Bernice Moore Wrote:I see there was a florer and shackley post here is another conein....fwiw..b
Oh, come on Bernice, many men have that huge V-shaped 'thing' on their forehead!!!!:ciao:
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
you do not m where's yours...do they shave them to look so....some ?? Conein was said to be in NAM IN NOV 63 during that time though never verified......b:ridinghorse:
Bernice Moore Wrote:you do not m where's yours...do they shave them to look so....some ?? Conein was said to be in NAM IN NOV 63 during that time though never verified......b:ridinghorse:
I was, of course, being facetious - that is one rare hairline 'event'! While some have postulated that some covert operatives had [by others] look-alikes placed in the Plaza to keep 'em with their mouths shut and muddy the waters, I'm more of the opinion that most [perhaps not all] of the suspected spooks attending the execution were the real thing. Some were active participants, some were probably just there for the 'thrill', and yet others were set-up to be there for the above reason [to keep them from talking about what/who they might know or figure-out - and muddy the waters].
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn
"If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass
20-12-2009, 09:41 PM (This post was last modified: 20-12-2009, 09:51 PM by James H. Fetzer.)
Myra, I have addressed the Conein issue in another thread. But I am strongly of the opinion that Lois Gibson was correct in her identifications. If I could only locate it, I have a pamphlet from a missionary organization that shows a photo of Charles Rogers, who apparently served as a helicopter pilot in Vietnam and was involved in an heroic rescue. Those who do not know the book should read THE MAN ON THE GRASSY KNOLL, where I will do a search on amazon.com for more data about it to add here. Apparently, we all agree about Charles Harrelson, where Jack and I disagree, not only about the third tramp--whom he takes to be E. Howard Hunt--but also "Frenchie", where I should think some convergence of opinion ought to be possible. When I organized a symposium at the Lancer Conference in 2000, as I recall, with Chauncey's daughter, Karyn, and his wife, who presented a portfolio of photographs from family albums and, in several cases, overlaid them with photos of the third tramp, Jerry Rose commented that, while he had been convinced in the past that it was E. Howard Hunt, he had now--based upon this presentation--changed his mind and agreed that it was Chauncey Holt. If Jack had been there, possibly he would have also changed his mind. Perhaps someone might be able to track it down and send a link for members to study? The book, THE MAN ON THE GRASSY KNOLL (1992), which is extremely interesting, is by John R. Craig and A. Rogers Phillip. I recommend it highly.
21-12-2009, 12:11 AM (This post was last modified: 21-12-2009, 12:42 AM by James H. Fetzer.)
I take it the figure on the left is J.C. King and the one on the right--the third tramp--is Chauncey Holt. But you overlook that Chauncey was one of the two "up close" players I got to know personally, the other being Madelenine Duncan Brown, with whom I had more than 100 conversations. (An interview with me about Madeleine's story may be found at this URL: http://www.paranormalnews.com/article.asp?articleid=583. I interviewed her in 1998: http://www.jfklancer.com/dallas98/dallas98speakers.html. Google for other interviews.) I believe I have already mentioned the symposium I organized at JFK Lancer in Dallas in 2000, as best I can recall, where his wife and daughter were present and projected many photos from the family album, including superpositions of several over photos of the third tramp, which led Jerry Rose to change his mind from that person having been E. Howard Hunt to having been Chauncey Holt. I would say more, but I am intrigued by your candidate. He certainly looks like a nasty piece of work: Argentina 1941-1945; Guatemala 1952-1953; Dominican Rep 1957; Cuba 1960; Brazil 1964; Peru 1966; Cyprus 1973-1974; Liberia 1974-1975. Am I right to infer he preceded David Atlee Phillips in charge of CIA operations for the Western Hemisphere? Do you have other photographs of him with known dates they were taken? I would like to see some of them. It is my belief that the tramps were "fall back" patsies if the Oswald scenario had not played out. Under those conditions, he seem to me to be an unlikely candidate for a "patsy". If you have more photos, please be sure to post them. Thanks!
21-12-2009, 12:23 AM (This post was last modified: 21-12-2009, 12:56 AM by Charles Drago.)
Honor is due, Jim, for the J. C. King ID and the "fallback patsy" acknowledgement -- whether or not King so qualifies.
I cannot trump your first-hand experience with the Holt brood, so I'll remain silent and be thought the fool.
To my knowledge Phillips inherited (operational control of) the Western Hemisphere -- if you'll excuse the warranted hyperbole -- from King and his masters, the Rockefellers.
This view of King is lifed from Thy Will be Done -- which remains essential reading for all of us. I don't have any others, but that's why God made James Richards.
Another word about the "fallback patsies" notion: You are in harmony with the Evica/Drago JFK conspiracy construct hypothesis when you reference the great depth of the doppelganger element in all of this.
Buy a suit at a high-end haberdasher. Step up to stand within the mirrors.
James H. Fetzer Wrote:Myra, I have addressed the Conein issue in another thread. But I am strongly of the opinion that Lois Gibson was correct in her identifications. If I could only locate it, I have a pamphlet from a missionary organization that shows a photo of Charles Rogers, who apparently served as a helicopter pilot in Vietnam and was involved in an heroic rescue. Those who do not know the book should read THE MAN ON THE GRASSY KNOLL, where I will do a search on amazon.com for more data about it to add here. Apparently, we all agree about Charles Harrelson, where Jack and I disagree, not only about the third tramp--whom he takes to be E. Howard Hunt--but also "Frenchie", where I should think some convergence of opinion ought to be possible. When I organized a symposium at the Lancer Conference in 2000, as I recall, with Chauncey's daughter, Karyn, and his wife, who presented a portfolio of photographs from family albums and, in several cases, overlaid them with photos of the third tramp, Jerry Rose commented that, while he had been convinced in the past that it was E. Howard Hunt, he had now--based upon this presentation--changed his mind and agreed that it was Chauncey Holt. If Jack had been there, possibly he would have also changed his mind. Perhaps someone might be able to track it down and send a link for members to study? The book, THE MAN ON THE GRASSY KNOLL (1992), which is extremely interesting, is by John R. Craig and A. Rogers Phillip. I recommend it highly.
