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John Birch Society
#1
Interesting blurb on the John Birch Society from About.com:
http://atheism.about.com/library/glossar...ociety.htm

John Birch Society members included high profile sociopaths: HL Hunt & Clint Murchison (both provided funding), Nelson Bunker Hunt (HL Hunt's son), Edwin Walker, Congressman John Rousselot.

I have no doubt that they were involved with the events of November 22, 1963.

"John Birch Society

Profile:
Name: John Birch Society
Founded: December 9, 1958 in Indianapolis

History:
The John Birch Society was, for a long time, the principle radical right and anti-communist organization in the United States. Founded by Robert Welch, a retired candymaker from Massachusetts, the group was initially based upon a monologue delivered by Welch in a hotel room to a number of like-minded people. This monologue was later transcribed The Blue Book of the John Birch Society, given to each new member. The name of the Society comes from John Birch, an American intelligence officer killed by Communists in China in August, 1945.

Unlike many other groups the John Birch Society had heavy backing from industrialist and corporations, particularly oil companies and the defense industry. This money made the Society the best funded of all radical right organizations, allowing them to set up thousands of chapters across the country and, by 1963, having at least 80,000 members. As Sara Diamond's book wrote in her book Roads to Dominion: Right-Wing Movements and Political Power in the United States,

By 1963, corporations were spending an estimated $25 million per year on anticommunist literature. ...Some corporations circulated print and audio-visual materials produced by the John Birch Society; other corporations produced their own in-house literature. ...By the early 1960s, the Nation magazine reported that there was a minimum of 6,600 corporate-financed anticommunist broadcasts, carried by more than 1,300 radio and television stations at a total annual budget of about $20 million. ...Leading sponsors included Texas oil billionaire H.L. Hunt and Howard J. Pew of Sun Oil. The corporate sector's massive anticommunist propaganda campaigns created a favorable climate for the mobilization of activist groups like the John Birch Society. ..."
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#2
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?tit...ch_Society

"The JBS was viewed by mainstream journalists and politicians as an extremist, wing-nut organization of conspiracy theorists. Much of its early conspiracism, according to Political Research Associates, "reflects an ultraconservative business nationalist critique of business internationalists networked through groups such as the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR). The CFR is viewed through a conspiracist lens as puppets of the Rockefeller family in a 1952 book by McCarthy fan, Emanuel M. Josephson, Rockefeller, 'Internationalist': The Man Who Misrules the World. In 1962 Dan Smoot's The Invisible Government added several other policy groups to the list of conspirators, including the Committee for Economic Development, the Advertising Council, the Atlantic Council (formerly the Atlantic Union Committee), the Business Advisory Council, and the Trilateral Commission."
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#3
It may or may not be relevant here to mention that it was the John Birch Society who funded Bob Curtis's gold recovery and metallurgical refingerprinting programme in the Philippines on behalf of Ferdinand Marcos.

And this leads us to the late General MacArthur and all the right-wing hangers on who sat beside him. MacArthur's campaign for election was, of course, funded partly by H L Hunt and Clint MUrchison.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article30068.htm
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#4
David Guyatt Wrote:It may or may not be relevant here to mention that it was the John Birch Society who funded Bob Curtis's gold recovery and metallurgical refingerprinting programme in the Philippines on behalf of Ferdinand Marcos.

And this leads us to the late General MacArthur and all the right-wing hangers on who sat beside him. MacArthur's campaign for election was, of course, funded partly by H L Hunt and Clint MUrchison.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article30068.htm

It's relevant. There are many groups and individuals that are stong suspects with clear motives. JBS is among them, therefore everything about them and their associations are of interest. I guess if I was a cop I'd say I "like" JBS.

I want to start discussing the suspects here, and I'm starting with JBS.
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#5
How significant is it that Jack Ruby mentioned the JBS to the Warren Commission when he talked to them in prison?

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/j..._0104b.htm

Is Ruby implicating the John Birch Society in the assassination? Or is Ruby implicating the JBS for smearing him because he's Jewish?

On edit: Ruby talks about John Birch Society to the WC and refers to Edwin Walker as "one of the top men of this organization."
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#6
David Guyatt Wrote:It may or may not be relevant here to mention that it was the John Birch Society who funded Bob Curtis's gold recovery and metallurgical refingerprinting programme in the Philippines on behalf of Ferdinand Marcos.

And this leads us to the late General MacArthur and all the right-wing hangers on who sat beside him. MacArthur's campaign for election was, of course, funded partly by H L Hunt and Clint MUrchison.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article30068.htm

Now that is interesting, indeed. We have some of the leaders as suspects in the Assassination and they were helping MacAruthur and his man Lansdale, who are also suspects. Add to the mix the strange story of the self-proclaimed <mind-controlled> assassin in the Phillipines, after, and it is quite a mix....Ruby's mention is also interesting. I believe on the EF there was some discussion of this by a former member.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#7
Peter Lemkin Wrote:...
Now that is interesting, indeed. We have some of the leaders as suspects in the Assassination and they were helping MacAruthur and his man Lansdale, who are also suspects. Add to the mix the strange story of the self-proclaimed <mind-controlled> assassin in the Phillipines, after, and it is quite a mix....Ruby's mention is also interesting. ...

MacArthur confuses the hell outta me. On the one hand he was a thundering looney. Plenty of evidence there. Hell, Truman fired him because he was out of control. He attacked his own men, military men, aka the Bonus Army, on US soil in 1932. A mean thundering looney.

On the other hand he met with President Kennedy early on and reportedly counciled him. Told JFK that the chickens were coming home to roost and JFK was in the chicken house. That could be taken as a warning or a threat (and was chillingly similar to Malcolm X's notorious statement after the assassination). Whichever it was, JFK was supposedly impressed with MacArthur.

Dunno. Was MacArthur involved in the assassination? It's certainly not as crystal clear as Edwin Walker's role. And it confused me. I hope for clarification.

Peter Lemkin Wrote:...I believe on the EF there was some discussion of this by a former member...

Are you referring to Harry Dean? He's a member here. Perhaps he'll comment on the subject.
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#8
Myra Bronstein Wrote:
Peter Lemkin Wrote:...
Now that is interesting, indeed. We have some of the leaders as suspects in the Assassination and they were helping MacAruthur and his man Lansdale, who are also suspects. Add to the mix the strange story of the self-proclaimed <mind-controlled> assassin in the Phillipines, after, and it is quite a mix....Ruby's mention is also interesting. ...

MacArthur confuses the hell outta me. On the one hand he was a thundering looney. Plenty of evidence there. Hell, Truman fired him because he was out of control. He attacked his own men, military men, aka the Bonus Army, on US soil in 1932. A mean thundering looney.

On the other hand he met with President Kennedy early on and reportedly counciled him. Told JFK that the chickens were coming home to roost and JFK was in the chicken house. That could be taken as a warning or a threat (and was chillingly similar to Malcolm X's notorious statement after the assassination). Whichever it was, JFK was supposedly impressed with MacArthur.

Dunno. Was MacArthur involved in the assassination? It's certainly not as crystal clear as Edwin Walker's role. And it confused me. I hope for clarification.

Peter Lemkin Wrote:...I believe on the EF there was some discussion of this by a former member...

Are you referring to Harry Dean? He's a member here. Perhaps he'll comment on the subject.

Excerpt{s} from 1990 manuscript/book YROJ JFK Connection
In the flow of events during my regular Intelligence/informant activities in
1962, I was made aware of the Conservarive Movement/John Birch Society and became a sincere member as did a great number of other Republicans.
The John Birch Society {JBS} was an invention and political extention of the
Church {Latter Day Saints {LDS} Mormon. The JBS infrastructure was an
exact miniture of the Church designed to serve as it's political arm in reaching
where the Church was forbidden by U.S. laws of Church-State separation to go.
An extremely costly seizure of the Republican Party was the urgent and
powerful first step taken by LDS-JBS for entrance into the legitimate political
scene {a relentless goal of the Church hierarchy since it's 1830 founding.

Their revival and use of the name "Conservatism" was merely as a title, a
semantic weapon, to display opposition to the liberalism that dominated both
Democrat and Republican parties, choking and limiting both political conservatism and Church ambitons.
The more important purpose in exploiting this title was it's value to draw-in
sincere, and ideological conservatives to serve our cause in many ways.

We were instructed to infiltrate the Democratic Party at every level. The
Democratic Party was taken over from the bottom and the top and it's
liberalism was forever neutralized!
Through it's revolutionary JBS front, the LDS Church dumped millions of it's
yearly billions into subverting operations and brilliantly devised, twisted and
fiery propaganda causing a national foreboding and fear that the U.S.
Goverment might actually be under communist influence and direction.

No honest conservative really believed that we were trying to do more than
call the liberal establishment communist sympathizers in order to replace
liberalism with conservatism. But we unknowingly were being used to help
install this present system that is surrreptitiously wielding every power of
the U.S. government to force the extension of a purely materialistic-religious
empire that is intent on redesigning the entire world in it's own "communal" image! An effort that includes brute force and isolation of resistant individuals and entire nations.

This long twilight struggle against the elected government of the United States was for world power. That power lay within an almost impotent United
Nations Organization. Control and direction of that body would be realized by
the subversives upon neutralizing, then seizing the government by shock
force.{JFK Assassination}.

Yes I was a follower until 22November 1963.

H.J. Dean
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#9
Harry Dean Wrote:
Myra Bronstein Wrote:
Peter Lemkin Wrote:...
Now that is interesting, indeed. We have some of the leaders as suspects in the Assassination and they were helping MacAruthur and his man Lansdale, who are also suspects. Add to the mix the strange story of the self-proclaimed <mind-controlled> assassin in the Phillipines, after, and it is quite a mix....Ruby's mention is also interesting. ...

MacArthur confuses the hell outta me. On the one hand he was a thundering looney. Plenty of evidence there. Hell, Truman fired him because he was out of control. He attacked his own men, military men, aka the Bonus Army, on US soil in 1932. A mean thundering looney.

On the other hand he met with President Kennedy early on and reportedly counciled him. Told JFK that the chickens were coming home to roost and JFK was in the chicken house. That could be taken as a warning or a threat (and was chillingly similar to Malcolm X's notorious statement after the assassination). Whichever it was, JFK was supposedly impressed with MacArthur.

Dunno. Was MacArthur involved in the assassination? It's certainly not as crystal clear as Edwin Walker's role. And it confused me. I hope for clarification.

Peter Lemkin Wrote:...I believe on the EF there was some discussion of this by a former member...

Are you referring to Harry Dean? He's a member here. Perhaps he'll comment on the subject.

Excerpt{s} from 1990 manuscript/book YROJ JFK Connection
In the flow of events during my regular Intelligence/informant activities in
1962, I was made aware of the Conservarive Movement/John Birch Society and became a sincere member as did a great number of other Republicans.
The John Birch Society {JBS} was an invention and political extention of the
Church {Latter Day Saints {LDS} Mormon. The JBS infrastructure was an
exact miniture of the Church designed to serve as it's political arm in reaching
where the Church was forbidden by U.S. laws of Church-State separation to go.
An extremely costly seizure of the Republican Party was the urgent and
powerful first step taken by LDS-JBS for entrance into the legitimate political
scene {a relentless goal of the Church hierarchy since it's 1830 founding.

Their revival and use of the name "Conservatism" was merely as a title, a
semantic weapon, to display opposition to the liberalism that dominated both
Democrat and Republican parties, choking and limiting both political conservatism and Church ambitons.
The more important purpose in exploiting this title was it's value to draw-in
sincere, and ideological conservatives to serve our cause in many ways.

We were instructed to infiltrate the Democratic Party at every level. The
Democratic Party was taken over from the bottom and the top and it's
liberalism was forever neutralized!
Through it's revolutionary JBS front, the LDS Church dumped millions of it's
yearly billions into subverting operations and brilliantly devised, twisted and
fiery propaganda causing a national foreboding and fear that the U.S.
Goverment might actually be under communist influence and direction.

No honest conservative really believed that we were trying to do more than
call the liberal establishment communist sympathizers in order to replace
liberalism with conservatism. But we unknowingly were being used to help
install this present system that is surrreptitiously wielding every power of
the U.S. government to force the extension of a purely materialistic-religious
empire that is intent on redesigning the entire world in it's own "communal" image! An effort that includes brute force and isolation of resistant individuals and entire nations.

This long twilight struggle against the elected government of the United States was for world power. That power lay within an almost impotent United
Nations Organization. Control and direction of that body would be realized by
the subversives upon neutralizing, then seizing the government by shock
force.{JFK Assassination}.

Yes I was a follower until 22November 1963.

H.J. Dean

Thanks for that Harry! Above Myra seems confused about McAurthur - and lets put his mental 'state' aside - for I think if we look at the mental 'status' of most all of those who were involved in things involved with Dallas (and similar) we'd find great psychopathology. His intelligence man was Lansdale and Lansdale many (including me) beleve was at Dallas and played a role. David'd observation that JBS played a role in laundering the Phillipine / Japanese Gold is amazing and fits the whole thing together neatly. Look who its big funders were and their roles (or suspected roles) in Dallas. I remember well growing up in the very progressive and politcally active family I did in NYC that we were very aware of the JBS, but took them to be nutty right-wingnuts - and we did not know of the great money and power behind them. They kept a folksy 'front' of the average enraged anti-communist/anti-socialist/anti-progressive cornpone American as behind it. The JBS, to me, was front and center involved in the events of 11/22/63, along with other persons and groups who shared that kind of viewpoint. Ruby's mention of JBS and Johnson, I think, are taken too lightly, as Ruby was not the most articulate person - he also was not stupid and knew which side the bread was buttered on!
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#10
Yes thanks Harry. Your post was more than illuminating.

I have a fairly detailed file on Mormon activities in the field of black gold and crooked financial dealings - that reaches to the very top of their Church hierarchy. This includes dodgy dealings with Zions Bank. In fact, Mormons are deeply mired in the ongoing black gold story.

In addition to Lansdale playing a role in JFK, he played an even larger part in the Philippine gold story. I have several documents showing his name listed as the owner/beneficiary of large pots of Santa Romana gold that, apparently, moved under Lansdale’s control after Sta. Romana died.

On MacArthur: it was MacArthur’s chum General Marquat who was responsible for establishing the so called “M-fund” composed of gold and other plunder gathered by Japanese plunder teams during WWII, that later was used as the collateral for all those Series 57 Notes of Redemption that I have been currently discussing elsewhere on this forum.

For more on the latter the following link provides the basic background about the M-fund as it concerned Norbert Schlei, an assistant attorney general in the JFK Administration. This is an old essay and is out of date to the extent that we now know that there are, indeed, genuine Series 57’s that have been designedly disavowed by Japan. Hene Schlei’s visit to the CIA’s Stanley Sporkin -- not the most trustworthy man in the world and probably, overall, a decidedly wrong move by Schlei.

http://www.jpri.org/publications/working.../wp11.html
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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