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Michele Metta's CMC. THE ITALIAN UNDERCOVER CIA AND MOSSAD STATION AND THE ASSASSINATION OF JFK
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A quick response to James' longer post.

Quote:I get a lot of words put in my mouth. I don't think I ever said that there were Italians working as front men in CMC to cover up the Nazi involvement. If I said it, it would be a mistake.

The quote in question was

Quote:there are elaborate scenarios of various Italians included in a sort of smorgasboard of activities which would try and "put a face" (a false face?) on the Centro Mondo Commercialle

So if you don't think Italians were putting a 'false face' on CMC to cover up another group, we're in agreement. I don't think so either.

Quote:As can be seen from the above Jim Marrs quotation, the CMC organization was part of a much larger scope than just Italy.

I have that Marrs book, and also just re-checked an online PDF of it. He's often a useful author. My issue with that excerpt you posted is that much of the key analysis comes from the pseudonymous Torbitt document, and any paragraph beginning 'According to the Torbitt document' isn't a great lot of use. Who wrote the Torbitt document? It's a guess. Does the guy who wrote it offer any documentation proving his thesis? No. So it's not a lot of use.

Quote:But what is the point being made by Mr. Thorne

My point in this thread has always been that Michele Metta has written a book on CMC, and some people might find it of interest.

Quote:Is this a suggestion that JFK was not killed by the worldwide Nazi network, but rather that JFK was killed by a group of Italians all by themselves who populated the Centro Mondiale Commerciale?

No, the only person who has written words along those lines in this thread so far is you, just now. My own suggestion, if it requires clarity, is that Clay Shaw was a member of CMC, and he was also involved in the assassination of JFK, and an Italian author has now written a detailed volume about CMC which offers new details about that organisation and which might be of interest. In fact, within the archival documents and footnotes of Metta's book, if someone cared to look, they could probably, eventually, source various people back to the various fascist circles you keep on referring to. This could surely be enlightening, so maybe some people might find Metta's book of interest once they read it? I would have thought so. But no, you offered a one line post early in the thread saying that the book looked like disinformation, and here we are on page three of the thread clarifying what my points were in my original post.

Paul Brancato at the JFK Education Forum - who read the Skorzeny book and apparently found it of interest - is reading Metta's book now and says it is 'incredible research, and very important'. If future posts in this thread could remain on the general topic of Metta's work here, it would be a great help.
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#22
Quote:Is this a suggestion that JFK was not killed by the worldwide Nazi network, but rather that JFK was killed by a group of Italians all by themselves who populated the Centro Mondiale Commerciale?

If I can say I've learned one thing by some of the greatest researchers in the world I've learned this...

It appears that the Nazis, Italians, South Africa, Israel, Russia, Cuba, France, Sweden, Iran and the United States all had a hand in whacking Jack, certainly, there'd been no way in hell Jack would've made it out of Dallas, no need for New York, can we agree to disagree?
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#23
Quote:But no, you offered a one line post early in the thread saying that the book looked like disinformation, and here we are on page three of the thread clarifying what my points were in my original post.

Paul Brancato at the JFK Education Forum - who read the Skorzeny book and apparently found it of interest - is reading Metta's book now and says it is 'incredible research, and very important'. If future posts in this thread could remain on the general topic of Metta's work here, it would be a great help.

Thank you very much, Anthony.

I add that Oliver Stone praised Metta. Jim DiEugenio praised Metta. Very recently, DiEugenio even added, once again in the Education Forum: "Permindex/CMC was just what Garrison thought it was many years ago. And that is why Clay Shaw was on the board and that is why he later tried to hide his association with that body. And we have it sourced in so many ways now that it's ridiculous: State Dept docs, Bloomfield archives, and this book [by Metta]."
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#24
I am waking up to the broader implications of Metta's book and Centro Mondiale Commerciale. I am convinced that it is a serious book and that according to almost all of the posters here, it is important.

Let me make a distinction, though. I said that there might be an attempt to "put a face" on Centro Mondiale Commerciale. Let me state the following:

1. There was such a thing as Centro Mondiale Commerciale.
2. It was in the early 1960'a located in Italy.
3. Clay Shaw had some role as a board member of CMC.
4. Because it was in Italy, there were Italians involved in whatever it was doing.

I slightly misstated my interpretation of the "putting a face" on CMC. I didn't mean to imply that these Italians in CMC were going a bunch of stuff solely to cover-up the role of Nazis or that their activities amounted to a cover-up of any sort.

What I meant was, that by writing about all the activities of these Italians in CMC and bringing up the book about them in relation to the JFK assassination, that could well be an attempt, perhaps well-meaning, to make it look like CMC was an assassination group who targeted JFK or were prime-movers in the JFK assassination.

IMHO, those who are promoting the significance of this book should make a "proffer" here as to what the author of the book is claiming regarding the JFK assassination.

We see many books that discuss the life story of J.D. Tippit, the biography of David W. Ferrie, the methodology of Parkland Hospital and their staff, etc. etc. But do they make any claims to have new evidence relating to the JFK assassination? I have at least 25 books which are on my shelf waiting to be read in re the JFK assassination. The count of the books I HAVE read is now over 200 on JFK related issues. I have only limited time available for these things.

Frankly, I am interested in the JFK assassination but I'm not all that interested in CMC or Italian politics in the 1950's or 1960"s. The kidnapping of Aldo Moro is interesting, but I do not read that much about it.

The more unusual thing that I have seen in this thread is that people seem to be excessively skeptical about my references.

1. Michael Liebig (who wrote about, among other things, the CMC) was writing for Executive Intelligence Review. That publication is a top source for intelligence information, maybe the best in the US in terms of volume of information. Like any other newspaper or magazine, it must have an editorial process which must be passed by a writer in their pages. (Granted is was originated by Lyndon Larouche who was a proxy for the CIA).

2. Jim Marrs pretty much invented JFK assassination research with his book Crossfire. He has been writing on the subject for 40 years at least.

If both of these writers hold a certain opinion about Centro Mondiale Commerciale in relation to Nazis, their opinions simply can't be that easily discounted. To put it another way, who could EIR or Jim Marrs cite as a source that would be a better source than EIR or Jim Marrs? The answer is NOBODY. EIR and Marrs are almost the gold standard IMHO in the field.

Granted that the Torbitt Document is unsourced. And the information regarding CMC/Permindex apparently all came from EIR/Torbitt in the first place back in 1970 when the Torbitt Document appeared. Jim Garrison did not mention Permidex in the index of his 1968 book "Heritage of Stone" but he did mention Permindex in the index of "On The Trail Of The Assassins" around 1988. So it looks like Garrison got his info about Permidex/CMC from the Torbitt Document and he felt it important enough to discuss in his second book.

But Jim Marrs and Jim Garrison (in "On The Trail Of The Assassins") both discuss Permindex/CMC as relevant to the JFK assassination, mostly because of the Clay Shaw connection. Their credibilty does not hang on their possible citation of other experts. THEY ARE THE EXPERTS!!!!

Finally, I am still curious about who Mr. Kaiser and Mr. Thorne thinks were the JFK plotters? I would really really like to know, just as a help to my own understanding.

Another statement has been made above that makes reference to "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" in the JFK assassination evidence.

I feel strongly about that question. Unless we are discussing someone who is still alive and is going to be tried for the murder of JFK, then "beyond a reasonable doubt" is not a very useful idea. Remember that O J Simpson was acquitted in his criminal trial where that standard applied. But he was determined to have killed his wife in the civil suit "by a preponderance of the evidence." So it was proven in court that O J killed his wife, even if not "beyond a reasonable doubt."

In fact, anyone who suggests the test of "beyond a reasonable doubt" in the JFK case or who suggests that it is possible to libel or slander a deceased President like JFK (or any deceased person) may be setting up unnecessary roadblocks to identifying the killers of JFK.

But in fact, I think the Skorzeny Papers has already identified the killers in general so all of this, including any new JFK stuff in the book by Metta may be moot.

James Lateer
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#25
A five star review has appeared (not by me, I haven't read it yet) on Goodreads. Hey, the Nazis do get a mention!

Quote:I will begin my review of Michele Metta's diligent and deep research by stating my own held beliefs of what was behind the assassination of JFK, formed after many years of study, hundreds of books read, conferences attended and membership of Dealey Plaza U.K., prior to reading this book.

Firstly, the assassination in Dallas was a coup d'etat, primarily conducted by CIA, probably initiated by Allen Dulles, but certainly involving James Jesus Angleton, (who according to Peter Dale Scott managed a second CIA within the CIA) with a green light to the plot given by elements within the JCS, which I feel would have been fully initiated in late 1962. Through CIA there were contributions made by the U.S. military, the Secret Service, renegade French intelligence and Israeli Mossad along with (to muddy the waters) anti-Castro and organised crime contributions. The coup being covered up by CIA, FBI, Secret Service and Lyndon Johnson. I find it telling rather than coincidence that French intelligence Colonel deLannurien was at Langley meeting with Angleton on the 22nd November 1963.

'CMC. The Italian Undercover CIA and Mossad Station and the Assassination of JFK', published in 2018, wholly confirms and reinforces my own beliefs of this case. Metta's conscientious investigation also confirms the probing that was undertaken by the much maligned New Orleans D.A. Jim Garrison in his indictment of Clay Shaw and his association with the Centro Mondiale Commerciale/Permindex.

I have to admit that such is the avalanche of links and connections exposed in this work that, for me was a struggle to stay with the narrative, such that I feel a re-read is necessary to fully take in the information. It is no surprise that the author requires the reader to 'please-pay attention' on a number of occasions throughout the text. However the effort is greatly rewarded as this book takes us through the maze of undercover connections between American, Italian and Israeli intelligence agents, international bankers, Nazi, neo-Fascist, Masonic, Mafia and big business chains. There have been known discoveries, previous to this book from the Bloomfield archives in Canada and it can be noted that the Bloomfield heirs shut this archive down. Louis Bloomfield was the founder of Permindex. Metta's work here exposes many more associated revelations.

It doesn't help that the majority of the supporting cast in this investigation are Italian personnel and the associated Notes that relate to documents are in Italian. Also this publication has no Index.

Yet, these are very minor negatives in what is a very important addition to the JFK assassination canon and gets a five star rating from me.
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#26
Quote:the nazis do get a mention!


okay! For god sake!!!!! The Nazis whacked Jack ya'll solved the case thank you, now lets pack this up and go home!!!
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#27
I've hidden some posts so as to keep the thread on topic. This thread is about the book by Michele Metta. If you want to discuss other books or topics start a new thread and do not derail this one.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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#28
Magda Hassan Wrote:I've hidden some posts so as to keep the thread on topic. This thread is about the book by Michele Metta. If you want to discuss other books or topics start a new thread and do not derail this one.

Thank you very much, Magda. Really appreciated
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