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Is This The Long Awaited Pandemic?
#21
Look at Novavax's stock surge since Friday.

http://www.google.com/finance?hl=en&ie=U...ab=we&um=1

Researchers from Novavax and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention vaccinated mice and ferrets with H1N1. All of the immunized mice and ferrets were protected when exposed to a lethal dose of the 1918 influenza virus, and those animals that were immunized by the intranasal route were also protected against a lethal dose of a highly pathogenic bird flu strain.

This is the first time protection against strains with different HA types has been reported. Having one vaccine which can protect against multiple strains of flu would be a great help when faced with pandemic flu situations, such as the current swine flu outbreak. A vaccine which can protect against multiple strains of flu is ideal for agencies such as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who stockpile vaccines for administration during the first wave of the pandemics.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article...html?cat=5
"If you're looking for something that isn't there, you're wasting your time and the taxpayers' money."

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#22
The first case was seen in Mexico on April 13. The outbreak coincided with the President Barack Obama’s trip to Mexico City on April 16. Obama was received at Mexico’s anthropology museum in Mexico City by Felipe Solis, a distinguished archeologist who died the following day from symptoms similar to flu, Reforma newspaper reported. The newspaper didn’t confirm if Solis had swine flu or not.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2...refer=home

Obama met in Mexico City with the director of the city's Museum of Anthropology, who died a week later from symptoms similar to flu. According to Mexico health officials, he did not have swine flu but had a preexisting condition and died of pneumonia.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/...1972.story
"If you're looking for something that isn't there, you're wasting your time and the taxpayers' money."

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#23
Bruce Clemens Wrote:The first case was seen in Mexico on April 13. The outbreak coincided with the President Barack Obama’s trip to Mexico City on April 16. Obama was received at Mexico’s anthropology museum in Mexico City by Felipe Solis, a distinguished archeologist who died the following day from symptoms similar to flu, Reforma newspaper reported. The newspaper didn’t confirm if Solis had swine flu or not.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2...refer=home

Obama met in Mexico City with the director of the city's Museum of Anthropology, who died a week later from symptoms similar to flu. According to Mexico health officials, he did not have swine flu but had a preexisting condition and died of pneumonia.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/...1972.story


My, my, What a coincidence!.....add to that Rumsfeld's connections to the 'cure' and voila.....time for an investigation outside of the purely medical one....don't hold your breath [unless some with the flu sneezes near you].
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
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#24
Very interesting isn't it? Assassination (attempt) by virus? Reminds me of the attempt on Carter by the two whose names contained 'Lee Harvey Oswald' Just a warning about who is in charge. I wonder how Obama is taking it all? I wonder who arranged the visit to Mexico? And when?
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

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#25
Magda Hassan Wrote:Very interesting isn't it? Assassination (attempt) by virus? Reminds me of the attempt on Carter by the two whose names contained 'Lee Harvey Oswald' Just a warning about who is in charge. I wonder how Obama is taking it all? I wonder who arranged the visit to Mexico? And when?

Well, as far as I know the President and top officials regularly take several drugs to ward-off antrax, flu and other diseases. There are also easier ways to kill a President [Dallas or (fill-in the assasination or accident)]. If it was such, it also put the whole f'n Planet at risk. Now 110 dead and counting.....

....the most frightening thing I just heard was an interview with a top World virologist who said he sees signs the virus is now starting to form more virulent forms [this is a natural process with this kind of new virus the human body is not used to]. If this happens [and it can continue to happen over and over], things will be very grim indeed. It seems [best I can find out now - very limited information] that the incubation period is about one week [when the person is symptomless]...the longer, the more dangerous they will / can infect others without knowing it. This is the middle range of incubation period, but not a good number.

The most puzzling thing is that the only dead have been in Mexico, while by the odds some in the USA and elsewhere should also find it fatal. Second, it is most virulent to those in the age range 20-40, just as the 'Spanish Flu' of 1918. It seems to be a new varient of that old one perhaps? Flu usually most effects the very young and the very old - and show NO preference for nationality. Many puzzles here. One other thing. Read the article below and not the timing - just days before the flu outbreak....hmmm.....

http://www.boston.com/news/science/artic...n_mystery/


WASHINGTON - The US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases in Frederick, Md., is under investigation by the Army's Criminal Investigation Command for the possible disappearance of some of its stock of deadly pathogens, an Army spokesman said.

The Frederick News-Post reported yesterday that since at least February, agents have been trying to discover what happened to pathogens that may have gone missing from 1987 to 2008. The investigation coincides with the suspension of most research at the Army lab in February as authorities attempt to find errors in an inventory of their biological materials.

Christopher Grey, public affairs chief for the Criminal Investigation Command, confirmed yesterday that the command is investigating the possibility of missing virus samples from the institute. "We have an ongoing investigation at Fort Detrick," Grey said, but he declined to say when the investigation began or when it is likely to be completed.

The investigation seems to center on missing samples of Venezuelan equine encephalitis, a mosquito-borne virus that usually causes a mild flulike illness but can also cause brain inflammation and death. It has potential for use as a biological weapon, but is far less lethal than some other agents the lab works with, such as anthrax bacteria and Ebola virus.

The News-Post cited two support staff members who said they had been questioned by investigators from Fort Meade, Md., about missing samples of the virus. Alan Schmaljohn, a longtime scientist at the lab who now works for the University of Maryland, said he had also been questioned two or three months ago as someone who once had access to the virus.

"They caught me on my cellphone on the road and I stopped and talked to them for quite a long time," Schmaljohn said.

Schmaljohn said it wasn't clear from the questions exactly what the investigators sought, though he believed they wanted to know what happened to three missing vials carrying small quantities of the virus.

"The number of vials is utterly meaningless," Schmaljohn said. "Three vials missing is no indication of any evildoing. . . . It's almost equivalent to saying you're missing 3 cents out of the national budget. . . . From the scientists' point of view it is inconsequential, but from the regulator's point of view it is an indication of sloppiness, and they are finally going to take rugged action."

A problem in accounting for Venezuelan equine encephalitis was what triggered the earlier suspension of most research at the lab. A spot check in January found 20 samples of the virus in a box of vials instead of the 16 that had been listed in the institute's database, Caree Vander Linden, the spokeswoman for the institute, said in February.

The lab has been under heavy pressure to tighten security since anthrax attacks in 2001 that killed five people and sickened 17 others. FBI investigators think the anthrax strain used in the attacks originated at the Army lab, and its prime suspect, Bruce E. Ivins, researched anthrax there. Ivins committed suicide last year.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#26
I suspect that there are more effective ways to threaten him but time and place certainly are very interesting.

Quote:The most puzzling thing is that the only dead have been in Mexico, while by the odds some in the USA and elsewhere should also find it fatal. Second, it is most virulent to those in the age range 20-40, just as the 'Spanish Flu' of 1918. It seems to be a new varient of that old one perhaps? Flu usually most effects the very young and the very old - and show NO preference for nationality.
The holy grail for some eugenicists is to have a racially targeted means to reduce the population. Hitler tried to achieve this in a very heavy handed uncouth way but perhaps in the near future with the miracle of modern science..... it will once again be Springtime for Hitler and Germany

By the way, nothing like the threat of a pandemic to take people's minds off the continued bankers coup/ unemployment/ homelessness/ war and what a good way for the installation of draconian social control measures? Perhaps with a free bail out to Big Pharma thrown in for good measure.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#27
Magda Hassan Wrote:I suspect that there are more effective ways to threaten him but time and place certainly are very interesting.

Quote:The most puzzling thing is that the only dead have been in Mexico, while by the odds some in the USA and elsewhere should also find it fatal. Second, it is most virulent to those in the age range 20-40, just as the 'Spanish Flu' of 1918. It seems to be a new varient of that old one perhaps? Flu usually most effects the very young and the very old - and show NO preference for nationality.
The holy grail for some eugenicists is to have a racially targeted means to reduce the population. Hitler tried to achieve this in a very heavy handed uncouth way but perhaps in the near future with the miracle of modern science..... it will once again be Springtime for Hitler and Germany

By the way, nothing like the threat of a pandemic to take people's minds off the continued bankers coup/ unemployment/ homelessness/ war and what a good way for the installation of draconian social control measures? Perhaps with a free bail out to Big Pharma thrown in for good measure.

Geneva - The Swiss pharmaceutical giant Roch, maker of influenza medication Tamiflu, saw its stock price rise 3.8 per cent in early trading Monday on the Zurich exchange on the back of the global swine flu outbreak. During the avian flu epidemic the drug was used heavily, particularly in South Asia.

Shares in Roche were trading at close to 145 Swiss francs (126 dollars), up over five francs since the opening.

Martina Rupp, a spokeswoman for Roche, said Tamiflu was deemed to be effective against the swine variant.

"Tamiflu can always be used," she explained, noting that as an antiviral, unlike vaccines, it did not need to be adjusted to specific strains of flu.

The research department at Roche was however looking into dosing schemes, checking to see "how much and for how long," meaning how many pills should be taken and over what period, to achieve maximum effectiveness.

Rupp said Roche had donated in recent years 5 million doses of Tamiflu to the World Health Organisation.

Of these, 2 million were distributed "to stockpiles in countries not yet well prepared" in the developing world. From the remaining doses, the company had 1.5 million doses in Switzerland and an identical amount in the US on standby as a "fire-blanket," to be distributed if needed in case of a pandemic.

"We are waiting for WHO to ask us to deploy," Rupp said, noting that the company had the capacity to ramp up production if that was requested by the international organization. She added that in 2005, the full production capacity was never used.

The WHO was preparing for the second meeting of its International Health Regulation Committee on Tuesday, after having convened one session over the weekend.

A World Health Organization official said on Sunday that the world was better prepared for the current situation of swine flu, owing to steps taken by governments during the avian outbreak, including the stockpiling of needed drugs.
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I don't know how many such pills are stockpiled, but the talk here of 13 million pills [no doubt there are many multiples more, but there are nearly 7 billion people and one takes this many times, not just once, to be effective!] Is there even enough to even take care of Mexico City? - who are they kidding?!

Just heard the USA only has enough for 20% of the population...hmmm.....great.:elefant: I hope Katrina will not be the 'model' of who gets and who gets not.....
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#28
I have about as much nouse on these things as a cake fairy, but I did notice the following alarum. Whether it has any validity or not I have no idea. Better minds than mine need to enquire.

http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1986

Quote:Do Not Take A Swine Flu Vaccine!
by paulb on Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:33 am

Do Not Take A
Swine Flu Vaccine!
From Patricia Doyle, PhD
4-25-9

Hello Jeff -

I am making a plea to everyone who reads this, please, please DO NOT TAKE ANY VACCINE THAT IS PURPORTED TO 'PREVENT' THIS FLU.

Remember 1976 and the so called Swine Flu outbreak that was purported to be a coming pandemic? It only infected recruits at Ft. Dix. Why? Because I believe that the so called Swine Flu virus infected the recruits due to the vaccines they were given. Whether the government developed the Swine Flu 1976 virus and infected the recruits as a means to test the public to see if people would comply with a call to take vaccination against Swine Flu, or the recruits became infected via contaminated vaccine they were given as part of the recruit regimen, that outbreak was as phony as they come. I was one of the people duped into taking a Swine Flu shot and it made me so sick. I was sick in bed for three months after taking the vaccine.

Do not take seasonal flu vaccine if you are told that it could help prevent this brand new Swine Flu variant. It won't do a thing to prevent this flu. What it will do is serve up new genetic material to the Swine Flu virus that I have dubbed Spanish Flu 2, the Sequel. The Spanish Flu variant will use the gene sequences in the vaccine in humans to develop more of the changes that make the virus more readily infect humans. We do not want to give this virus more human genetic material so that it will infect humans more readily person to person. This is what vaccinated individuals do for pandemic strains.

There is also a safety issue in any experimental vaccine, much like the one in 1976. Some people even feel that such a vaccine for pandemic strain might require more than one vaccination which could actually be a binary set up. The first shot might just add some genetic code that stays dormant in the body until one gets the second vaccine shot which then serves to only cause infection. It could trigger Guillain-barre syndrome, Typhus or some other condition.

An Influenza vaccine does not protect or prevent a person from contracting flu. It is purported to, maybe, prevent some complications of flu and maybe shorten duration. I am not even sure it does that. Personally, I feel the vaccine weakens our immune system and also sickens us due to contaminants in the vaccine. I feel that people can better protect themselves by washing hands often and thoroughly. People should also use protective gloves when out and about during epidemics. Don't be afraid of "looking odd." I would not be ashamed to use a mask and gloves. I see that the Mexicans are using them.

A big problem during a pandemic is that these simple supplies will become extremely scarce awfully quickly. Stock up now. Medical supplies. personal hygene supplies and don't forget fido, or any other pet. Once a pandemic hits, it will be too late to stock up. Water, too.
We may lose clean water and electric power, so be prepared.

So, please, people, DON'T TAKE ANY VACCINES OFFERED. THEY COULD KILL YOU BEFORE ANY VIRUS KILLS YOU.

Pat Doyle


Patricia A. Doyle DVM, PhD Bus Admin, Tropical Agricultural Economics Univ of West Indies Please visit my "Emerging Diseases" message board at: http://www.emergingdisease.org/phpbb/index.php Also my new website: http://drpdoyle.tripod.com/ Zhan le Devlesa tai sastimasa Go with God and in Good Health
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#29
David Guyatt Wrote:I have about as much nouse on these things as a cake fairy, but I did notice the following alarum. Whether it has any validity or not I have no idea. Better minds than mine need to enquire.

http://www.tpuc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1986

Quote:Do Not Take A Swine Flu Vaccine!
by paulb on Mon Apr 27, 2009 10:33 am

Do Not Take A
Swine Flu Vaccine!
From Patricia Doyle, PhD
4-25-9

Hello Jeff -

I am making a plea to everyone who reads this, please, please DO NOT TAKE ANY VACCINE THAT IS PURPORTED TO 'PREVENT' THIS FLU.

Remember 1976 and the so called Swine Flu outbreak that was purported to be a coming pandemic? It only infected recruits at Ft. Dix. Why? Because I believe that the so called Swine Flu virus infected the recruits due to the vaccines they were given. Whether the government developed the Swine Flu 1976 virus and infected the recruits as a means to test the public to see if people would comply with a call to take vaccination against Swine Flu, or the recruits became infected via contaminated vaccine they were given as part of the recruit regimen, that outbreak was as phony as they come. I was one of the people duped into taking a Swine Flu shot and it made me so sick. I was sick in bed for three months after taking the vaccine.

Do not take seasonal flu vaccine if you are told that it could help prevent this brand new Swine Flu variant. It won't do a thing to prevent this flu. What it will do is serve up new genetic material to the Swine Flu virus that I have dubbed Spanish Flu 2, the Sequel. The Spanish Flu variant will use the gene sequences in the vaccine in humans to develop more of the changes that make the virus more readily infect humans. We do not want to give this virus more human genetic material so that it will infect humans more readily person to person. This is what vaccinated individuals do for pandemic strains.

There is also a safety issue in any experimental vaccine, much like the one in 1976. Some people even feel that such a vaccine for pandemic strain might require more than one vaccination which could actually be a binary set up. The first shot might just add some genetic code that stays dormant in the body until one gets the second vaccine shot which then serves to only cause infection. It could trigger Guillain-barre syndrome, Typhus or some other condition.

An Influenza vaccine does not protect or prevent a person from contracting flu. It is purported to, maybe, prevent some complications of flu and maybe shorten duration. I am not even sure it does that. Personally, I feel the vaccine weakens our immune system and also sickens us due to contaminants in the vaccine. I feel that people can better protect themselves by washing hands often and thoroughly. People should also use protective gloves when out and about during epidemics. Don't be afraid of "looking odd." I would not be ashamed to use a mask and gloves. I see that the Mexicans are using them.

A big problem during a pandemic is that these simple supplies will become extremely scarce awfully quickly. Stock up now. Medical supplies. personal hygene supplies and don't forget fido, or any other pet. Once a pandemic hits, it will be too late to stock up. Water, too.
We may lose clean water and electric power, so be prepared.

So, please, people, DON'T TAKE ANY VACCINES OFFERED. THEY COULD KILL YOU BEFORE ANY VIRUS KILLS YOU.

Pat Doyle


Patricia A. Doyle DVM, PhD Bus Admin, Tropical Agricultural Economics Univ of West Indies Please visit my "Emerging Diseases" message board at: http://www.emergingdisease.org/phpbb/index.php Also my new website: http://drpdoyle.tripod.com/ Zhan le Devlesa tai sastimasa Go with God and in Good Health

She raises some real and possible issues of concern. I'll try to research the specifics and get back soon on this. I do remember in my Public Health training reading about persons who got influenza and influenza-like diseases from vacines and there have been many flu and other such cases especially among the military, who often forces soldiers to take multiple shots and some very experimental vacines, at that. Remember however she has a DVM degree and I'd rather trust a PhD in virology from a private university who is not under government contracts.

Meanwhile...
Quote:it is now in Europe too: Spain reports three suspected cases of swine flu
4/26/2009 18:34:39 · by TaraP · 7 replies · 494+ views
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-0...262784.htm ^ | April 27th, 2009
MADRID, April 26 (Xinhua) -- Spanish Health Minister Trinidad Jimenez said on Sunday that three Spanish nationals had developed symptoms similar to swine flu a few days after they returned from a Mexico trip. Currently, the three were placed in isolation and treated at different hospitals, said Jimenez. They were in stable conditions, but it is unclear if they were indeed infected with swine flue and medical personnel are analyzing their cases to come up with definite diagnosis as soon as possible, she added. The three came from the northern city of Bilbao, Almansa in the southeast.
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I'd suggest anyone worried get some fine-filter face masks, some comfortable surgical gloves and lots of liquid surgical disinfectant for hand cleaning and cleaning of surfaces. The flu shots and medicines should only be used at the last moment, if needed and under the advice of a trusted doctor - or two. I've not heard of side-effects of Tamiflu, but that doen't mean there aren't any. Flu shots have been, at times, the cause more than the cure...but in a life and death risk situation it can come down to a hobsons choice and difficult decision for the layman.---------------

Perhaps unrelated, but.....
Quote:Military Industrial Complex Prepares Mass Graves for U.S. Citizens
http://www.infowars.com/military-industr...-citizens/
March 25, 2009

A usually quiet U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs Cemetery, has been unusually active lately. The National Memorial Cemetery of Arizona is a beautiful 225 acre facility located in Phoenix.

For the past 30-45 days in the early hours of the morning until sunset, a massive construction operation has been underway. Major amounts of earth have been excavated out about 9-10 feet deep and 600-1000 feet wide. There is multiple locations on the property like this. From the satellite view there appears to be more sections that have been covered with the concrete lids and backfilled to look as if nothing is there. ABC rock is put in place under the burial vaults for good drainage and solid bedding. This will help not contaminate ground water sources from decomposition of human bodies.

The cleanliness of the heavy equipment operation and the large perfect cuts of earth is im pressive. These Massive concrete boxes are transported from a nearby storage yard on various privately owned flatbed semi-trucks, then unloaded and put into place a half mile away at the actual mass grave site. They are installed tight together side by side with no space in between.

An interview was conducted between my friend and a truck driver involved in this operation. After beating around the bush for ten minutes, the driver admitted “ I got paid a whole lot of money to speak good english.” Take it for what it’s worth but that sounds suspect. The truck driver also admitted “Each burial vault holds four caskets.”
I took note that if caskets were not used you could fit 40 bodies or more in each one.

So if these were to hold four troops each and the truck driver did know what he was talking about; this would mean that there are plans in advance for over 4000 U.S. soldiers deaths.

If these are not to contain caskets and only bodies are inserted there could be room for over 40,000 civilians bodies.

See additional photos: photo 1, photo 2, photo 3, photo 4.

The latest figures suggest that the number of deaths and number of people admitted to hospital from what is believed to be swine flu continue to increase by about 25 per cent every day.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#30
150 dead in Mexico

and 30 suspected cases in Spain.....50 in the USA 10 in the UK....3 in Germany, Several in NZ and Canada.............more than 20,000 people in Europe have come from Mexico City and other places the virus had infected recently.

......time for me to buy masks before the weekend even though most who have died are (strangely) between 20-40. Symptoms from those seriously ill include high fever, headache, eye pain, shortness of breath and extreme fatigue with rapid progression of symptoms to severe respiratory distress in about five days.

it is picking-up speed................

Not connected, but Mexico has enough problems...and the coincidences are really getting amazing....just reported they had an earthquake - 6 on Richter Scale - in Mexico City!
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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