin and the 'Hannibal protocol', Haaretz daily published this morning the article, linked below. [1] The article should be deemed vague and ambiguous...
In comparison, one could read the Wikipedia item "Hannibal Directive", which should be considered edited by IDF, the i24News report, and Richard Silverstein on the same subject. [2-4]
Of particular interest is Silverstein's claim that reporting on this subject was the reason for the IDF attempt to censor a NYT reporter in Israel last week. [4] The incident was reported, but without details, regarding the subject of the censorship.
There is no doubt that the issue of 'Hannibal protocol' is a sensitive issue in Israel today. However, it is difficult to figure out what are the rules of conduct that the Israeli governmet is trying to enforce in this matter. It appears that it is permitted to talk about the subject, including on radio and TV, but it should not be detailed in writing in Israel, unless in English... Sounds confusing...
One thing is clear: With the passage of time, it is going to be one of the main issues that would be permanently linked to the current catastrophic round of violence in Gaza.


UPDATE: August 5, 2014
The Israeli daily Haaretz editorial today, linked below, is still circumspect. Enough details were released, to make a reasonable person conclude that IDF knew that Lieutenant Hadar Goldin was dead already on Friday, in the the immediate aftermath of the incident.



2014-08-05 Investigate what happened in Rafah_Haaretz
www.haaretz.com/opinion/1.608902



UPDATE: August 7, 2014
Haaretz Hebrew edition (but not the English one) today carries an opinion piece, calling for the immediate revoking of the Hannibal procedure. Other news reports in recent days record the acceptance of the procedure by the family of the late Lieutenant Hadar Goldin, and by Lieutenant Eitan, the two main figures in the most recent application of the procedure. Both appear to be part of what is generally described as the "religious-national" sector in Israeli politics, and the procedure stands in clear violation of Halachah - Jewish religious law.

2014-08-07 A nightmare called "Hannibal procedure"_Haaretz
http://www.haaretz.co.il/opinions/1.2398073



LINKS
[1] 2014-08-04 Dozens of innocents killed in IDF's 'Hannibal' protocol_Haaretz
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.608715
[2] Hannibal Directive_Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hannibal_Directive
[3] 2014-08-04 Israeli army employed 'Hannibal Protocol' to prevent officer's abduction_i24News
http://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/diplomacy-defense/39129-140804-israeli-army-employed-hannibal-protocol-to-prevent-officer-s-abduction
[4] 2014-08-02 IDF Censor Tells NY Times It Must Censor Future Reports on Killing of Lt. Hadar Goldin_ RICHARD SILVERSTEIN
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/08/02/idf-censor-tells-ny-times-it-cannot-report-it-killed-2nd-lt-hadar-goldin/
[5] 2011-10-31 IDF Discusses 'Hannibal Protocol,' Designed To Prevent Soldier Abduction
http://matzav.com/idf-discusses-hannibal-protocol-designed-to-prevent-soldier-abduction
[6] 2014-08-01 Report: IDF implemented Hannibal Protocol right after kidnapping
http://israelmatzav.blogspot.co.il/2014/...tocol.html
[7] 2014-08-01 Hadar Goldin and 'Hannibal Directive': Israel's Nightmare Dilemma to Stop Soldier Becoming Hamas Pawn
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/hadar-goldin-ha...as-1459367
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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