Ignorance is Bliss

[Peter Presland]

I originally intended this as a reply to Magda's post #10 on the 7/7 thread. However, it turned into something of a rant encompassing things I've been meaning to put in a Lounge-type discussion along the lines of

"It's all very well for us to constantly belly-ache about this 'Deep-Politics' stuff, but what can any individual or group do about it that has more than a snowball's chance in Hell of any worthwhile effect?"

Something like that. So here goes:

My own journey of inquiry and opinion over 7/7 has paralleled that of 9/11 and exposed a multitude of heretical and carefully hidden truths about Western 'Civilisation'. I started out with quite orthodox views. 9/11 occurred just after I had sold my business to a much larger company. I was at the height of my business career and earning potential but very VERY weary of it all and intent on taking early retirement. Any and everyone in such circumstances, whether they are concious of it or not, of necessity is likely to have pretty orthodox views. They are a 'sine qua non' of even the most modest 'success' within 'the system'. The eight years since 9/11 have been a time of startling and very uncomfortable awakening from the constraints of that orthodoxy for me. I'm not a 'mad conspiracy theorist' or any of the other scathing pejoratives employed by the guardians of 'orthodoxy' and their credulous dupes, to demonise and thus marginalise those deemed a possible threat to it. I am simply a healthily sceptical, reasonably intelligent individual who no longer needs to bow and scrape to ANYONE to feed and clothe my family. Neither do I give a fig for the trappings of Rank, Power, Privilege, Position or Place (a hangover from those old hippy days I guess ).

I could go on but don't wish to bore. Suffice to say that careful, honest inquiry has led me to conclude that 9/11 and 7/7 were BOTH 'steered operations' - to use the description of former German Minister Andreas Von Buelow. Steered by the Deep State structures that Webster Tarpley, Peter Dale Scott, Ola Tunander, John McMurtry and others have begun to uncover so convincingly - a sinister amalgam of Intelligence/Security Services and the agendas of super-wealthy 'Old Money' dynasties wielded largely through secret Masonic/Occult type fraternities and organisations. From what I have found, I would place the strength of my conclusions as going beyond the UK civil action 'balance of probability' to fully satisfying the criminal standard of 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

Unless I am feeling particularly mischievous, I tend to refrain from involvement in discussion of these things in 'polite company' though. I have learned that it only serves to isolate me further. But just let some establishment bore start one of those rah rah patriot/loyalist-type rants in my presence and like as not he'll be left wondering what the hell hit him, because neither am I inclined to suffer establishment sycophants gladly or in silence.

I'd be interested to hear others views on activities and ways of coping with all this and what, in an age of vast globalised nuclear, biological and propaganda/surveillance/security weaponry available to 'The State' and the 'Deep State' arbiters of their deployment and use, are deeply, DEEPLY unsettling facts.

Or maybe ignorance really is bliss tupido2:

[Peter Lemkin]

I originally intended this as a reply to Magda's post #10 on the 7/7 thread. However, it turned into something of a rant encompassing things I've been meaning to put in a Lounge-type discussion along the lines of

"It's all very well for us to constantly belly-ache about this 'Deep-Politics' stuff, but what can any individual or group do about it that has more than a snowball's chance in Hell of any worthwhile effect?"

Something like that. So here goes:

My own journey of inquiry and opinion over 7/7 has paralleled that of 9/11 and exposed a multitude of heretical and carefully hidden truths about Western 'Civilisation'. I started out with quite orthodox views. 9/11 occurred just after I had sold my business to a much larger company. I was at the height of my business career and earning potential but very VERY weary of it all and intent on taking early retirement. Any and everyone in such circumstances, whether they are concious of it or not, of necessity is likely to have pretty orthodox views. They are a 'sine qua non' of even the most modest 'success' within 'the system'. The eight years since 9/11 have been a time of startling and very uncomfortable awakening from the constraints of that orthodoxy for me. I'm not a 'mad conspiracy theorist' or any of the other scathing pejoratives employed by the guardians of 'orthodoxy' and their credulous dupes, to demonise and thus marginalise those deemed a possible threat to it. I am simply a healthily sceptical, reasonably intelligent individual who no longer needs to bow and scrape to ANYONE to feed and clothe my family. Neither do I give a fig for the trappings of Rank, Power, Privilege, Position or Place (a hangover from those old hippy days I guess ).

I could go on but don't wish to bore. Suffice to say that careful, honest inquiry has led me to conclude that 9/11 and 7/7 were BOTH 'steered operations' - to use the description of former German Minister Andreas Von Buelow. Steered by the Deep State structures that Webster Tarpley, Peter Dale Scott, Ola Tunander, John McMurtry and others have begun to uncover so convincingly - a sinister amalgam of Intelligence/Security Services and the agendas of super-wealthy 'Old Money' dynasties wielded largely through secret Masonic/Occult type fraternities and organisations. From what I have found, I would place the strength of my conclusions as going beyond the UK civil action 'balance of probability' to fully satisfying the criminal standard of 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

Unless I am feeling particularly mischievous, I tend to refrain from involvement in discussion of these things in 'polite company' though. I have learned that it only serves to isolate me further. But just let some establishment bore start one of those rah rah patriot/loyalist-type rants in my presence and like as not he'll be left wondering what the hell hit him, because neither am I inclined to suffer establishment sycophants gladly or in silence.

I'd be interested to hear others views on activities and ways of coping with all this and what, in an age of vast globalised nuclear, biological and propaganda/surveillance/security weaponry available to 'The State' and the 'Deep State' arbiters of their deployment and use, are deeply, DEEPLY unsettling facts.

Or maybe ignorance really is bliss tupido2:

Nietzsche said that here are two paths to happiness...the path of the average person and that of the 'philosopher'. Once one embarks on the path of the 'philosopher' there is NO way back and it is FULL of horrors and sadness unless and until you reach the Philosopher's happiness, ....and ONLY A VERY FEW ever reach the happiness of the 'philosopher'. The path for the 'average' person is easy and the rewards are 'simple'. Those of the 'philosopher' are profound and not for everyone - in fact for few. If I may say...you've opted for the Philosopher's happiness.....and I hope you find it. I'd guess you have. Nietzche may have been a bit of a fascist and elitist, but on this [above], I think he was correct.....

[Keith Millea]

Neither do I give a fig for the trappings of Rank, Power, Privilege, Position or Place (a hangover from those old hippy days I guess ).

Well Peter,
Here is a quick thought from this old hippie.Still long haired and long bearded.No compromises here.

Mid eighties song by the Country Western group the Bellamy Brothers.

"Old Hippie"

He turned thirty-five last Sunday
In his hair he found some gray
But he still ain't changed his lifestyle
He likes it better the old way
So he grows a little garden in the back yard by the fence
He's consuming what he's growing nowadays in self defense
He get's out there in the twilight zone
Sometimes when it just don't make no sense

He gets off on country music
Cause disco left him cold
He's got young friends into new wave
But he's just too friggin' old
And he dreams at night of Woodstock and the day John Lennon died
How the music made him happy and the silence made him cry
Yeah he thinks of John sometimes
And he has to wonder why

Chorus:
He's an old hippie and he don't know what to do
Should he hang on to the old
Should he grab on to the new
He's an old hippie...his new life is just a bust
He ain't trying to change nobody
He's just trying real hard to adjust

He was sure back in the sixties that everyone was hip
Then they sent him off to Vietnam on his senior trip
And they forced him to become a man while he was still a boy
And in each wave of tragedy he waited for the joy
Now this world may change around him
But he just can't change no more

Chorus:


He's an old hippie and he don't know what to do
Should he hang on to the old
Should he grab on to the new
He's an old hippie...his new life is just a bust
He ain't trying to change nobody
He's just trying real hard to adjust

Well, he stays away a lot now from the parties and the clubs
And he's thinking while he's joggin' 'round
Sure is glad he quit the hard drugs
Cause him and his kind get more endangered everyday
And pretty soon the species will just up and fade away
Like the smoke from that torpedo...just up and fade away

What a Long Strange Trip It's Been,Eh...... :hello:

[Magda Hassan]

I originally intended this as a reply to Magda's post #10 on the 7/7 thread. However, it turned into something of a rant encompassing things I've been meaning to put in a Lounge-type discussion along the lines of

"It's all very well for us to constantly belly-ache about this 'Deep-Politics' stuff, but what can any individual or group do about it that has more than a snowball's chance in Hell of any worthwhile effect?"

Something like that. So here goes:

My own journey of inquiry and opinion over 7/7 has paralleled that of 9/11 and exposed a multitude of heretical and carefully hidden truths about Western 'Civilisation'. I started out with quite orthodox views. 9/11 occurred just after I had sold my business to a much larger company. I was at the height of my business career and earning potential but very VERY weary of it all and intent on taking early retirement. Any and everyone in such circumstances, whether they are concious of it or not, of necessity is likely to have pretty orthodox views. They are a 'sine qua non' of even the most modest 'success' within 'the system'. The eight years since 9/11 have been a time of startling and very uncomfortable awakening from the constraints of that orthodoxy for me. I'm not a 'mad conspiracy theorist' or any of the other scathing pejoratives employed by the guardians of 'orthodoxy' and their credulous dupes, to demonise and thus marginalise those deemed a possible threat to it. I am simply a healthily sceptical, reasonably intelligent individual who no longer needs to bow and scrape to ANYONE to feed and clothe my family. Neither do I give a fig for the trappings of Rank, Power, Privilege, Position or Place (a hangover from those old hippy days I guess ).

I could go on but don't wish to bore. Suffice to say that careful, honest inquiry has led me to conclude that 9/11 and 7/7 were BOTH 'steered operations' - to use the description of former German Minister Andreas Von Buelow. Steered by the Deep State structures that Webster Tarpley, Peter Dale Scott, Ola Tunander, John McMurtry and others have begun to uncover so convincingly - a sinister amalgam of Intelligence/Security Services and the agendas of super-wealthy 'Old Money' dynasties wielded largely through secret Masonic/Occult type fraternities and organisations. From what I have found, I would place the strength of my conclusions as going beyond the UK civil action 'balance of probability' to fully satisfying the criminal standard of 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

Unless I am feeling particularly mischievous, I tend to refrain from involvement in discussion of these things in 'polite company' though. I have learned that it only serves to isolate me further. But just let some establishment bore start one of those rah rah patriot/loyalist-type rants in my presence and like as not he'll be left wondering what the hell hit him, because neither am I inclined to suffer establishment sycophants gladly or in silence.

I'd be interested to hear others views on activities and ways of coping with all this and what, in an age of vast globalised nuclear, biological and propaganda/surveillance/security weaponry available to 'The State' and the 'Deep State' arbiters of their deployment and use, are deeply, DEEPLY unsettling facts.

Or maybe ignorance really is bliss tupido2:

Well, there is no going back. Once you know you can't not know anymore and everything changes.

I also think that despite the absence of rose coloured tinting in the world view it is a liberating and ultimately empowering change. Just because psychopaths are running riot we are not obligated to play their game, give them legitimacy, respect, the time of day, buy their products, be their friend, anything. More importantly, we don't have to become like 'them'. Our interactions with everyone in our lives can be filled with generosity, respect and love. We don't have to a meek little sheep off to the slaughter or to the gas chamber. We don't have to go quietly. heep: Fuck 'polite' society and what the neighbours might think. Deep politics deals with serious matters but you don't have to take the players seriously at all and I for one really love laughing at the pathetic little wankers. :hahaha::bootyshake::aetsch:

[Magda Hassan]

P.S. Plus don't do all this alone. Go find comrades somewhere to work with on some of these issues. Think globally and act locally. United we stand and all that. By feeling all demoralised, despondent and alone at home one is playing in to their game plan very nicely.