Morales assassins: Bolivia gang "fought in Balkans"

[Jan Klimkowski]

To Jan Klimkowsky:

Interesting misspelling of my name.

Quite a revealing one in fact.

Za dom - spremni!

Razumijete?

Ho, I am an interesting man.

I allready wrote that english is not my mother language. Sorry for the misspelling.

Don't apologize to me.

It's not the misspelling. It's the nature of the misspelling.

Most revealing.

Lucky you, forum members, don't have to live this experience (yet). The only thing that we can offer to the world now is cocaine (production increases dramatically due Morales protection), coz he has destroyed the main industyes of my country. No jobs, no future, no hope.

For another view:

Bolivia raids 'huge cocaine lab'


President Evo Morales is claiming a big success against drugs traffickers

Drug enforcement officials have raided what they call the biggest cocaine laboratory ever found in Bolivia.
The facility, said to have the capacity to produce up to 100kg (220lb) each day, was discovered in a rural area of the department of Santa Cruz.
The government described the raid as the most important success against drug traffickers for a long time.
A senior Bolivian anti-narcotics officer, Oscar Nina, said five Colombians were arrested.
The factory is the fourth major facility of its kind to be discovered so far in 2009, Bolivian authorities say.
They say that in all cases a number of Colombian nationals were arrested, accused of working in association with local groups of Bolivian drugs traffickers.
Bolivian Interior Minister Alfredo Rada said it appeared the factories had been operating for about a year.
He accused US anti-narcotics agents of having failed to detect them.
Tension with US
Bolivia suspended the activities of the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) within its borders in November 2008, after accusing US officials of conspiring against the left-wing government of President Evo Morales.
Last week. the US confirmed that it would cut trade benefits for Bolivia, and re-impose some import duties on Bolivian goods.
Washington alleged that senior Bolivian officials were encouraging the production of coca, the raw material that is used to make cocaine.
Bolivian President Evo Morales accused US President Barack Obama of slander and lies over the decision.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8137449.stm

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...ht=bolivia

[Jan Klimkowski]

Of course, the true stance of Evo Morales on coca makes him a major threat to the intelligence agencies and multinationals that run the international narcotics trade.

Morales to Propose Decriminalization of Coca at UN (Update1)
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By Jonathan J. Levin
March 10 (Bloomberg) -- Bolivian President [url=http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Evo+Morales&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1]Evo Morales heads to Vienna today to ask a United Nations commission to reverse its 48-year-old decision to qualify the coca leaf as a narcotic, Foreign Minister David Choquehuanca said.
The 1961 Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs also said chewing of the coca leaf, the raw ingredient in cocaine, must be abolished within 25 years. Coca is consumed widely by Bolivians who say it helps them endure long hours at high altitudes and quell hunger. The leaf is also used in religious ceremonies.
“We believe the ‘61 convention is unjust; one can’t criminalize a natural plant,” Choquehuanca said late yesterday. Morales is scheduled to speak tomorrow.
Morales, a former coca farmer, has encouraged the industrialization and possible exportation of coca products such as teas and liqueurs since taking office in 2006. Bolivia is the third-biggest producer of coca in the world after Colombia and Peru. Morales says he opposes cocaine production and that the drug needs to be managed by controlling consumption in the U.S. and Europe.
“We can’t go against a culture, and that’s what the international community has to understand,” Choquehuanca said.
Morales’s popularity has grown amid a surge in Bolivian nationalism that glorifies indigenous culture and demonizes the U.S. for its coca eradication programs. A new constitution approved in January for the first time protects coca as a cultural heritage and a “factor in social cohesion.”
Expulsions
Choquehuanca also said the coca leaf has nutritional value.
Morales yesterday ordered the expulsion of U.S. diplomat Francisco Martinez, saying he conspired with opposition groups against the government. He didn’t elaborate on the reasons for the expulsion.
Morales declared U.S. Ambassador Philip Goldberg “persona non grata” in September and ordered the expulsion of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration on Nov. 3, accusing both of trying to undermine his government.
U.S. State Department press officer Fred Lash said the U.S. rejects the accusation.
“While this behavior might yield political dividends in Bolivia, it certainly does not bode well for efforts to solve our differences through honest dialogue and positive actions,” U.S. Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana, the ranking Republican on the Foreign Relations Committee, said in a statement.
To contact the reporter on this story: Jonathan J. Levin in La Paz at Jlevin20@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: March 10, 2009 17:17 EDT

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...php?t=1000

[Ruben Mundaca]

What a funny little boy you are. American joke, I gess.:

Nope, the only America joke around here is...you.

Seems that you are not different from the ones you blame, isn't it?... And in your poor little mind, you have allready categorized me. Amazing !!! :congrats:

Thanks, I thought it pretty excellent, too, to have got your number after a paragraph and a half. If you need assistance in spotting any similar Agency drivel on other fora, let me know. My rates are reasonable, the detection rapid, and the results surprisingly enjoyable.

By the way, here's what's really irking your masters:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/...or-economy

Latin America's economic rebels

Ecuador and Bolivia are achieving remarkable growth because they reject conventional economic wisdom

By Mark Weisbrot

guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 28 October 2009 15.00 GMT

Among the conventional wisdom that we hear every day in the business press is that developing countries should bend over backwards to create a friendly climate for foreign corporations, follow orthodox (neoliberal) macroeconomic policy advice and strive to achieve an investment-grade sovereign credit rating so as to attract more foreign capital.

Guess which country is expected to have the fastest economic growth in the Americas this year? Bolivia. The country's first indigenous president, Evo Morales, was elected in 2005 and took office in January 2006. Bolivia, the poorest country in South America, had been operating under IMF agreements for 20 consecutive years, and its per-capita income was lower than it had been 27 years earlier.

Evo sent the IMF packing just three months after he took office, and then moved to re-nationalise the hydrocarbons industry (mostly natural gas). Needless to say this did not sit well with the international corporate community. Nor did Bolivia's decision in May 2007 to withdraw from the World Bank's international arbitration panel, which had a tendency to settle disputes in favour of international corporations and against governments.

But Bolivia's re-nationalisation and increased royalties on hydrocarbons has given the government billions of dollars of additional revenue (Bolivia's entire GDP is only about $16.6bn, with a population of 10 million people). These revenues have been useful for a government that wants to promote development, and especially to maintain growth during the downturn. Public investment increased from 6.3% of GDP in 2005 to 10.5% in 2009.

Bolivia's growth through the current world downturn is even more remarkable in that it was hit hard by falling prices for its most important exports – natural gas and minerals – and also by a loss of important export preferences in the US market. The Bush administration cut off Bolivia's trade preferences that were granted under the Andean Trade Promotion and Drug Eradication Act, allegedly to punish Bolivia for insufficient co-operation in the "war on drugs".

In reality, it was more complicated: Bolivia expelled the US ambassador because of evidence that the US government was supporting the opposition to the Morales government, and the ATPDA revocation followed soon thereafter. In any case, the Obama administration has so far not changed the Bush administration's policies toward Bolivia. But Bolivia has proven that it can do quite well without Washington's co-operation.

Ecuador's leftist president, Rafael Correa, is an economist who, well before he was elected in December 2006, understood and wrote about the limitations of neoliberal economic dogma. He took office in 2007 and established an international tribunal to examine the legitimacy of the country's debt. In November 2008 the commission found that part of the debt was not legally contracted, and in December Correa announced that the government would default on roughly $3.2bn of its international debt.

He was vilified in the business press, but the default was successful. Ecuador cleared a third of its foreign debt off its books by defaulting and then buying the debt back at about 35 cents on the dollar. The country's international credit rating remains low, but no lower than it was before Correa's election, and it was even raised a notch after the buyback was completed.

The Correa government also incurred foreign investors' wrath by renegotiating its deals with foreign oil companies to capture a larger share of revenue as oil prices rose. And Correa has bucked pressure from Chevron and its powerful allies in Washington to drop his support of a lawsuit against the company for alleged pollution of ground waters, with damages that could exceed $27bn.

How has Ecuador done? Growth has averaged a healthy 4.5% over Correa's first two years. And the government has made sure that it has trickled down: healthcare spending as a percent of GDP has doubled, and social spending in general has expanded considerably from 5.4% to 8.3% of GDP in two years. This includes a doubling of the cash transfer programme to poor households, a $474m increase in spending for housing, and other programmes for low-income families.

Ecuador was hit hard by a 77% drop in the price of its oil exports from June 2008 to February 2009, as well as a decline in remittances from abroad. Nonetheless it has weathered the storm pretty well. Other unorthodox policies, in addition to the debt default, have helped Ecuador to stimulate its economy without running too low on reserves.

Ecuador's currency is the US dollar, so that rules out using exchange rate policy and most monetary policy for counter-cyclical efforts in a recession – a significant handicap. Instead, Ecuador was able to cut deals with China for a billion-dollar advance payment for oil and another $1bn loan.

The government also has begun requiring Ecuadorian banks to repatriate some of their reserves held abroad, expected to bring back another $1.2bn, and it has started repatriating $2.5bn in central bank reserves held abroad in order to finance another large stimulus package.

Ecuador's growth will probably come in at about 1% this year, which is pretty good relative to most of the hemisphere. For example, Mexico, at the other end of the spectrum, is projected to have a 7.5% decline in GDP for 2009.

The standard reporting and even quasi-academic analysis of Bolivia and Ecuador says they are victims of populist, socialist, "anti-American" governments – aligned with Venezuela's Hugo Chávez and Cuba, of course – and on the road to ruin. To be sure, both countries have many challenges ahead, the most important of which will be to implement economic strategies that can diversify and develop their economies over the long run. But they have made a good start so far, by giving the conventional wisdom of the economic and foreign policy establishment – in Washington and Europe – the respect it has earned.

Hahahahaha !!!... If that post is an example of your skills, you better do something else, my friend. Now I know why you are so cheap !!! Tks, but I pass..hahahaha!!!

I am amazed how people outside of my country are so missinformed.

1.- The encreasing money recived by government is not due to Morales nacionalizations. Is due to the big increment in taxes done to pertoleum companies by a former chief congressman hated to death by Morales. The advantage of this rule was that keeps companys specialized employees while government take the big money and dont have to pay the oil companies. But brilliant Morales come when the nations ark was allready reciving big money, and nationalize the companies, having to PAY them hundreds of millions of needed dollars. Very good business (for the oil companies) that take the money and their specialized personnel an run away very,very happy. Now, whe have a state company that is unable to produce, unable to explore new gas fields, whe are IMPORTING gasoline for cars, importing diesel, even importing gas for cooking our foods !!!...Brilliant..!!!
2.- When Morales come to government, Bolivia allready was awarded by the millenium account due to negotiations of former presidents with creditors, that allow to cut in less that a half the bolivian external debt. Now Morales claim that international reserves has climbed as never in history. What he don't say is that internal debt has incredible climbed too. The bolivian citizen debt per capita is the highest in his hole history, largely surpassing his international reserves. Thanks, Morales !!!.....
3.-Due to illegal restriction to export soya beans and other goods, the former dinamic agricultural and oil companies are barely surviving, having to put tousands of jobless in the streets, not to mention some other thousands that lost their jobs due to finishing comertial relations with USA. He does that for "dignity", coz he doesent want DEA arround to withness and control coca and cocaine production, coz the farmers that produce are politicall allies of Morales. In fact, he takes that decission after the brothers of a notorius coca Union leader (a woman) allied to Morales, where caugth by DEA trafficking hundreds of cocaine kilos. Those allies are not in jail (are free now) and the judge has declared them "not guilty" hahahahaha...... Thanks, Morales !!!...

I can continue all day telling you the Morales "economic miracles", but I an tired now.

[Ruben Mundaca]

To Jan Klimkowsky:

Interesting misspelling of my name.

Quite a revealing one in fact.

Za dom - spremni!

Razumijete?

Ho, I am an interesting man.

I allready wrote that english is not my mother language. Sorry for the misspelling.

Don't apologize to me.

It's not the misspelling. It's the nature of the misspelling.

Most revealing.

Lucky you, forum members, don't have to live this experience (yet). The only thing that we can offer to the world now is cocaine (production increases dramatically due Morales protection), coz he has destroyed the main industyes of my country. No jobs, no future, no hope.

For another view:

Bolivia raids 'huge cocaine lab'


President Evo Morales is claiming a big success against drugs traffickers

Drug enforcement officials have raided what they call the biggest cocaine laboratory ever found in Bolivia.
The facility, said to have the capacity to produce up to 100kg (220lb) each day, was discovered in a rural area of the department of Santa Cruz.
The government described the raid as the most important success against drug traffickers for a long time.
A senior Bolivian anti-narcotics officer, Oscar Nina, said five Colombians were arrested.
The factory is the fourth major facility of its kind to be discovered so far in 2009, Bolivian authorities say.
They say that in all cases a number of Colombian nationals were arrested, accused of working in association with local groups of Bolivian drugs traffickers.
Bolivian Interior Minister Alfredo Rada said it appeared the factories had been operating for about a year.
He accused US anti-narcotics agents of having failed to detect them.
Tension with US
Bolivia suspended the activities of the US Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) within its borders in November 2008, after accusing US officials of conspiring against the left-wing government of President Evo Morales.
Last week. the US confirmed that it would cut trade benefits for Bolivia, and re-impose some import duties on Bolivian goods.
Washington alleged that senior Bolivian officials were encouraging the production of coca, the raw material that is used to make cocaine.
Bolivian President Evo Morales accused US President Barack Obama of slander and lies over the decision.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8137449.stm

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...ht=bolivia

Obly to answer...uff
Coca crops leaves are used to chew by bolivians and peruvians. In the case of Bolivia, not any crop leaves is used for chewing.
The coca brewed in LOS YUNGAS region is the one used to chew, because has more tender and small leaves that doesent hurt the lips and tonge. According to studies made in conjuntion with univesity, 12000 hectareas are more than enough to fill all the requirements of chewing, which Yungas has.

Evo Morales allies are from CHAPARE region, not Los Yungas.The coca crops brewed there produce a very hard and bigger leaves, has almost the double of alcaloid content, not able to chew. But they are reaching 30.000 hectareas now !!...coca framers are now destroying El Choré near national park and planting more and more coca crops unable to chew. Where go that production ?.... make a little gess.

If colombian and mexican trafficants are here, is because they find something interesting, isn't it ?... and Morales is getting rid of his allies competence by catching them.

And the police force?... fine, thanks.

You have to know that what Morales SAY is very different what Mrales DO.

[Jan Klimkowski]

Of course, contra Ruben Mundaca, it is far more likely that the hugely lucrative international drugs trade is run by western and eastern intelligence agents - rogue and/or sanctioned - in collaboration with criminal elements and certain multinational financial institutions.

There's plenty of evidence in the Drugs directory here at DPF:

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...y.php?f=75

Evo Morales' call to "decriminalize" the coca plant, which provides indigenous Bolivians with physiological and spiritual sustenance, is in reality a threat to the deep black forces who write the laws banning these substances and then profit so massively from the illegal narcotics trade.

:call2:

[Paul Rigby]

...his hole history...

Please, no more: I can't quite make up my mind whether you're digging one, or merely speaking out of it.

Droll chaps, these Langley ventriloquists.

A much more interesting question than anything posed by Ruben's unconvincing inversions is why here and why now? Is Ruben a throwaway while someone much more plausible slides into membership and begins the task of patient, cautious ingratiation? We shall see.

Above all, however, is the thought - Is this what the US taxpayer gets to fund in lieu of adequate health care for all, warm and well-equipped schools, bridges that don't shed their parts as if summer plummage?

The answer, I'm afraid, is yes.

The United States - Upper Volta with thermonuculear rockets. And lots and lots of under-employed secret policemen (and women).

[Ruben Mundaca]

Of course, contra Ruben Mundaca, it is far more likely that the hugely lucrative international drugs trade is run by western and eastern intelligence agents - rogue and/or sanctioned - in collaboration with criminal elements and certain multinational financial institutions.

There's plenty of evidence in the Drugs directory here at DPF:

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...y.php?f=75

Evo Morales' call to "decriminalize" the coca plant, which provides indigenous Bolivians with physiological and spiritual sustenance, is in reality a threat to the deep black forces who write the laws banning these substances and then profit so massively from the illegal narcotics trade.

:call2:

Not really, Jan...
For me, is far more likely that any drug trade is keeped out of my country.

I don't want to make you cry with stories of kids trapped by drugs living in the channels of my city and any bolivian city. Municipal organizations try to rescue them, but... there are so much !!!.... and growing evryday....because cocaine is cheap and easy to find. All the cocaine that trafficants can't export, is selled here.

Expending (selling) coca leafs for traditional uses is legal in my country many, many years ago (since spanish conquerors, actually. Formerly, in the Inca conquered territoryes, all the subjets were banned to chew coca leaves under penalty of immediatly death. Only the god Inca, his family, priests, and those authorized by god Inca can chew it. That's why is called "sacred leaf").

The habit of chewing was encouraged by spanish conquerors in order to extend the laboral journey. So, chewing coca is not "traditional". Actually, It's "colonial".

Many things have been sayed to justify the over-production of coca. There are little companies that actually produce tea from it, thoothpaste, etc.. None of those products has catched the consumer attention (I have tryed and, to be honest, tasted very bad).

Claims have been done that coca has nutritional value. It actually has, but not for humans, but for animals like...... cows . Human have no double stomach or rumen as cows, for example, so is very hard for human stomach to take those nutrients from the coca leaf.

Actually, coca consumpiton has been identify as one of causes of malnutrition. Because people that chew don't eat the amount needed of food, coz they doesen't feel hungry. Some guy told me justifying that is because they don't have food to eat, but with the price of coca leafs at Bs. 40 at pound, you can buy a lot of food here in Bolivia, enough for you and your family actually.

The truth is that coca is a big millonaire business controlled totally by coca farmers, mostly indigenous, so you will hear a lot of more justifications for his production, because the millions it yields. That's ok. with me and most of bolivian people, unless is not tranformed in cocaine. Sadly, it happens with nearly 80% of the coca produced.

[Ruben Mundaca]

...his hole history...

Please, no more: I can't quite make up my mind whether you're digging one, or merely speaking out of it.

Droll chaps, these Langley ventriloquists.

A much more interesting question than anything posed by Ruben's unconvincing inversions is why here and why now? Is Ruben a throwaway while someone much more plausible slides into membership and begins the task of patient, cautious ingratiation? We shall see.

Above all, however, is the thought - Is this what the US taxpayer gets to fund in lieu of adequate health care for all, warm and well-equipped schools, bridges that don't shed their parts as if summer plummage?

The answer, I'm afraid, is yes.

The United States - Upper Volta with thermonuculear rockets. And lots and lots of under-employed secret policemen (and women).

Paul, you REALLY NEED a doctor... :eek:

[David Guyatt]

Not really, Jan...
For me, is far more likely that any drug trade is keeped out of my country.

Ruben, while you are, of course, entirely entitled to your views, I cannot help but observe that in this respect they are very unworldly and naive. Once the narcotics trade is established in a country the immense power of the cartels and those others in foreign governments and business who are complicit in it will never allow it to be eradicated. Why should they? It generates well over $1 trillion annually. And that figure is at least a decade and a half old - which was when I last checked it out.

I would direct you to professor Peter Dale Scott's book: Cocaine Politics: Drugs, Armies and the CIA in Central America. Ditto prof. Alfred McCoy's: The Politics of Heroin - CIA Complicity in the Global Drugs Trade.

Besides these two books the DPF has a fairly decent archive on this subject.

The habit of chewing was encouraged by spanish conquerors in order to extend the laboral journey. So, chewing coca is not "traditional". Actually, It's "colonial".

I also would direct you to post-WWII history and the development of the drug trade in Bolivia and other Latin nations thanks to the remnants of Nazis who escaped justice at Nuremberg. SS-Hauptsturmführer Klaus Barbie being one of them. Barbie worked for US intelligence post WWII during his sojourn in Bolivia. Yes, the "Butcher of Lyons" was protected by the US who went out of their way to hinder him being brought to justice in France.

The truth is that coca is a big millonaire business controlled totally by coca farmers, mostly indigenous, so you will hear a lot of more justifications for his production, because the millions it yields. That's ok. with me and most of bolivian people, unless is not tranformed in cocaine. Sadly, it happens with nearly 80% of the coca produced.

The truth is that coca is a truly global business that impacts upon every developed and undeveloped nation in the world; that it continues - virtually unimpeded - because of western political and financial considerations and because it generates billionaires by the score. By far the greatest profit stream is retained not by indigenous coca farmers but by geographically external drug lords, big businessmen and other movers and shakers. This fact is easily established by the vast street value mark-up in western cities.

Forgive me for speaking plainly, but you clearly are very poorly informed on the international reverberations on this trade. But at least you're in the right place to become a great deal more informed about it if this is your ambition?
[/quote]

[Magda Hassan]

Of course, contra Ruben Mundaca, it is far more likely that the hugely lucrative international drugs trade is run by western and eastern intelligence agents - rogue and/or sanctioned - in collaboration with criminal elements and certain multinational financial institutions.

There's plenty of evidence in the Drugs directory here at DPF:

http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...y.php?f=75

Evo Morales' call to "decriminalize" the coca plant, which provides indigenous Bolivians with physiological and spiritual sustenance, is in reality a threat to the deep black forces who write the laws banning these substances and then profit so massively from the illegal narcotics trade.

:call2:

Not really, Jan...
For me, is far more likely that any drug trade is keeped out of my country.

I don't want to make you cry with stories of kids trapped by drugs living in the channels of my city and any bolivian city. Municipal organizations try to rescue them, but... there are so much !!!.... and growing evryday....because cocaine is cheap and easy to find. All the cocaine that trafficants can't export, is selled here.

Expending (selling) coca leafs for traditional uses is legal in my country many, many years ago (since spanish conquerors, actually. Formerly, in the Inca conquered territoryes, all the subjets were banned to chew coca leaves under penalty of immediatly death. Only the god Inca, his family, priests, and those authorized by god Inca can chew it. That's why is called "sacred leaf").

The habit of chewing was encouraged by spanish conquerors in order to extend the laboral journey. So, chewing coca is not "traditional". Actually, It's "colonial".

Many things have been sayed to justify the over-production of coca. There are little companies that actually produce tea from it, thoothpaste, etc.. None of those products has catched the consumer attention (I have tryed and, to be honest, tasted very bad).

Claims have been done that coca has nutritional value. It actually has, but not for humans, but for animals like...... cows . Human have no double stomach or rumen as cows, for example, so is very hard for human stomach to take those nutrients from the coca leaf.

Actually, coca consumpiton has been identify as one of causes of malnutrition. Because people that chew don't eat the amount needed of food, coz they doesen't feel hungry. Some guy told me justifying that is because they don't have food to eat, but with the price of coca leafs at Bs. 40 at pound, you can buy a lot of food here in Bolivia, enough for you and your family actually.

The truth is that coca is a big millonaire business controlled totally by coca farmers, mostly indigenous, so you will hear a lot of more justifications for his production, because the millions it yields. That's ok. with me and most of bolivian people, unless is not tranformed in cocaine. Sadly, it happens with nearly 80% of the coca produced.

The problems of drugs in Bolivia are not caused by Morales or his government. You can blame the US directly for all of that. For many years Bolivia was just a branch office of US Crime Inc. complete with an intergrated military and Operation Paperclip Nazis http://www.consortiumnews.com/1990s/consor24.html Ah... the good old days when private enterprise ruled and workers and the natives knew their place. So much more efficient. A large part of the US antipathy towards Bolivia is because they no longer have a free reign there to operate their black business. Not to mention that they set a terrible example, like Cuba, that small nations can be independent of the US.

Since Morales has been in government cocaine confiscation has incresed enormously:

And interestingly even more so since they no longer have the 'help' of the US DEA http://www.deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/...php?t=1752

Every year since Evo Morales took office cocaine seizures have more than doubled and each year the amount of land for cocoa production has decreased by 20%
2006: 27,500 hectares
2007: 25,000 hectares
2008: 22,000 hectares