JVB- A true witness or something else

[Dawn Meredith]

Wow, Ms. Meredith.

Things have really livened up over there at Charles' 'Island of Elba'…. uh……… he seems to have……. issues. As do others, but…… don't we all ?

Gosh, if you look at the threads from even five years ago. the vibe was so different. What the heck happened?

Everybody gets the Judyth Baker they deserve.

Remember Ed Jewett AND Leon Trotsky !!!

and thanks to David for his attachments !!!! +

Mark you post is so vague I am not sure I get it. Over where? what is "Island of Elba"?

Dawn

[Kit Battenberg]

It's always seemed blindingly clear to me that Baker is a liar - and I'd be much more inclined to attribute her falsehoods to delusion, mental health issues and/or a desire to make a buck than being on a disinformation mission. Either way, she's obviously an opportunist of the most cynical kind - whenever something new emerges about the case, or a particular area/topic becomes researchers' flavor of the week, she posts about it, weaving it into her story and claiming she knew all along. Her entire narrative is a badly woven patchwork of existing, well-known information and bogusly specific claims which either have no evidentiary basis or directly contradict evidence. Moreover, even if true, it adds zilch to our understanding of the assassination. Why bother dwelling on this tedious charlatan?

[Albert Doyle]

A major red flag in JVB's credibility is the fact she doesn't believe the Armstrong theory. Her problem is anyone who was as deeply associated with Oswald as she claims could not have escaped detection of the two Oswalds.

[Mark A. O'Blazney]

Wow, Ms. Meredith.

Things have really livened up over there at Charles' 'Island of Elba'…. uh……… he seems to have……. issues. As do others, but…… don't we all ?

Gosh, if you look at the threads from even five years ago. the vibe was so different. What the heck happened?

Everybody gets the Judyth Baker they deserve.

Remember Ed Jewett AND Leon Trotsky !!!

and thanks to David for his attachments !!!! +

Mark you post is so vague I am not sure I get it. Over where? what is "Island of Elba"?

Dawn

Napoleon. History is repeating itself. You hang in there, my dear……… and give my regards to Texas.

[Pamela McElwain-Brown]

A couple of days ago I made a post on facebook about Ms. Baker and it stirred up a real shitstorm. In light of the fact that she is now putting on multiple conferences - after saying for years she was in fear of her life and could never come to the US and needed donations from friends to stay alive- I thought I'd pose the question of her on this forum. She has a lot of "true believers' on facebook, which I found surprising.
So who is she? A true witness or something else? I say "something else".

Dawn

After spending 7 years in Judyth's camp, keeping an open mind on what she had to say until her book was published, I found that there was something very strange going on. One was not supposed to keep an open mind. One was supposed to 'believe'. I am an historian, so I do not 'believe' nor 'disbelieve' anybody, so I just kept on doing my best to be objective. When Judyth's book was published and I reminded her of our deal she said we had no deal and turned on me, attempting to discredit me in the JFK community. I think that says it all.

Pamela Brown
findingjudyth.blogspot.com

[Pamela McElwain-Brown]

A major red flag in JVB's credibility is the fact she doesn't believe the Armstrong theory. Her problem is anyone who was as deeply associated with Oswald as she claims could not have escaped detection of the two Oswalds.

There may be an alternative -- that the 2-LHO theory did not fit into her created scenario. If she even acknowledged it, she could damage her own 'credibility'. Who would know which one she was involved with? How could she prove she was involved with one and not the other? Therefore she had no choice but to disavow it...

[Pamela McElwain-Brown]

It's always seemed blindingly clear to me that Baker is a liar - and I'd be much more inclined to attribute her falsehoods to delusion, mental health issues and/or a desire to make a buck than being on a disinformation mission. Either way, she's obviously an opportunist of the most cynical kind - whenever something new emerges about the case, or a particular area/topic becomes researchers' flavor of the week, she posts about it, weaving it into her story and claiming she knew all along. Her entire narrative is a badly woven patchwork of existing, well-known information and bogusly specific claims which either have no evidentiary basis or directly contradict evidence. Moreover, even if true, it adds zilch to our understanding of the assassination. Why bother dwelling on this tedious charlatan?

It might be easier to find JVB human if we could think of her as mentally ill or delusional. From my standpoint she is neither. She is cunning and thinks she can outsmart everyone. She is a creative writer. That's how this project started -- in a classroom in a college in NOLA with Joe Reihl as her instructor. She sits and imagines that all this history is taking place around her. That is what a novelist does. She can see, hear and smell all the activities, and then she writes them down. She is in cahoots with Ed Haslam. They may have written MF+TMV together. They are both from Bradenton, FL. Haslam conveniently 'added' a false JVB to his book, and then later, the real one. Haslam got JVB to 60 Minutes. Haslam created an alternate reality that JVB walked into and claimed was real. Now they both do.

[Albert Doyle]

There may be an alternative -- that the 2-LHO theory did not fit into her created scenario. If she even acknowledged it, she could damage her own 'credibility'. Who would know which one she was involved with? How could she prove she was involved with one and not the other? Therefore she had no choice but to disavow it...

She trapped herself with a mistake. She claimed the Oswald she knew spoke to her in Russian, however that would have to be Harvey since the rougher Texan Lee did not speak Russian.

She's got a problem because she also committed to Oswald coming back from Mexico to describe his visit to the Cuban Consulate. We pretty much know from the real witnessing that was covered-up by FBI and CIA that Oswald never went to the Consulate. So it is possible JVB got caught telling an outright lie here that she thought she could attach to the Mexico story. Also, the Oswald who allegedly went to Mexico was claimed to have spoken poor Russian.

There's a very interesting part of JVB's tale that has serious possible consequences. Anna Lewis said Oswald was in New Orleans in early spring 1962. If this is the same Oswald JVB allegedly knew then it had to be Texan Lee because Harvey was still in Russia.

It would take a lot more typing to flesh out the permutations of this but I think you can understand how this cross exposure would force JVB to realize there were two different Oswalds. If Laura Kittrell of the Texas Employment Office could tell these two apart surely a woman who claimed to be bedding Oswald should have been able to.

JVB has a credible Oschner background that allows for the possibility that she interfaced with one of the Oswald's during the period and is now creating a whole new history for reasons yet to be determined that might not exclude Intel spookery and muddying the waters.

[Magda Hassan]

It's always seemed blindingly clear to me that Baker is a liar - and I'd be much more inclined to attribute her falsehoods to delusion, mental health issues and/or a desire to make a buck than being on a disinformation mission. Either way, she's obviously an opportunist of the most cynical kind - whenever something new emerges about the case, or a particular area/topic becomes researchers' flavor of the week, she posts about it, weaving it into her story and claiming she knew all along. Her entire narrative is a badly woven patchwork of existing, well-known information and bogusly specific claims which either have no evidentiary basis or directly contradict evidence. Moreover, even if true, it adds zilch to our understanding of the assassination. Why bother dwelling on this tedious charlatan?

It might be easier to find JVB human if we could think of her as mentally ill or delusional. From my standpoint she is neither. She is cunning and thinks she can outsmart everyone. She is a creative writer. That's how this project started -- in a classroom in a college in NOLA with Joe Reihl as her instructor. She sits and imagines that all this history is taking place around her. That is what a novelist does. She can see, hear and smell all the activities, and then she writes them down. She is in cahoots with Ed Haslam. They may have written MF+TMV together. They are both from Bradenton, FL. Haslam conveniently 'added' a false JVB to his book, and then later, the real one. Haslam got JVB to 60 Minutes. Haslam created an alternate reality that JVB walked into and claimed was real. Now they both do.

Hi Pamela,
Have you been in touch with Hank Albarelli? He has some similar things to say about Haslam. And doesn't accept JVB is who she says she is either.

[Albert Doyle]

If you go to JVB's Facebook page she is making a really embarrassing attempt to say her establishment that David Ferrie and CIA operative Rafael Cruz changed their heights on different documents proves this was a normal CIA tactic and therefore shows people are misinterpreting this common CIA tactic for proof of Harvey & Lee. In her usual style JVB offers a long post trying to prove this but never gets around to coherently showing why. It is very childish in its attempt and I'm surprised her fans are so dumb that they don't see through it.

Any intelligent look at Armstrong's evidence would realize Armstrong has assembled a vastly complex array of evidence that JVB's childish claim that David Ferrie also lied about his height doesn't come close to touching. It is incredible that JVB's sycophants would allow her to get away with that and not see its lack of legitimacy. Because Rafael Cruz and David Ferrie misreported their heights on different documents doesn't come close to answering Armstrong's layers and layers of converging evidence of two Oswald's that is based on much much more than height.


JVB has dug her grave on this as far as credibility and no person who claims to be as close to the conspiracy as JVB would ever try to get away with that level of ignorance.



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