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Scotish independence
#1
Do I correctly sense a cold sweat and panic breaking out in Whitehall at the looming prospect of a 'Yes' vote in Scotland referendum?

Cataluna is doing the same in Spain with the same results from Madrid. Basque sure to follow.
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#2
Aye. But I'm a cynic and harbour a modest suspicion that this was a done deal anyway. It has always struck me as odd, from day one. Let's remember how many members of our political elite are Celts. The name Cameron, as in David, has a distant plaid skirt background doesn't it? So many Scots have run the UK over the decades, we English desperately need representation.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#3
I lifted this from Craig Murray's website. I'm a fan of Murray, but in this case I can see an alternative reason why the sea border was changed than the one he presents.

Did today's vote for independence directly grow out from the 1999 agreement for Scotland to have it's own Parliament?

The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#4
Can't see the benefit unless they get their own currency. Will not be independent with a Pound or Euro.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#5
Magda Hassan Wrote:Can't see the benefit unless they get their own currency. Will not be independent with a Pound or Euro.

Yep. It's all very odd. The entire thing has to have a financial raison d'être, but damned if I can figure it out...
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#6
Certainly can understand that the Tories have well and truly fucked them over and over. And been totally taken for granted by Labour. And the North Sea oil money has been pissed against the wall on god knows what as there is nothing to show for it unlike Norway. But they need to have their own currency if they really want independence. And they don't want to replace one lot of inbred political caste for the same Scottish version. It needs to be a clean break from that tradition. Hopefully they will keep the NHS or Scottish variant. I hear the education system there is good and free.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#7
If Scotland votes yes, the winners in the English Parliament will be the Conservative Party, as Labour have over 40 Scottish MP's and the Conservatives have only one. This would translate as the Labour party being unable to win the next election. And, of course, it was Cameron who personally approved the Scottish Referendum vote.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#8
Labor will give us a Tony Blair like candidateThe Liberals have been a big time sellout to the elite. Mammon will rule with more wars and more drastic cuts in social welfare programs, not only in the U.K., but all over the world. Professor Carroll Quigley warned us about this in his book "Tragedy and Hope."
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Kenneth Kapel Wrote:Labor will give us a Tony Blair like candidateThe Liberals have been a big time sellout to the elite. Mammon will rule with more wars and more drastic cuts in social welfare programs, not only in the U.K., but all over the world. Professor Carroll Quigley warned us about this in his book "Tragedy and Hope."

Have absolutely no confidence in Milliband. Either of them. Can imagine their father turning in his grave. So few in Labour of any worth. The party well and truly neutered. LibDemCons just appalling on every level.

Maybe all the socialistically inclined will have to move to Scotland? But the weather! Can it be worse than England?
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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Independent Scotland won't pay back debt, Alex Salmond says

First Minister reportedly taunted the Westminster government over whether an independent Scotland should take on its share of the national debt, saying: "What are they going to do invade?"

Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond gives the thumbs up Photo: PA









11:50PM BST 09 Sep 2014


Alex Salmond has reportedly taunted the Westminster government over whether an independent Scotland should take on its share of the national debt, saying: "What are they going to do invade?"

The First Minister was said to have made the comments when pressed about how the Government would react to a decision by a newly independent Scotland to leave the Union without shouldering its share of national debt.

The comments were reported by ITV News, citing sources close to the First Minister, although they were dismissed as "total nonsense" by Mr Salmond's spokesman.

Last week Danny Alexander, the Chief Secretary to the Treasury, said an independent Scotland would have to borrow money at interest rates comparable to payday loans firm Wonga if it walked away from its UK public debt share.

Mr Alexander said Scotland would be punished with extortionate borrowing costs, equivalent to those set by the payday lender, if it reneged on its debt.

The news came as Mr Salmond compared next week's Scottish referendum to the vote which brought an end to apartheid in South Africa.
Four million Scots will be asked to answer yes or no to the question: "Should Scotland be an independent country?" in the referendum.
In remarks at a rally of foreign supporters of the Yes campaign outside St Giles Cathedral on Edinburgh's Royal Mile, he said that the referendum campaign felt to him like the first elections in South Africa after the end of apartheid.
Those elections in 1994 resulted in the election of Nelson Mandela as president of South Africa, bringing down a curtain of 300 years of white rule.
Mr Salmond said: "Last Monday I saw something which I did not ever think I would see in my political life. In Dundee, I saw people queuing up and it was not a short queue, it was a long queue to register to vote.
"Almost reminiscent of the scenes in South Africa that some of us of a certain age remember from 20 years ago or so when people queued up to vote in the first free elections. I saw people queuing up to put in their registration forms to vote.
"People who frankly couldn't give a stuff about political parties or any politician are now engaged joyfully in this electoral process, and, just for the absence of any doubt, they weren't queuing up to vote No, they were queuing up to vote Yes."
A poll published this week suggested that as many as 84 per cent of Scots aged 16 and over will vote in the referendum next week far in excess of the numbers who normally vote in elections.
Earlier on Tuesday Mr Salmond urged pro-independence Scots to "pop round" for Sunday lunch with their grandparents in a concerted drive to win over Unionist pensioners.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/s...-says.html
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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