The Finders

[David Guyatt]

I have come to the conclusion, though I am open to changing it upon seeing more evidence, that the top of the pyramid for all four aspects of child abuse is occult. The politicans and powerful people who abuse children, the gangs that traffic in children and pornography, and the scientists abusing children for mind control may never directly interact with the occult, but it is the occult which is protecting and overseeing the networks. I do not come to the conclusion that many of my peers have, which is that the dark occult networks are behind everything and are pulling the strings of every other mover and shaker in 'deep politics', but they are certainly protecting each other out of mutual interest.

An interesting analysis Timothy. I agree with your conclusion too. My guess is that the dark occult groups have a far longer term goal, and don't really concern themselves too much with day to day politics. They're looking at things from an aeonic perspective I imagine.

[Dawn Meredith]

I have come to the conclusion, though I am open to changing it upon seeing more evidence, that the top of the pyramid for all four aspects of child abuse is occult. The politicans and powerful people who abuse children, the gangs that traffic in children and pornography, and the scientists abusing children for mind control may never directly interact with the occult, but it is the occult which is protecting and overseeing the networks. I do not come to the conclusion that many of my peers have, which is that the dark occult networks are behind everything and are pulling the strings of every other mover and shaker in 'deep politics', but they are certainly protecting each other out of mutual interest.

An interesting analysis Timothy. I agree with your conclusion too. My guess is that the dark occult groups have a far longer term goal, and don't really concern themselves too much with day to day politics. They're looking at things from an aeonic perspective I imagine.

I am mixed about your conclusion. The dark side is not only behind child abuse- (and your four categories
are right on the mark.) Fifteen years ago I asked John Judge what his mentor Mae Brussel was investigating before her death.
His reply "Satanism in the military".
Then I go back to the 80's when satanism began appearing in rock music. And continues to this day.
There is plenty of evidence of JFK assassination and 9-11 as ritualistic events.
Thanks for reviving this thread.
Dawn

[R.K. Locke]

Mark Passio's website has a lot of content on this subject. His podcast is very good:

http://www.whatonearthishappening.com/podcast

[Doug Fisher]

I'll just offer my experience and a bit of my personal background. I'll have to be vague, so I apologize in advance.

I've known people who work with programmed individuals and survivors of satanic ritual abuse for as long as I can remember. So you could say that was the first "conspiracy" I was aware of. A vast majority of these people were programmed by the occult. Only a few that I knew were programmed by the government. But they used exactly the same methods. Same terminology. They were literally operating from the same handbook.

Now these weren't whackos who claimed to be programmed and you had to take their word for it. You could verify it. Lots of them were programmed by satanists. Some by people in government. Some by very prominent university professors, upstanding people in the community, etc. Lots of them were connected to the lodge. The one over-arching theme seemed to be satanism and the occult.

My theory (though I haven't found a smoking gun yet) is that the knowledge of how to program people, through trama-based induction of multiple personality disorder, originated in occult circles and only made its way into government circles around the second world war. The hierarchy is based on the tree of life, perhaps the Kabbalistic tree of life. It's been claimed that the Nazis gained the knowledge from occultists...and the Nazi party itself had its origins in the occult. Some of its ideas and symbols can be traced back to Blavatskyan Theosophy. Beyond that, I don't know how far back it goes. Somebody else could probably answer that question better than I.

I don't even distinguish between the CIA, Nazis, and occult anymore. They all bleed into each other. The CIA was essentially an occult Skull & Bones organization from its inception, and the Nazi party was an occult creation as well.

[David Guyatt]

I'll just offer my experience and a bit of my personal background. I'll have to be vague, so I apologize in advance.

I've known people who work with programmed individuals and survivors of satanic ritual abuse for as long as I can remember. So you could say that was the first "conspiracy" I was aware of. A vast majority of these people were programmed by the occult. Only a few that I knew were programmed by the government. But they used exactly the same methods. Same terminology. They were literally operating from the same handbook.

Now these weren't whackos who claimed to be programmed and you had to take their word for it. You could verify it. Lots of them were programmed by satanists. Some by people in government. Some by very prominent university professors, upstanding people in the community, etc. Lots of them were connected to the lodge. The one over-arching theme seemed to be satanism and the occult.

My theory (though I haven't found a smoking gun yet) is that the knowledge of how to program people, through trama-based induction of multiple personality disorder, originated in occult circles and only made its way into government circles around the second world war. The hierarchy is based on the tree of life, perhaps the Kabbalistic tree of life. It's been claimed that the Nazis gained the knowledge from occultists...and the Nazi party itself had its origins in the occult. Some of its ideas and symbols can be traced back to Blavatskyan Theosophy. Beyond that, I don't know how far back it goes. Somebody else could probably answer that question better than I.

I don't even distinguish between the CIA, Nazis, and occult anymore. They all bleed into each other. The CIA was essentially an occult Skull & Bones organization from its inception, and the Nazi party was an occult creation as well.

Doug, you mention connection "to the lodge" - can you go further and name it please? From your description it seems you are speaking of a particular lodge "the lodge" rather than a lodge?

The Qabalistsic Tree of Life has two sides. The light side and the dark side, with the latter being the Tree of Death, which is what I think we are dealing with interns of ritual abuse and programming. But I'd be interested to learn more about what you mean by occult programming?

All western occult practises use the Qabalah as their base system - this includes Freemasonic lodges too. It dates back to at least ancient Egypt and almost certainly beyond that to Sumeria.

The nazis had access to the occult via the Thule Gesellschaft, which gained their knowledge from the Rosicrucian and Masonic (and further back Templar) movements, who all practised these occult techniques. I suspect, but don't know, that Hitler was involved in raising Kundalini and that it was this that gave him the energy to cast the spell over people at the outset - his hypnotic presence that many people spoke of. But he had not properly attended to the shadow confrontation prior to doing that and was, therefore, a psyhologically unbalanced individual, which means when the rush of force came through it became increasingly destabilising - hence his later years as a psychological wreck and the many emotionally explosive - quivering with rage - episodes, and the need to get rid of him. This is just my pet theory btw.

I'd be interested to know why you think that they were "operating from the same handbook"?

[Doug Fisher]

I meant the Freemasonic lodges. When I said "occult programming" I just meant trauma-based programming that was done in occult circles vs government circles. Sorry for the confusion.

I have not studied the occult very closely so I'm just going by what I can observe from victims of such abuse and those who treat them. Thanks for clarifying that bit about the Kabbala.

I say they're operating from the same handbook because you would think that different methods, terminology, etc would be used if they weren't. It seems too uniform to me. I'm sure you've read "The Greenbaum Speech" that Hammond gave. I've found that to be accurate and to hold true across different groups and different cults.

[Doug Fisher]

Continue away Timothy. I, for one, am deeply interested in what you might add to this thread.

As regards the children's lack of knowledge about modern technology, do you conclude they were born into sexual slavery - a sort of Rosemary's Baby scenario?

Is the satanic aspect of child abuse a bi-product, so to speak, of international paedophilia or a central part of it, I wonder? It's never entirely clear, imo, which "taste" leads and which follows?

What does seem abundantly clear though, is that the international paedophile network/s have very highly placed members - and are protected by the intelligence services in a number of countries. The Detroux case shows also connections, as I recall anyway, to the Gladio network.

The Customs Agency documents described instructions for the impregnation of female members of the cult. It seems unfathomable that parents would willing to birth children into slavery. However, it is a theme that I have come across consistently in researching the phenomenon of satanic cults, it seems that the belief system has a justification for raising children to be abused and tortured. My opinion on this is mostly based on oral accounts, particularly the 'Greenbaum' speech of Dr. Corydon Hammond as well as the testimony of victim-witnesses in Dutroux and Franklin.

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Yeah, they call them "breeders" and they aren't always willing. They don't report the birth so there's no records. Sometimes the children are sacrificed when they're only days old.

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1987/Virgin...409b76eacb

The house where the group was centered in Washington is in the District of Columbia's Glover Park section, an area of middle-class homes near the fashionable Georgetown area.
Neighbors said a number of persons had visited the two-story, colonial- style home saying they were looking for the Chinese embassy.
''They were always Oriental,'' said Dan Mulholland, a medical student who lives two doors from the home. Mulholland and another medical student, Michael Finger, said they never saw children at the home during the three years the pair have lived in the neighborhood.
But Mulholland added, ''There were lots of pregnant women and couples.''
On one occasion, a man who was looking for the Finders told Finger that the address had been advertised in Europe as a youth hostel.
Another neighborhood resident, Nancy Wright, said a girl had come to her home and asked directions to the Finders house because she said she had seen the address on a notice at a bus station advertising a youth hostel.

Emphasis mine.

[Doug Fisher]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1987...en-finders

The men, Finders members Michael Holwell, 23, and Douglas Ammerman, 27, are in the Leon County Jail, charged with misdemeanor child abuse stemming from the unkempt, bug-bitten condition in which the children were found.
''Our main concern is to make clear to the authorities that we are very good parents and that the home environment is not just adequate but superbly happy, healthy, fun and educational,'' said Kristin Knauth, 26, a free-lance writer and editor and mother of Ben, 4, one of the children in custody.

http://infidels.org/kiosk/article/a-free...r-257.html

A Freethinkers' Haven Grows in--Culpeper?
Kristin K. Nauth
In one of the most conservative towns in Virginia, a female skeptic is launching a "live-in/live-out think tank" for secularists of all stripes. Only those with a good sense of humor need apply, though.
Seventy miles south of Washington, DC, is the town of Culpeper, Virginia, a pretty little burg of 10,000 with views of the Blue Ridge Mountains. Culpeper is the sort of place where your social circle is defined by which of the 30-odd Christian churches you belong to, the tallest edifice in town is the Southern Baptist steeple, and the Wal-Mart parking lot is full at 11pm on a Saturday night. George Washington surveyed the town's limits in 1749--and, according to a local joke, that's the last interesting thing that happened here.
The solid, red-brick corner house at 409 Macoy Avenue seems transplanted from another planet. On a block of crewcut lawns and military-corner boxwoods, this yard is veiled by a scrim of soaring, lacy bamboo. Cross the front porch and the first thing you spot is a quote by Emma Goldman on the front door: "Atheism is the eternal yea to life, purpose, and beauty." Well, that's a breath of fresh air; this town was starting to make you feel a little paranoid. Then you notice there's no doorbell, only a large Chinese gong, which makes a sonorous clang when you tentatively tap it with the drumstick hanging nearby.
And the smiling blonde woman who opens the front door looks far less like the natives you've met than like a young Swedish university professor. Which, it turns out, she is. Introducing herself as Merrie Shaker Pettie, female skeptic, she explains in softly accented but fluent English that she arrived two years ago from Stockholm, where she worked as a lecturer in philosophy. Her father was American, and she moved here when a relative bequeathed her this house.

This Finder, Knauth or Nauth, is obviously not being very honest by failing to disclose her relationship to The Finders. But who is Merrie Shaker Pettie? Marion's wife? Daughter? This poster claims they emailed Nauth and she said the following...

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/v...=46&t=8555

in a sort of poem that sometimes she goes by Kristin Knauth, sometimes by Kristin K. Nauth and sometimes by Merrie Shaker Pettie. Yep, she's not his daughter or wife, she's a fictional creation of or alternate personality of (K)Nauth. Now, I have no way to prove this, even if I did have the emails, because I could have made it up...but maybe you can track her down and write her yourself.

Now even if that poster is telling the truth, it doesn't mean much considering The Finders admit that they like to play games and confuse people.

[Doug Fisher]

Looks like this is a piece she wrote back in 1999

https://web.archive.org/web/201202270413...nowmag.htm

In From The Cold


In a new era of openness, the U.S. intelligence community learns to balance knowledge sharing and knowledge security


-By Kristin K. Nauth

Kristin K. Nauth, a Washington, D.C.-based specialist in intelligence/counterintelligence reporting and future studies, has contributed articles to numerous business, technology and policy publications.

[Doug Fisher]

Found a lot of new info here...still sifting through it...

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Zeta...opics/2219