Vincent Bugliosi Dies at 80

[Tracy Riddle]

Harold Weisberg letter to VB back in 1999:
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"What your letter of the 20th suggests to me is that you are laying a foundation of a future misuse of it....In addition, it is full of suggestions that you are going to write about Oswald without knowledge of what the Warren Commission's published information says."

[Gordon Gray]

Since I don't like to speak ill of the dead I won't say anything.

[Jim DiEugenio]

Vince did write some good books.

For instance, his books on the Gore/Bush debacle in Florida, his book on the crazy Paula Jones decision, and his book about the Bush scam to get us into Iraq, those were all good enough books.

[Tracy Riddle]

Bugliosi was a committed Democrat, and like a lot of Democrats (Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow leap to mind), highly invested in a particular world view that does not include crimes committed from within the National Security State. As Eric Norden wrote in 1966:

"At the upper-level of the Liberal Establishment there was a desperate effort, conscious and cynical, to cover up all traces of conspiracy and reassure the American people that all was still for the best in the best of all possible worlds…To even entertain the suspicion that elements of this most wondrous of all governments, whether in the intelligence networks or the political police, could band together to liquidate the presiding High Brahmin, and then coolly cover up their deeds, would shake the average liberal's neat and soothing assumptions about his world to their very roots. Such things could and do happen with depressing regularity in many other countries but never, never, of course, in America. Thus, those who challenged the Establishment's version of events were extremists' with one or another different axes to grind, perhaps paranoid and at the very least victims of a conspiratorial view of history.' History is not, of course, a succession of conspiracies; what liberals conveniently forgot was that there are conspiracies in history. The world, much less America, is not the tidy design of the League of Women Voters; it can happen here. But the blood of John Kennedy was a small price to pay for the preservation of liberal delusions."

[Albert Doyle]

The man was the center of CNN's disinformation campaign on the 50th anniversary and was the anchor for the lies used to pave the view with a false version that ignored all the facts.


He's condemned.

[Cliff Varnell]

Bugliosi was a committed Democrat, and like a lot of Democrats (Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow leap to mind), highly invested in a particular world view that does not include crimes committed from within the National Security State. As Eric Norden wrote in 1966:

"At the upper-level of the Liberal Establishment there was a desperate effort, conscious and cynical, to cover up all traces of conspiracy and reassure the American people that all was still for the best in the best of all possible worlds…"

Maybe at the upper-level of the Liberal Establishment we find the top perps.

John D. Rockefeller 3 and Averell Harriman had vital interests in So East Asia and definitely fit he bill as the upper level of the upper WASP crust.

[Joseph McBride]

In 1972, while a reporter for The Wisconsin State
Journal in Madison, I covered a speech at the University of Wisconsin by
William H. Sullivan, not the FBI Sullivan but then the top advisor
to National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger. Sullivan had been a diplomat in Vietnam
and ambassador to Laos and would go on to become ambassador to Iran. Sullivan
was asked by someone in that 1972 Madison audience why we were still
fighting in Vietnam (even after Nixon had promised
to end the war with his "secret plan," which proved
to be widening it while ending the draft).

Sullivan candidly replied that the reason we were still
fighting in Vietnam was that we wanted
to control the oil in the South China Sea.

When I wrote my story, the AP picked it up. Sullivan had also
revealed that peace talks were underway with North Vietnam, which
made big news around the world.

During the resulting media firestorm, Sullivan tried to claim
the speech had been off the record. I produced a letter on
the letterhead of the inviting university organization that had
asked the State Journal to cover the speech. It was not off the record.

The only book on Vietnam I've seen that mentions the
oil in the South China Sea as a motive for the war is Noam Chomsky's largely intemperate
and scurrilous book, and inaccurate, attacking Oliver Stone and JFK by calling JFK a war criminal, etc. In this instance
Chomsky may have been right, or partly right about the motives for the war. The war, like most wars,
was largely about money, making money for the backers of
LBJ (including Halliburton and its subsidiary
Brown & Root, which owned and operated
LBJ since the 1930s) and Nixon. Stone's JFK points out how other Texas defense
contractors also particularly benefited from the war. Then there was the
massive increase in heroin trafficking related to the
Pepsi-Cola plant in Southeast Asia that fronted for opium processing.
Pepsi's Donald Kendall was one of Nixon's primary backers.
Kendall helped fund the coup in Chile. Nixon was in Dallas
on 11-22-63 representing Pepsi at the soft drink bottlers'
convention. As William Goldman (in a line he wrote
for "Deep Throat" in ALL THE PRESIDENT'S MEN) put it,
"Follow the money."

[Albert Doyle]

In some writer intending to do a pro-Warren Commission book's bedroom Bugliosi's ghost will appear with 'Reclaiming History' chained to his neck to warn that writer not to follow his fated path. Bugliosi will send angels to show that writer the ghost of democracy's past and future with and without his book...

[Kara Dellacioppa]

Hi Magda, I just saw the first episode of Aquarius, its a TV show (unless there is a movie too). I was waiting to be disappointed, and the guy that plays Manson isn't great that but I was pleasantly surprised that they already touched on his (mansons) former career as a pimp for politicians and the father of the new Manson girl is being painted as some big time Nixon type politician. Maybe its because I read a bunch of the books about him six months ago but I was struck by the iconography... you see huge Bobby Kennedy images, Nixon and I think there was even a reference to CREEP.. I mean I might be reading into it but I think there might be some real historical stuff in it, of course probably with lots of disinfo... but it definitely piqued my interest and I wasn't expecting it to at all. I dont know, I get the impression that they are showing the Manson family being theater where this larger political war is being fought.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/...83811.html

Ironic, he died the same date as RFK.

And it's also ironic that Manson outlived Bugliosi.

Like a cosmically bad joke.

There is a new movie being pushed here right now about Manson. I don't think I will bother seeing it as it already looks like it will be some sort of Manson porn. It is called 'Aquarius' and the tag line is Peace Love and Manson. ::vomit::

[Albert Doyle]

In other research, last night a person who knew Charlie Manson personally told me the exact same story Jim D posted about the Manson murders being staged murders to frame the Panthers and draw heat off Bobby Beausoleil. This person had no clue of the material Jim D posted or its source and independently told me, from memory, information that exactly matched Jim D's post about Bugliosi not investigating evidence. This person was a drug insider with those around Manson (like many people in LA were at the time) and knew the information first hand. This person told me they knew Manson from earlier and that he wasn't a killer type and that they thought he might have been mind-controlled.