28-09-2009, 08:35 PM
(This post was last modified: 28-09-2009, 09:14 PM by Carsten Wiethoff.)
I was not aware of a book implying British/US interests in financing and enabling Hitler, with all the unspeakable crimes on humanity that have been committed.
BUT I PERSONALLY WAS PRETTY SURE OF THAT ANYWAY.
Many people have asked, how Hitler could come to power so quickly and control the minds of the population so completely. In this regard it is certainly no accident of history, that the west german BND was headed until 1968 (!!!) by Gehlen himself (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_Gehlen in German). You will find CIA documents regarding BND/Gehlen, that have been declassified.
I would be more interested in the classified ones.
If Hitler really came to power by the money that US/Brits had stolen in the first world war, or wherever, that would likely be the bloodiest black operation ever, with the revealing and commonly used ending that the Operative Hitler (aka Patsy) is betrayed after the deed and treated as the bad man (aka Terrorist) and brutally brought to death by his creators.
How many people would have believed Hitler near the end, if he had said or written the truth about his alleged role as an operative of US/Brit interests.
A question for the experts: Did Hitler actually try to say something like that or try to write (eg in his diaries) something to this effect? I would tend to believe him in this case.
If we logically follow that through to the world of today, applying the same MO, what would be more logical than this scenario:
Osama bin Laden and all the other Mujaheddin are operated and financed by the US to expell the Russians from Afghanistan. Once they achieve their goal, they are betrayed and hunted down, to kill any credible witnesses for direct US involvement. But, after all, this was Charlie Wilson's war and there was not so much reason to be ashamed about US involvement, in fact it was felt to be a great victory over the Russians, at least by Brzeziński.
Still, the Mujaheddin are betrayed from their share of the victory, and so they are really pissed off.
Osama bin Laden has the intellectual potential to see through this plot and realize how he and the whole Arab world is used as Patsies on the Grand Chessboard, and all of them are used and then betrayed and thrown away, with the help of other patsies, that are then.... (you get the picture).
Osama bin Laden realizes this deadly machinery going on and starts to organize resistance against it. He openly declares war on the US. (Who else did that in history ever, as the head of a resistance movement?)
At least Osama is not of the faint hearted variety.
On this, of course, the US is pissed off mightily, because, alas, the man is speaking the truth, and if allowed to continue, someday this man might stand in front of the United Nations and tell his story. And, shock horror, he might be believed.
So, disinfo sets in. False Flag operations attributed to bin Laden create the false impression that this is about killing someone, not about speaking the truth. Then of course, this is intolerable to US interests, and quickly Osama is branded a Terrorist and a "search" conducted for him. Under the Clinton administration he is pictured as a bad guy and Clinton reluctantly authorizes targeted killings, which fail. (Sidenote: for this, Clinton should have been impeached, not for Levinsky).
When Bush takes over, he has no idea. His trusty Vulcans, of course, know exactly how the killing machine works and that Osama can not be allowed to live. So someone has the ingenious idea, to use this image of the terrorist, to set him up as the patsy for the largest controlled demolition in the heart of an unsuspecting city, solving the nasty problem of asbestos and Enron at the same time, financing the whole operation with foreign insurance money and thereby making a profit at the same time.
Good plan, shabby execution.
Everybody who mentioned the name Osama bin Laden on September 11 should be arrested on the spot and forced to reveal his sources.
Ahhhh, and yes, this can be wonderfully used to execute the remaining Mujaheddin remembering the original plot in Afghanistan, get the poppy seeds going again and as an additional bonus by some quirked disinformational logic imply Saddam Hussein in the plot, who is also one of these operatives being betrayed into a paty and then executed.
PLEASE, for humanity's sake, show us the original writings of Hussein in prison. I, for one, would like to read them word for word.
The best part of it is that Bush jr. is also a patsy. I am SURE that he did not know what was really going on. He was given this disinfo bullshit called presidential brief on August 6, warning that bin Laden wants to attack the US.
Condoleeza Rice, would you like to make a statement on it, before I make a sworn affidavit before the attorney general?:rock:
And then, of course, after it all came down and poor Bush sitting in the classroom with this quizzical look, realizing that he, too, is set up for the fall if he does not go along, has absolutely no choice but to comply with the Vulcans and his father, of course.
I am pretty sure that his incomprehensible statement that he saw the first plane hit the tower, is multidimensional whistle blowing. First it was not American 11 hitting the first tower. Everybody who checks out Ronni Chowdry's clumsy attempt to get rid of flying evidence knows that. And then of course, the only way that Bush could have seen a plane hitting that building was that he was shown prefabricated snuff films.
OK.
Enough is enough.
I am willing to defend each and every single statement of mine. Please do inform all mentioned persons still alive and invite them to the forum. I'd like to have a real discussion on this, for one.
I said, I was much calmer after my holidays. But much more determined.
So I publicly invite Osama bin Laden into the forum, for a comment on my statements. Please, administrators, check his id carefully.
Carsten Wiethoff, in a revolutianary mood.
BUT I PERSONALLY WAS PRETTY SURE OF THAT ANYWAY.
Many people have asked, how Hitler could come to power so quickly and control the minds of the population so completely. In this regard it is certainly no accident of history, that the west german BND was headed until 1968 (!!!) by Gehlen himself (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_Gehlen in German). You will find CIA documents regarding BND/Gehlen, that have been declassified.
I would be more interested in the classified ones.
If Hitler really came to power by the money that US/Brits had stolen in the first world war, or wherever, that would likely be the bloodiest black operation ever, with the revealing and commonly used ending that the Operative Hitler (aka Patsy) is betrayed after the deed and treated as the bad man (aka Terrorist) and brutally brought to death by his creators.
How many people would have believed Hitler near the end, if he had said or written the truth about his alleged role as an operative of US/Brit interests.
A question for the experts: Did Hitler actually try to say something like that or try to write (eg in his diaries) something to this effect? I would tend to believe him in this case.
If we logically follow that through to the world of today, applying the same MO, what would be more logical than this scenario:
Osama bin Laden and all the other Mujaheddin are operated and financed by the US to expell the Russians from Afghanistan. Once they achieve their goal, they are betrayed and hunted down, to kill any credible witnesses for direct US involvement. But, after all, this was Charlie Wilson's war and there was not so much reason to be ashamed about US involvement, in fact it was felt to be a great victory over the Russians, at least by Brzeziński.
Still, the Mujaheddin are betrayed from their share of the victory, and so they are really pissed off.
Osama bin Laden has the intellectual potential to see through this plot and realize how he and the whole Arab world is used as Patsies on the Grand Chessboard, and all of them are used and then betrayed and thrown away, with the help of other patsies, that are then.... (you get the picture).
Osama bin Laden realizes this deadly machinery going on and starts to organize resistance against it. He openly declares war on the US. (Who else did that in history ever, as the head of a resistance movement?)
At least Osama is not of the faint hearted variety.
On this, of course, the US is pissed off mightily, because, alas, the man is speaking the truth, and if allowed to continue, someday this man might stand in front of the United Nations and tell his story. And, shock horror, he might be believed.
So, disinfo sets in. False Flag operations attributed to bin Laden create the false impression that this is about killing someone, not about speaking the truth. Then of course, this is intolerable to US interests, and quickly Osama is branded a Terrorist and a "search" conducted for him. Under the Clinton administration he is pictured as a bad guy and Clinton reluctantly authorizes targeted killings, which fail. (Sidenote: for this, Clinton should have been impeached, not for Levinsky).
When Bush takes over, he has no idea. His trusty Vulcans, of course, know exactly how the killing machine works and that Osama can not be allowed to live. So someone has the ingenious idea, to use this image of the terrorist, to set him up as the patsy for the largest controlled demolition in the heart of an unsuspecting city, solving the nasty problem of asbestos and Enron at the same time, financing the whole operation with foreign insurance money and thereby making a profit at the same time.
Good plan, shabby execution.
Everybody who mentioned the name Osama bin Laden on September 11 should be arrested on the spot and forced to reveal his sources.
Ahhhh, and yes, this can be wonderfully used to execute the remaining Mujaheddin remembering the original plot in Afghanistan, get the poppy seeds going again and as an additional bonus by some quirked disinformational logic imply Saddam Hussein in the plot, who is also one of these operatives being betrayed into a paty and then executed.
PLEASE, for humanity's sake, show us the original writings of Hussein in prison. I, for one, would like to read them word for word.
The best part of it is that Bush jr. is also a patsy. I am SURE that he did not know what was really going on. He was given this disinfo bullshit called presidential brief on August 6, warning that bin Laden wants to attack the US.
Condoleeza Rice, would you like to make a statement on it, before I make a sworn affidavit before the attorney general?:rock:
And then, of course, after it all came down and poor Bush sitting in the classroom with this quizzical look, realizing that he, too, is set up for the fall if he does not go along, has absolutely no choice but to comply with the Vulcans and his father, of course.
I am pretty sure that his incomprehensible statement that he saw the first plane hit the tower, is multidimensional whistle blowing. First it was not American 11 hitting the first tower. Everybody who checks out Ronni Chowdry's clumsy attempt to get rid of flying evidence knows that. And then of course, the only way that Bush could have seen a plane hitting that building was that he was shown prefabricated snuff films.
OK.
Enough is enough.
I am willing to defend each and every single statement of mine. Please do inform all mentioned persons still alive and invite them to the forum. I'd like to have a real discussion on this, for one.
I said, I was much calmer after my holidays. But much more determined.
So I publicly invite Osama bin Laden into the forum, for a comment on my statements. Please, administrators, check his id carefully.
Carsten Wiethoff, in a revolutianary mood.
The most relevant literature regarding what happened since September 11, 2001 is George Orwell's "1984".