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National Archives releases first batch of 2017 JFK documents
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Listof JFK Assassination Records Missing from the Archives

LIST OF JFK ASSASSINATION RECORDS MISSING FROM THE ARCHIVES

If Peter Dale Scott's "Negative Template" theory is correct, what is missing from the extant history is more significant than what is in the documentary record.

As researcher Malcolm Blunt has said, "It's amazing we have anything left. It's sickening, just sickening, and a disgrace, an absolute disgrace. The ARRB should have pressured these people into doing a proper search."

At the CAPA Press Conference at the National Press Club in March former ARRB chairman Judge John Tunheim asked me to send him a list of missing JFK assassination records that should be in the JFK Collection at Archives II and open to the public. This is my list, so far.

Send me along any serious additions that I may have missed. - Billkelly3@gmail.com


1. Oswald CIA Office of Security File Volume 5, last seen by the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), which recently garnered some publicity.

2. Files of the first chief council to HSCA Richard Sprague, who took his files home with him when he was fired for conducting a real investigation. The Assassinations Records Review Board (ARRB), responsible for identifing and obtaining records, missed them because they confused the attorney Richard Sprague with the computer programer of the same name whose extensive files on the assassination are part of the JFK Collection. Sprague's HSCA files, paid for by taxpayers that rightfully belong at the Archives, are currently in Sprague's Philadelphia law office.

3. Soviet KGB records of Oswald's time in Moscow and Minsk that were obtained by Norman Mailer are now in the possession of Mailer's former associate Lawrence Schiller, who refused to turn them over to the ARRB.

4. Unedited AF1 Radio Transmission tapes from November 22, 1963. Two different edited versions of these tapes are available, one on cassette tapes released by the LBJ Library and a reel to reel version discovered among the personel effects of General Clifton. The White House Communications Agency (WHCA) is responsible for these tapes.

5. Church Committee interviews with Gerry Patrick Hemming, Orest Pena, Immigration and Naturalization Service and Customs officials, and other Church Committee testimony are missing.

6. U.S. Customs records on Cubans requested by the HSCA were so volumeous they couldn't be given to the HSCA, but now consist of only a few records at the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA).

7. The audio tape recording of Gaeton Fonzi's interview with Mitch Werbell was erased and the transcript is missing, only Fonzi's notes remain.

8. John Newman says that Eisenhower era reports on assassinations of foreign leaders that he copied years ago are now missing from the NARA, and he believes such records are being delibertly stollen.

9. Bill Simpich notes that CIA Mexico City Station (MCS) cable to Headquarters from September 26-30, 1963 are missing as well as cables from CIA HQ to MCS, JMWAVE to HQ and HQ to JMWAVE cable traffic on the same dates, and all cable traffic between MCS and JMWAVE between September 26 and October 20 and November 22 to December 30, 1963 are missing.

10. The CIA's study of the July 20, 1944 attempt to kill Hitler to be adapted for use against Castro, as mentioned by Desmond FitzGerald in his September 23, 1963 briefing of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is the subject of a FOIA lawsuit by the Assassination Archives and Research Center (AARC).

11. Office of Naval Intelligence - ONI Defector File, as identified as an assassination record by Navy Lt. Com. T. Pike, but never turned over to the Archives.

12. ONI 119 investigation reports on Oswald's defection and the assassination, as referred to by the Navy investigators who wrote them and the officers who read them.

13. The assassination files of the Director of the ONI Rufus Taylor, whose office had undercover agents working in Jack Ruby's Carousel Club, installing and maintaing the sound system, who reported, in the only surviving document, that Oswald was seen in the club.

14. James Mastrovito - the Secret Service Agent responsible for the SS records on the assassination acknowledged to the ARRB that he "culled" - destroyed many records and flushed into a food processor a vile of material labled "JFK brain - Armed Forces Institute of Pathology," with no repercussions.

15. The Secret Service destroyed many records, including the Advance Reports for the Tampa trip after the JFK Act was passed by Congress, although copies of some of these records were found among the personal effects of Agent Gerald Blaine, who wrote the Tampa Advance report. Do other agents also have copies y of official records among their personal effects? Is anyone looking?

16. The "Homme Report" from a Congressional subcommittee reportedly contains information on Robert F. Kennedy's knowledge and approval of CIA plans to kill Fidel Castro.

17. RFK's date book for 1963 is missing from the Kennedy Library.

18. Four boxes of witness testimony turned over to NARA in April 1965 by US Attorney now missing.

19. OSI - Office of Special Investigation military intelligence review of Oswald's State Department file is missing.

20. When former US Marine officer Oliver Revill joined the FBI he reported on an investigation of Oswald and files on him at a US Marine base in North Carolina, records not in the public record.

21. The Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel had documents excluded from the Warren Commission, according to a memo sent to ARRB and NARA archivist Steve Tilly, "more stuff lost in the shuffle," says Malcolm Blunt.

22. The ARRB tried to obtain Oswald's New Orleans court records but were told they were accidently destroyed when sent for microfilming.

23. Army Intelligence files on Oswald were kept from the Warren Commission and then "routinely" destroyed.

24. In 1976 when the CIA Counterintelligence (CI) staff were reviewing JFK assassination files the Security Office did not hand over their "secondary files" on Oswald, aka "research files," that were not seen by HSCA or any other component of the CIA, as Malcolm Blunt says "they are like a whole separate agency."

25. Larry Haapanen notes, White House Situation Room Incoming-Outgoing Message Log for 11/22/63-11/30/63 (the extant log for November 1963 ends abruptly on the morning of 11/2263).

26. Records of the Dallas-based 488th Military (Strategic) Intelligence Detachment (Counter-Intelligence) unit histories and rosters 1962-1963.

27. Records of FBI wiretapping of Oswald whle in police custody as well as post assassination taps of Ruth Paine and Michael Paine and Marina and Robert Oswald phones, as reported by Irving police chief Paul Barger.

28. White House Communications Agency (WHCA) records for 11/22/63 i,ncluding tape of Secret Service motorcade security radio channel that included Roy Kellerman talking as the third shot was fired, and radios in LBJ's car, the AF1 cockpit and the WHCA base station at the Dallas Sheraton hotel.

29. Missing Mexico City records include LILYRIC (Soviet embassy photo records, Sept. '63); LIFEAT (wiretape records, for all of 1963), daily resumen wiretap summaries for 1963, and records withheld by ARRB at request of CIA and FBI that may be released in the October 26, 2017 data dump.

30. Many relevant FBI 134 Informant records are missing or being withheld.

31. FBI dispatch tape of Dallas calls for 11/22/63 is missing.

32. The Harper Fragment bone found at Dealey Plaza on 11/23/63 and believed to be a bone from JFK's head disapeared.

33. The photographer who took autopsy photos claims to have taken photos not among those at the NARA today.

34. The National Photo Interpetation Center (NPIC) report on their study of the Zapruder film and Art Lundal's briefing of CIA Director John McCone is missing, though McCcone told RFK that the CIA said there were two gunman.

35. The JMWAVE NPIC records and other NPIC assassination records were, according to a NPIC secretary, boxed and at the orders of Robert Kennedy sent to the Smithsonian Institute instead of the NARA.
BillKelly at




  1. Missing as mentioned in #13 in your list are the SS trip records from the end of Sept/63 Conservation Tour records. The only doc in those file boxes is a single sheet saying "withdrawn for national security purposes".


  1. The ARRB's definition of an "assassination record" was broad in scope. 36 CFR 1400.1 defined the scope: "(An assassination record) includes, but is not limited to, all records, public and private, regardless of how labeled or identified, that document, describe, report on, analyze or interpret activities, persons, or events reasonably related to the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and investigations of or inquiries into the assassination." Further guidance can be found online at Appendix D of the ARRB Final Report.

    The Board's Final Report states that the agencies were often far from timely in providing their documents, and that they encountered significant resistance in obtaining the documents.

    A quick look in the files reveals that, at a minimum, the ARRB was unable to obtain the full assassination-related records for 1963 and other relevant dates for Angleton's CI-SIG unit, the CIA Office of Security, the signals/communications intelligence section Staff D, the Miami CIA station, the Mexico City CIA station, and similar documents within NSA, Army Intelligence, ONI, Marine Intelligence, and Customs. As an example, look at the counter-intelligence and security forces at the Miami station, which was composed of Cubans ready to take over Cuba at a moment's notice in the midst of a US invasion. Virtually all of the AMOT records are missing, as well as the related units AMCHEER and AMFAST. This inability was and remains a political problem - a new ARRB is going to be necessary as we go forward.

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#92
Quote:I hardly think 'all is lost' or that we can do nothing. However, we have been fooled again...and I think it was naive of many to think that all the documents [especially the 'best ones'] were going to be delivered just because the law said they should be. The law also didn't allow for the public execution of the President in 11/1963 - especially by elements of the 'government'. Yes, the public uproar after the film JFK came out pressured Congress to do something they didn't want to do and wouldn't have done on their own - the JFK Act. It gave the agencies and government 25 years to declassify ALL relevant documents [the list of documents given + those withheld does NOT equal ALL RELEVANT documents [see Kelly's incomplete but good list I posted elsewhere and can repost here]! They pulled a fast one on the Public with the Warren Commission; they pulled a fast one on the HSCA; even on the ARRB [although a little light and work was done by the later two despite the infiltration by CIA and others]; and of course they infiltrated and destroyed Garrison's case, not to mention all the witnesses they murdered or frightened into silence, the testimonies they changed, the propaganda they spun and spin still, the faux articles/books they authored or paid prostitutes to write - and the MSM outlets that would fire anyone and hasn't promoted those who'd dare to speak the truth [even raise the questions about it] on Dallas, L.A., Memphis, OKC, WTC-1, 911 and so many other strange events.I hope I'm wrong that there are a lot of people interested in this and upset as you and I are that the documents are still being withheld [and that others we know exist are not even on the list!]. I'm all for getting them to force the hand of government to do what should have been done in 1963/68/01 and many other dates. Maybe I'm isolated where I am and what I listen/watch, but I don't sense outrage generally. Again, I hope I'm wrong.As for who is behind Trumps staying in the WH so long - that is hard to tell. I think some members of the IC and deep state think they can use him as a useful idiot. Others are clearly trying to get him out ASAP.;Anyway, I'm all for trying to get the Public whipped up to protest, petition, act....but I'm more inclined to direct Citizen Action than I am in sending a note to a representative or senator - as I think unless they see huge protests and massive campaigns at their door, home visit meetings and every phone, fax, email, etc. they 'listen' to the lobbyists paying them and not their constituents. There are a few exceptions.;I just saw a lot of naivete among people I know should know better - who thought the right thing would finally be done....when the coup cabal is still in power???!!!! I don't think it will be easy - because I strongly suspect they not only do NOT WANT to release the documents, they [from their position] CAN NOT - as they would be shown to have long had no clothes on and that the entire Potemkin village called the USA polity has long been only smoke screen a la Wizard of Oz [i.e., all lies and deception/misdirection/propaganda]. No one more than I wants to see an end to all of this - forever! I just think it will take a change of the entire structure. If you believe otherwise, please be my guest and fight whatever way you think best - and I will fight whatever way I think best. I can tell you I don't and have not over the years sat on my hands. I have been arrested, had guns pointed at me by federal agents, had everything I owned and all my money taken away (illegally), been threatened with my life, and more I don't care to mention in detail here. That all happened because I was NOT sitting on my hands. We all have our own ways of fighting the system and I see no good in critiquing how others choose to do so - as long as everyone does something.....not the maximum they can in the way they see best.

All definitely fair enough, and my earlier post was probably way more aggravated than was warranted - I think I was still irked at some of Scott's mocking posts from the day and took it out on you when I viewed your post as overly negative. I sense outrage and a desire to improve things from people once they've received information about the situation. Is there a NARA statement or documented link somewhere that offers an official quote listing the tally of 30,000 documents still waiting, or was it confirmed offline from some guy's FOIA request? A verifiable link to documentation that shows the approximate figure would be more than useful.
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#93
I am preparing an article for Consortium News on this subject.

Trump did about the worst thing he could have done on Thursday. This allowed literally thousands of documents to be hidden again.

The CIA itself has said they have 18,000 documents to review. Which leaves about 12,000 more from the FBI, State and HSCA.

Not one CIA document was released in full on Thursday. Not one. And the number of new documents released that day was completely misrepresented.

The ones everyone has been waiting for, the files on Hunt, Phillips, Harvey and Angleton's secret deposition are still not released.

There is something going on about all this that the MSM completely missed. No surprise. I will talk about it in my article.
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#94
Youssef El-Gingihy, the UK writer who did the piece I linked up above for THE INDEPENDENT, tells me he'll be doing another article for the newspaper in April. I'm going to send him a link to your piece as soon as it's up.
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#95
Is this a new document about Hitler living at least until 1955?
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
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#96
Jim DiEugenio Wrote:I am preparing an article for Consortium News on this subject.

Trump did about the worst thing he could have done on Thursday.

The above is true for EVERYTHING Trump does. ::fury::

Trump's current priorities are:
1. Trump
2. Putin

Before he ran for office, he only did what was best for Trump. Since his election Trump has only done what was best for Putin.

So what quid pro qou can the FBI/CIA et al do that is good for Putin's Bitch, or Putin himself?

Or the old standby explanation - Trump is so ignorant regarding the JFK assassination (like the MSM who is unaware that the "newly released" info they've touted was actually released many years ago...) that CIA could tell him *anything* was National Security related and Trump wouldn't know.

Looking forward to reading your article,

Tom

PS When are we going to hear complaints that once again, documents held for 50+ years had nothing to do with National Security and should never have been withheld? i.e. Why is the classifying agency never hammered for classifying documents that never met the classification criteria?
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#97
My read of Trump's priorities:

1) Trump
2) Netanyahu

On Putin: If Vlad were the number two priority, he would have lifted the sanctions. Instead, he strengthened them. The Dems are the ones kissing Putin's butt.
"We'll know our disinformation campaign is complete when everything the American public believes is false." --William J. Casey, D.C.I

"We will lead every revolution against us." --Theodore Herzl
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#98
SO MANY documents are still missing! Both not disclosed on the 26th as 'promised' and those never listed as 'promised' for the 26th. See the good list Bill Kelly made and Bill Simpich and others added to in post above #91. But even that is not complete. The White House Communications Logs are missing as are SO MANY other important files we know must have once existed and likely still do even when they say they were routinely destroyed. And IF they were destroyed, legal action should be brought against those who destroyed them - and if they are dead against the agencies they were employed by, so that something like that never happens again. While the JFK Assassination was the low point for the USA since the Civil War, IMO, since then similar actions have been repeated MANY times. Had the conspirators not been able to get away with Dallas RF K, MLK, Malcolm-X, and many others too numerous to mention would not have been assassinated, COINTELPRO and CHAOS would not have been run, many wars [most in fact] would not have happened or be happening now, 911 and the (un)Patriot Act never would have happened, the War OF Terror never would have been proposed as the new Cold War substitute for endless war, and those who profit from war and hate and greed would not be so ascendant in the USA. IMO, it all can be traced back to the mind set that allowed those in the shadows to murder the President and our Democracy along with him. Truth and seeking the Truth were thrown out the window along with any sense of morality - and look what we got and have now. They KNOW that even today were the People of the USA to know, as a few of us do who study this matter and Deep Politics, who actually did it and covered it up - there would be a Revolution and no more FBI, CIA, NSA, ONI, DHS, over-powerful Military and militarized Police, COG in place to this very day, et al.....and THAT is why they will NOT and CAN NOT release the documents they refuse to release! It would be suicidal for 'them' and I hope someday it is. This system can not be reformed - only replaced - and that can only be done bottom-up; and can be done peacefully - while they will use the Police and all their secret fire power and propaganda/black arts to see that such a peaceful revolution of American Polity never happens - as that IS THEIR JOB [as they see it and as their masters command of them]. I predicted that the better documents would NOT be released and am not surprised. They simply can not from their point of view - they have killed a President, directly about 4 million and indirectly about 70 million people since WW2 to protect their corrupt ideals and power - and they would not shrink from killing of a lot of the US [and other Nations'] Population, IMO, to keep their dirty little secrets and their goals/power today. Sadly, they remain in power - and their power is GROWING fast because they fool most in the USA who don't want to consider just how evil and corrupt the system is and has always been; that they have been systematically lied to and deceived with a torrent of untruths constructed to be untruths - but presented as the Truth 1984-style. Anyone who thinks we can 'vote' our way out of this with the Democrats or some other method, I think is naive and has not really learned the lessons of our history - which are as sad and foreboding as was Rome in the early years of the Common Era just before its collapse. I also do not think that the system will 'right' itself by ridding itself of Trump - he is only a symptom of this sick system, not the real nexus of the 'problem'. Look at the Congress [with a few exceptions]; look at the Supreme Court; look at the 'intelligence agencies'; look at the Military; look at the Police and DHS, TSA and the Fusion Centers; look at how many wars we are fighting for nothing and how there has not been one day without war since WW2 'ended' [ha!]...and the pace increased after Dallas to this very day; look at the War against the poor and non-white; look at the corruption; look at how all the money and power has gone from the many to the few...and I could go on and on...this is not by chance - this is BY DESIGN, and part of that design was to get rid of JFK and all others who stood in the way of this 'PLAN'. Some in the: CIA, FBI, NSA, parts of the Military, parts of the official Government, the SS, the Mafia, the Far Right, and the neo-fascists and Ultra-Rich had JFK [and many many others] killed so they could follow their 'PLAN'...and we are all to be made surfs if they are not stopped and they have zero intention to EVER release documents that would convince the average person - not just the experts who will read arcane documents and piece the puzzle pieces together - that they participated in ILLEGAL, IMMORAL and TREASONOUS acts - not once, but on an almost daily and ongoing basis.

...and to any who think I am throwing up my hands with my 'analysis' and rant above, I am not. I think it is, however, going to take an ALL OUT fight [a peaceful revolution] and nothing less. Yes, it is fine to also write your Congresspersons, write OP ED pieces, and write books and articles, blog and forum posts, but it will take more, IMO - it will take spreading of this awareness of the fact we are now at the edge of the precipice in political and environmental terms and we as a civilization must uno-mundo dismantle the power structures of control, manipulation, lies, top-down authority, war, hate, division, anti-democracy, racism, blaming the other, greed, concentration of money and power in the hands of a few - all over the World. We will need to be out in the streets and opposing what 'they want and they do' every step of the way. IMO, anything short of that will end with the end of human civilization in a very ugly fashion in the not too distant future. I think this is realism, not pessimism. Information that brings awareness is the first step, but it can not be the only step. 'Power never conceded anything without demand, it never did and it never will' - Frederick Douglass. So, we the People of the World will have to demand the World we want and be ready to face the powers that be and don't want the World we want with our bodies and buying power [and votes] using peaceful and passive resistance and other means of non-cooperation with their 'machine'.

Our main weapon is information, and the 'opposition' tries to deny us information [thus the non-release of evidence of their planning, involvement, and cover-up of the JFK high-noon slaughter and coup d'etat]....but one can easily site much other information denied or false information provided along with propaganda and media-propaganda blitzes [minus the few (but growing) alternative media now available online and elsewhere] - 911 and the War on [of] Terror are but two good examples. If we can convince a sufficient number of fellow US Citizen-serfs, and peoples of other nations, the way they have been tricked, lied to, bamboozled, cheated of money and democracy, denied the Truth, led to believe they live in a democracy when it is really an autocratic if not neo-fascist Oligarchy - then we can think up peaceful actions to stop them in their tracks. Personally, I think nothing less than massive strikes, work-stoppages, consumer boycotts of all non-essential items, buying from small entities not the big ones, forming local networks to inform and coordinate actions, etc. will we get anywhere. The Police State is all but complete [it is already complete as far as the poor and non-white populations of the US are concerned. But they have already long ago started the impoverishment and disempowerment of all the others but the small ruling elites with all the money and power [most of the power hidden to most of the population]. We still have the internet, but they are trying to control that [if you have missed that attempt at control, you do so at your own peril]. Fema through DNS had detention camps and militarized police getting information [spying on] allowed [on paper] action and thought. They hope soon to outlaw [or have partially already] all Black activists, all those who challenge the financial status quo and the oligarchical elite, all those who would oppose their machine, those who are anti-war, those who are not White, those who are poor, those who are not Christian, those who are pro-environment, those who oppose profit over people, those who really believe in democracy and not sham democracy, and those who can see through their lies and propaganda - we are on their target and eventually round-up lists. Sorry for the unpleasant wake up call - but the hour is THAT late, IMO. I have witnessed the rise of the new fascism and neo-feudalism all of my life and have opposed it, along with my family, throughout. I personally know what challenging the system can do to destroy one's life or make it difficult in the extreme - but do we really have any other choice. Yes, fight for the JFK documents and other [like 911 et al.] through the 'system', but NOT ONLY through the system - the system is so rigged and corrupt and anti-democratic that is a fool's game to rely on it only. When a sizable portion of the People DEMAND change - and are willing to put their relative financial comfort and safety on the line , it can happen - in fact that is the only way any progress has ever been made at ANY TIME in history...it has never come from the top-down, but only by pressure and demand from the bottom-up. I wish there were an easier way - but that 'easier way' is a propaganda ploy by the very oppressors we face...there is no there there....they now control who gets nominated, who runs, who wins and how the votes get counted - then they bribe and threaten those who 'win'. I do not count on the system, as a whole, anymore - some state and local parts of it are still semi-functional, but even those are being infiltrated and weakened. The Federal level has been bored out and only the stage props remain [fooling many]. Read a Peoples History of the United States by Zinn and see what had to be done and sacrificed to get what few crumbs we had gotten, but which mostly have now been taken away since Dallas. [and were the reason for Dallas and Vietnam and the other Wars and 911 and the current Police State, DHS, unPatriot Act, COG, NORTHCOM, and the intelligence agencies spying on all of us and doing black ops against us and against democracy. Wake up!...before it is too late [which will be soon....in my estimation not more than the next 10-20 year maximum, and perhaps less].
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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#99
A National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) official has told WhoWhatWhy that approximately 2,800 JFK assassination records remain withheld in full following Thursday's disappointing release. Here is an up-to-the-minute count of the documents that NARA has not yet made public:
Withheld in Full there remain approximately 2,745 documents withheld in full; of these 547 were withheld in full for tax or grand jury information that is not currently subject to release.
Withheld in Part after the July 24 and October 26 releases, there remain approximately 28,609 documents withheld in part; of these about 1,295 contain tax or grand jury information not currently subject to release.
So the total number of documents not released in full in the Collection [is] approximately 31,354; subtracting out the Tax and Grand Jury, there are approximately 29,512.
This confirms WhoWhatWhy's early reporting that the total expected document release was approximately 30,000 of which about 10% was released last Thursday and that only a small fraction of the withheld-in-full documents were released.

N.B. - this has nothing to do with the list of documents posted in post 91 above that were never listed for release...which some estimate totally several hundred thousand documents on JFK and related.
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
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Lauren Johnson Wrote:My read of Trump's priorities:

1) Trump
2) Netanyahu

On Putin: If Vlad were the number two priority, he would have lifted the sanctions. Instead, he strengthened them. The Dems are the ones kissing Putin's butt.

What????

Trump signed the almost unanimously approved congressional sanctions against Russia only because they were veto-proof. He has refused to implement them.

1. What is your source that Trump strengthened any sanctions with Russia?

2. What have the Dems done to kiss Putin's butt????
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