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Orlando, Fla. (home of giant theme parks) has 2 high profile murders in under 24 hours
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I have no idea to what degree, if any, the following FB post has, but I'm linking it below:

https://www.facebook.com/truthcat/photos...=3&theater
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
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#62
There's some familiarity I'm seeing in the Orlando shooting reportage with the shitehounds m.o. and idealogical patois thousands & thousands of refs that I've had over the years. Should note that these refs are very very quick precisely coincidental & in synch to the ref source, ie. from tv or from when I'm reading the paper (I'm passed reading the paper out loud word for word). Namely, all the "kill gays"-type guff. Seems to me that they couldn't do it so quick & constant unless it's a part of their psychologies, which raises the spectre of them being far-right christian muppets, which would fit entirely, but veers-off from the psychological basket cases' that's the more-or-less working presumption "doing gods work"x1,000's., "religious", "church", etc.
This Islamist' fella came to mind, then Pastor Roger Jimenez was on the tail-end of RT-Thom Hartmann, then I remembered about Ted Cruz sharing a platform with a fruitcake, so they're definitely out there.
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That mix of "compassion"-type emotional garbage with 'destroying' someone who it's convenient to claim as being some form of "contaminant" is exactly the palate from which the shitehounds paint their pictures in shades of brown - I get that perhaps as much as 100 times/day, "flushed", "cured", "sewer", "doctor", and for getting-on for 5yrs - a very strong psychological & ideological 'reveal' there. The shitehounds are very, very primitive people; from 'On the Psychology of Military Incompetence- Extremes of Authoritarianism -
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Pastor refuses to mourn Orlando victims: The tragedy is that more of them didn't die' - By Lindsey Bever June 15 - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts...didnt-die/
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Ted Cruz admits sharing platform with 'kill the gays' hate preacher Kevin Swanson was 'a mistake' - By Harriet Sinclair February 25, 2016 - http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ted-cruz-admits...ke-1545908






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#63
David Guyatt Wrote:I have no idea to what degree, if any, the following FB post has, but I'm linking it below:

https://www.facebook.com/truthcat/photos...=3&theater


It makes the most sense to me of this entire story.
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#64
Anthony Thorne Wrote:I don't have time to write a longer piece right now but I believe the Grimmie shooting a day or two earlier deserves closer attention.

The killer, Kevin Loibl, conveniently dead, is described as a 'deranged fan' of a young woman who was one of the most social-media active figures imaginable. Christina Grimmie started out with her own YouTube channel, where she conversed with fans, added her own Facebook and Snapchat and Twitter and Instagram pages, would regularly give YouTube updates to her channel followers, joked about how her concerts ran overtime as she liked to chat to crowd members between songs, and went out of her way to greet fans after the show with open arms. Her entire fan base was built upon social media. Then, early reports of her murder have commentary from the cops stating that her killer had 'almost no social media presence', a funny thing for a chap who was obsessed with a socially-media active singer.

Since the lack of a social media presence was incongruous, more recent stories now try to beef up an online presence for him. The head line here reads 'Did Christina Grimmie's killer post disturbing messages online detailing his obsession with the star before shooting her?'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-ne...ng-8186946

The article may as well have been made up at the typewriter, as it quotes an unnamed 'social media user' who sparked concern from several unnamed other people when that first user posted about an unnamed celebrity on an unnamed site at an indeterminate time. Two sentences in the article note there's "no evidence" linking the posts to the killer, and then reiterates that there's "nothing to suggest" there's a link, but the headline of the article poses the question anyway. Other recent articles state that Loibl had a 'history of violence', and then note an incident where police found inconclusive evidence linking him to a violent attack on a partner and declined to press charges.

To my mind, the key link between the Grimmie shooting and the later Pulse nightclub shooting - beyond their proximate locales - is the similarly young/left-wing/ socially-media active/LGBT-identifying folk who are now mourning the various deaths and who have been given a new reason to feel repelled at gun violence. I'd suspect that if you found a cross-section of those folk and asked who (if anyone) they were planning to vote for, a majority would have said Bernie Sanders. With Sanders leaving the campaign, the deep-state folk who wanted to prevent any votes from either going absent or going to Trump in the electorates that they couldn't rig would be glad of a spur to see those voters move towards Clinton. A day or two after the shootings, Hillary Clinton makes expansive comments on the theme of gun control, giving her another cudgel to beat over the head of the NRA-supporting Trump. I doubt Clinton was the mastermind of anything above, but the deep state operatives and backers who wish to see her pushing their programs would find the events useful.

Grimmie's initial YouTube username was 'Zeldaxlove64', a reference to the Nintendo LEGEND OF ZELDA games (and the Nintendo 64 console beloved by fans) which releases a new entry in the series perhaps twice a decade. A vast number of Grimmie's fans, particularly on YouTube, are openly fans of the series. Grimmie was killed three days before a much-anticipated new entry in the Zelda series was to be announced. In the opening seconds of this video launching the latest Zelda game, Nintendo USA head Reggie Fils-Aime offers condolences to the victims of both shootings before noting that Grimmie had been scheduled to attend the premiere unveiling of the game in person this week as a fan, compouding the sense of tragedy for her fan base.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oalEsT7RyFI

The Grimmie shooting was intended to make a targeted section of young and left-wing voters feel anguished over gun violence, so that the Pulse nightclub murders that immediately followed would be that much more horrific and appalling. The promimate locale was probably a result of controllers and operatives compartmentalising the operation to avoid mishaps.

About two days after I thought of the above, a random Google search turns up an article blaming Clinton's background campaigners for both shootings, posted on the trash tabloid conspiracy Sorcha Faal site.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index2055.htm

I take that as a means of tarring the notion by linking it to crap and sending researchers down blind alleys. There's probably a useful link or two on the page, but it's buried in unsubstantiated commentary that I'm sure carefully mixes truth with fiction.


Interesting. I'd been pondering the possible connections between these two events myself but hadn't come up with much yet. Just to play devil's advocate for a moment: why do you think they would use the "Islamic radical" approach if this event was supposed to bolster support for Hillary? Trump is the one who has adopted a hardline approach on that issue, after all.
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#65
David Guyatt Wrote:Well worth watching for all the associated FBI, CIA, US government, MI6 and terrorist links.

From UK Column News:


That is a VERY good review of Orlando - and a very good show! [I will watch what they say about other news on other days for sure!]
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#66
Iit is getting VERY crazy.... the Truth has been totally mis-represented by someone.... and there are obviously more than one 'disaster actor' in this play!

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#67
Here's an article about Loibl's alleged obsession with Grimmie.


http://www.tmz.com/2016/06/16/christina-...essed-fan/


I note that his co-workers allegedly teased him about his apparent inability to date her. New rule: When your co-worker has irrational obsessions, don't deliberately mess with their heads.

Edit: I just read the truth cat post. This is not the first time I heard the name "Brandy" in connection with the Orlando event. Didn't one of the eyewitnesses mention someone named "Brandy"?
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#68
Peter Lemkin Wrote:Iit is getting VERY crazy.... the Truth has been totally mis-represented by someone.... and there are obviously more than one 'disaster actor' in this play!



Wow.
“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid before him.”
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Drew Phipps Wrote:Here's an article about Loibl's alleged obsession with Grimmie.


http://www.tmz.com/2016/06/16/christina-...essed-fan/


I note that his co-workers allegedly teased him about his apparent inability to date her. New rule: When your co-worker has irrational obsessions, don't deliberately mess with their heads.

Edit: I just read the truth cat post. This is not the first time I heard the name "Brandy" in connection with the Orlando event. Didn't one of the eyewitnesses mention someone named "Brandy"?

I couldn't find anything about a Brandy, Drew. But maybe my search term was good? Btw, "Truthcat" is Steven D Kelley who says he's a former CIA/NSA contractor. His FB page is HERE.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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#70
Meanwhile, wouldn't it be weird if Mateen earlier appeared as a G4S security guard with a speaking part in a documentary about the BP oil spill?



The above is confirmed is a Sky News story HERE.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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