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Coup Underway in Turkey
Drew Phipps Wrote:Since the US Government hasn't said anything (AFAIK) about the "coup" except to state that it supports the democratically elected government of Turkey (a statement originally made when the outcome was yet unclear), when I say "the official position" I am referring to the government of Turkey's "official position," which is that Gulen led it, with US support. I cannot and do not believe that the US Government, if it did decide to instigate a coup in another country, would be so inept and spineless as the alleged "coup" Turkish participants are said to have been. Our recent history with "regime change" in both Syria and Libya shows you the modus operandi of the official US Government, as well as the fortitude and competence that US surrogates on their respective grounds have possessed. (I do not mean to imply approval of such, merely to contrast it with the Turkish situation.)

I believe this pretend "coup" is a power grab on Erdogan's part. There is plenty of historical similarity to other such power grabs, from Hitler's Reichstag fire, to Stalin's "Great Purge", to the Church Committee's finding that the FBI falsely blamed "enemies of the state" political activists for FBI-sponsored bombings under its "Cointelpro" program, Algeria, Latin America, 9/11 and Anthrax, ... (long list omitted). To quote the article David just cited:

Quote: Some of the returning (Fascist) Italians are suspected of joining ardent terrorists who engaged in a wave of bombings that rocked Italy throughout 1969 and into 1970, killing and wounding dozens of people. Many of those attacks were falsely attributed to anarchists and leftists, as part of a "strategy of tension" to build political support for an authoritarian crackdown on the Left by Italy's security services.

There is even Seymour Hersh's uncovering of the Turkish role in the 2013 use of chemical weapons in Syria:

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/4/7/sy_...rkish_role

So, to the extent that the Turkish government could not have envisioned, or carried out, a false flag attack before 2013, there is good evidence that it has done so now.

I cannot, of course, prove that no Americans somehow played some role in this attempted "coup." I do think that anyone who trusts Erdogan and his government for the truth is bound to wind up quite disappointed, and any enemies of the US who think that the US government won't back up its surrogates is bound to wind up quite dead.

Anyone who trusts Erdogan is a fool. But the same can also be said about the USA these days.

Recent experience with Syria and Libya is not really relevant because they were the declared enemies of the US, whereas Turkey was very much a declared friend and ally. And friends and allies have to be handled differently. Until they stop following orders from Washington.

There is a fundamental difference with Gladio's strategy of tension in Italy. That had the heartfelt backing of the Italian elite and all the movers and shakers (checkout the membership list of P2, for example). Therefore, not a finger was lifted to counter it.

Nor do I think the Ghouta sarin attack in 2013 applies to this present situation. Three years is a long time in politics. Back then Erdogan was a major part of the US strategy of regime change in Syria and blaming the Ghouta sarin attack on Assad was just another dirty trick straight out of the US playbook. That changed when the US decided to arm, fund and train Erdogan's deadly enemies, the Kurds, in Syria. Thus the US, in their blind rush to regime change Assad, ignored the imperatives of an ally and are now reaping the consequences. I might add that this picking and dropping of friends and allies is all clearly set out in the neocon foreign affairs handbook, the Wolfowitz Doctrine.

Erdogan's momentous decision to piviot to Russia, following his betrayal by the US over the Kurdish question, surely has to be considered as the underlying motive for US involvement/backing of the coup.
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Lauren Johnson Wrote:Rumours of a secondary #TurkeyCoup as #Incirlik Airbase has been 'sealed'.#Turkey

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ilhan tanir @WashingtonPointİncirlik Airbase are cordoned off, banned any entrance or exit from US base due to 2nd Coup rumors/news.. https://twitter.com/Hurriyet/status/759510873006301185 …








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#Breaking[/URL]: Airspace over #NATO's #Incirlik air base seems closed. Turkish troops have surrounded it for 'inspection'

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RT and others are reporting it too (HERE).
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I heard this earlier today. Haven't caught up since I got in. Needs watching. Doubt the US is going to sit by and watch their nukes be at risk.
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Magda Hassan Wrote:I heard this earlier today. Haven't caught up since I got in. Needs watching. Doubt the US is going to sit by and watch their nukes be at risk.

Me, too. They'll be forced to hand them over to their minions in Daesh. For safe-keeping, you understand.

Out of contrived chaos, new opportunities for mayhem & destruction.
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Apparently, the chairman of the JCS, General Dunford, is arriving at Incirlik today.
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Turkish police said that the base is back to normal after deploying 7,000 personnel to surround the base.

The Incirlik base, which hosts thousands of U.S. troops and serves as a NATO outpost to Iraq and Syria, was shut down Saturday night amid rumors of a second coup attempt.

All forces, "like those that served on July 15," were deployed to deal with the "crisis" situation, announced Adana police.The entrances and exits were closed, and 7,000 riot police, counter-terrorism police and armored vehicles joined soldiers at the base in Adana to secure the premises.
They added two and a half hours later that everything was back to normal. The minister of EU affairs also tweeted that the lockdown was part of a "safety inspection" and that "there is no issue."
No one will be allowed to enter or exit the base until more is found out about the "danger," reported Hurriyet. The entrance to the Hilton and Sheraton hotels were also closed.




This is the second time the base is on high alert in two weeks.
The air space around Incirlik was closed during the attempted coup amid concerns a tanker aircraft commandeered from the base was used to refuel aircraft involved in the attempted overthrow, but was reopened in the days after the attempted coup so that U.S. warplanes could continue their operations in Syria and Iraq. The base's electric power was also shut off, allegedly by the coup plotters, and the base operated on generators until last Saturday.


The Turkish commander of the base was detained for complicity, a senior official said. Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu said some troops at the base were involved in the attempted coup. Rumors also circulated that some 1,500 U.S. military staff were held captive at the base.
On Thursday, thousands protested U.S. presence at the base and accusing the U.S. of playing a role in the coup. Some burned U.S. flags, reported Military Times, chanting against the large U.S. nuclear arsenal held at the base.
U.S. Chief of Staff Joseph Dunford arrived in Turkey hours later to visit the base.
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Quote: That changed when the US decided to arm, fund and train Erdogan's deadly enemies, the Kurds, in Syria.

The US has periodically trained, armed and funded the Kurds since 1972. However, it seems that the Kurdish drive for independence from Turkey, Syria, and Iraq stops the US from supporting them wholeheartedly.
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Drew Phipps Wrote:
Quote: That changed when the US decided to arm, fund and train Erdogan's deadly enemies, the Kurds, in Syria.

The US has periodically trained, armed and funded the Kurds since 1972. However, it seems that the Kurdish drive for independence from Turkey, Syria, and Iraq stops the US from supporting them wholeheartedly.

Sold Out? Iraq, the CIA, and the Kurds: An Interview with Dr. Bryan Gibson
Tuesday, April 05, 2016

http://www.spymuseum.org/multimedia/spyc...an-gibson/
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Drew Phipps Wrote:
Quote: That changed when the US decided to arm, fund and train Erdogan's deadly enemies, the Kurds, in Syria.

The US has periodically trained, armed and funded the Kurds since 1972. However, it seems that the Kurdish drive for independence from Turkey, Syria, and Iraq stops the US from supporting them wholeheartedly.

They're supporting them wholeheartedly in Syria, Drew, which is what has caused the problem, I think. I believe I linked this earlier in this thread, but it's HERE again anyway. Creating a de facto nation state for them in Northern Syria is, I imagine what may be driving Erdogan mad with anger. His great enemy right on his border and (presumably?) protected by the US. It can't be rocket science for the US planners to see the anger this would cause.
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The below article sets out the argument for US dividing up Syria and Turkey to establish a Kurdish state as a requirement for the Qatari gas pipeline to reach Europe, thereby cancelling Russian gas supplies to Europe. It also set out how NATO advanced and fast-tracked Gulenist officers throughout Turkey's military.

Interestingly, the referenced and footnoted article by Ralph Peters in the Armed Forces Journal titled "Blood Borders: How A Better Middle East Would Look" has been excised in Orwellian fashion from the AF Journal and has now been replaced by an article in the same publication titled "The Fallacy Behind Ralph Peter's New Middle East Map" (yep, you really couldn't make this doublespeak up). The 2nd article is HERE, whereas the original Ralph Peter's article is now available elsewhere, such as HERE.

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WHY DID ERDOGAN BECOME AN ANTI-EUROATLANTICIST?

GEOPOLITICS


ISLAMIC CIVILIZATION


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29.07.2016


Turkey


Russian aerial bombardments in Syria were extremely efficient, because they were intended to create breaches in positions of Islamist rebels that the Syrian army land forces have been able to exploit, liberating over 50% of the territory occupied by the rebels. The CIA and Pentagon have failed in terms of creating an army of opponents to fight against the army of Bashar al-Assad in Syria. Therefore, unlike Russia, the so-called anti-Islamic state coalition led by the US, over two years of bombings, did not cause significant damage to the Islamic State because on the ground, there were no allied troops to exploit the advantage.
Therefore, in January 2016, the White House decided to change strategy, introducing the use of Kurds as ground forces in their offensive against the Islamic state. The US weighed very well the consequences of their strategic plan to defeat the Islamic State which automatically leads to the creation of the Kurdish state, guaranteed by the White House. Kurdistan will encompass a giant area of ​​390,000 km² that now belongs to Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran and will have a population of over 30 million people.
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The plan is based on an article by Lieutenant Colonel Ralph Peters, professor at the Command and Staff of the US in the Armed Forces Journal published in the edition of June 2006 [2]. The four years before the civil war in Syria and eight years before the advent of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

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And here lies the question: was the conflict in Iraq and Syria not something planned long before, for the US to redrew the borders in the Middle East? Especially when seeing that this plan would allow Americans to create a network of Kurdish or Qatari gas pipelines to supply Europe, bypassing Turkey through Kurdistan and taking Iran and Russia out of the equation .
Yet Turkey has a strategic objective that encompass a transition from the European continent to the Asian and African through the Bosporus and Dardanelles straits. And the anti-Islamic State air operations are conducted by the Americans from the Turkish Incirlik air base. This is why the US needs Turkey and not vice versa. That Turkey would lose 45% of the current territory deeply angered President Recep Erdogan. The impulsive Erdogan can be criticized for a lot, much is forgiven by the Turkish people because he demonstrates patriotism. And therefore, no further military coup has a chance of success as the president of Turkey will be Erdogan.
This aspect of Erdogan is known to Americans, and simultaneously with the implementation of the strategic plan in Syria, it seems that the White House has prepared a plan of ousting Erdogan from power . This plan was to be implemented by Euro-atlanticist elites loyal to Americans, from the Gülen network. Erdogan claims that his enemy, hosted by Americans, is working for the CIA and that the Euro-atlanticist network "in Turkey would be one similar to that of George Soros, implanted in the former communist countries, after the fall of the Iron Curtain. Recruitment processes used by Gulen's network were scholarships or studies offered at prestigious western institutions with the help from the US government and the CIA.
Gulen's network was aimed particularly at young officers of the Turkish Army, who received invitations to attent important courses organized by NATO and the Pentagon. After that, the Pentagon put pressure on the Turkish General Staff, to assign these officers on the functions reserved for Turkey in various structures of NATO. Since they were junior officers without experience in troops, they needed to be exceptionally advanced, "jumping" over two or three ranks to reach the rank of major, lieutenant colonel, or colonel, as required by the rules of NATO. In the Turkish army to exceed the rank of major, and to command an echelon battalion, brigade, division, corps in the army, you need to fulfill length of service requirements, have good results in battle-prep tests, so that you are allowed to take the entrance exam to the Command and Staff Academy in Istanbul. After this, you still must be admitted. Afterwards there is 1-2 years of compulsory NATO work, the Pentagon presses the Turkish military leadership to advance once again these formally senior officers without the Academy, and employs them on important functions in the General Staff or command structure of the Turkish military or army corps.
According to Erdogan's supporters, thousands of Turkish officers recruited to Gulen's network went up the ladder in their military career on "on high speed", reaching ranks of generals and colonels in key positions. In sharp contrast, in the Kemalist army base, their former fellows remained captains or majors. This artificially created difference led to the failure of the military coup in Turkey [1].
Erdogan says that the Gulen network was able to attract almost 20-25% of the body senior officials (military, higher education institutions, media, justice, police, governmental apparatus, etc.). Erdogan says that the whole network always intended to betray Turkey, on orders from enemies of Turkey. It is the reason Erdogan immediately started to remove them from their duties, all members of the Euro-atlanticist network, having the model of a Stalinist purge in the early 50's. So Erdogan's stake is with the territorial integrity of Turkey, regardless of US plans in the Middle East.
[1]. Ralph Peters. "Blood Borders: How a better Middle East Would look," Armed Forces Journal (AFJ) (http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899)
[2]. Pourquoi en Turquie coup d'etat did not step Reuss t it? (Http://reseauinternational.net/pourquoi-...as-reussi/).






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