12-01-2010, 10:51 PM
(This post was last modified: 13-01-2010, 02:48 AM by John Bevilaqua.)
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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:If Otepka did initiate the October 1960 request to CIA and MI for details of which defectors to the USSR were double agents or, in other words, "false defectors", then it would be important to establish a motive for such behaviour. On the face of it, a man in Otepka's position would surely not have expected truthful and honest answers to his questions. And he would also presumably not have expected CIA or MI, let alone someone as inherently paranoid as Angleton, to identify double agents to him.
John Bevilaqua Wrote:That assumes, of course, that Otepka and Angleton were NOT in gahoots with each other on the planned use of Lee Harvey Oswald to invoke a paranoid knee-jerk cover-up reaction at some point in the future for perhaps a pre-planned mission of "some sort or the other". Sounds primitive, but I actually think they were in gahoots from day one on Oswald.
The defection of Oswald to the USSR, and his untroubled return, with KBG-affiliated bride, to the USA prove, beyond any doubt, that Oswald had handlers with the power to allow a "traitor" and "national security threat" to waltz straight back into America.
John Bevilaqua Wrote:Yep and they probably were people like Angleton, Morris, Cline, Eastland, Thurmond and Otepka at a bare minimum. I don't think they would have needed anyone else IMHO. And all of this is just to be considered as an honest opinion right now with some very liberal and speculative extensions.
For me, this leads to the following fundamental questions about Lee Harvey Oswald:
Who was handling Oswald at the time of his defection?
Who was handling Oswald during his and his KGB-affliated wife's miraculously easy, and therefore greased, return to such as the White Russian community in the US and the Paines?
John Bevilaqua Wrote:See above: I call them the WACL, CIA, SISS, ASC, McCarthyite and MarArthurite leadership crowd: Ray S. Cline, Roger Pearson, Elmore Greaves, Thomas Ellis, Alton Ochsner, Sr. and Jr., Edwin Meese III from WACL and Otepka and Morris from the McCarthyites, and Willougby and MacArthur from the MacArthurites and Ray S. Cline and Angleton from the CIA. Eastland, Dodd, Sourwine, Morris and Elmore Greaves from SISS. Again, just one man's opinion. Would they really need anyone else here?
Was the group that assassinated Kennedy the same as that which was handling him during his defection and return?
Or did another group plotting to assassinate JFK learn the identity of Oswald's handlers?
John Bevilaqua Wrote:The former statement is what I would argue very strongly for in fact. The same SISS and WACL crowd that handled Oswald and his "legend building" in Miami, New Orleans and Dallas (Banister, Eastland, Dodd, E.H. Hunt, Edward S. Butler, Walker, etc.) were the ones who got him involved with Dealey Plaza and they each had a role in Dallas or New Orleans on D-DAY. Compartmentalization was the operative word. And of course, they got him out of the country knowing what his mission really was, then got him into Minsk and on demand they passed him through West Berlin where he tried to kill Yaroslaw Stetsko then on his way to Rotterdam and on to the docks of beatutiful downtown Hoboken where Spas T. Raikin of the ABN and The ABN Journal was waiting for him. Was this where Raikin truly high-jacked Oswald and then sent him along to the ROCOR White Russians under De Mohrenschildt and Vonsiatksy in Dallas? Or was it more like just a pass-through of the perfect patsy and agent from one associated group to another? Morris and Willoughby were both friends with the ABN and SY Otepka crowds, Morris was Otepka's attorney after he got canned and he was Walker's attorney after Ole Miss after all, and Willoughby wrote for the ABN Digest or the ABN Journal whatever it was called along with Raikin, so they were indeed kissing cousins at the very least. And Morris, Willoughby, Angleton and Cline sat on the Board of Dictators of the American Security Council and they were all involved in Counter Intelligence with a Fascist flavor, so I vote for a true simple handoff rather than a complex high jacking.
If the latter, did this group learn that Oswald's defection and return had been handled by an element of American intelligence - eg CIA, ONI, MI? And did this group therefore deliberately add to Oswald's intelligence legend and select him as the patsy for the assassination of Kennedy? A patsy whose background would have to be covered up by his original handlers to save their, and their institution's, very existence?
John Bevilaqua Wrote:Yes. Yes. and Yes. But I am not really sure that Angleton ever gave a rat's tail about the future of the CIA. That Honetel 7 mole search of his was meant to cripple, discredit or destroy the CIA so why not use the JFK hit the same way? Angleton did know that his plan would GUARANTEE one of the the desired outcomes: War with Cuba or Russia or both or barring that, the perfect stalemate. Even Willoughby and MacArthur were so dead set on war with the ChiComms that they risked their careers by being insubordinate to Truman... and lost. Would World War III have been a disappointment to either Angleton or Willoughby? Heck no. What better scenario to assure the Rise of the Fourth Reich from the ashes of a nuclear conflagration between the USSR and the USA? Wanna see a fight to the finish between us? Sure. Go right ahead. We fought the wrong guys during World War II.
Angleton's message was:
Do not come sniffing around here for info on Oswald, we all know that he was an MK/ULTRA programmed assassin. YOU DO NOT WANT TO EVEN GO THERE. Trust me on this, thank you very much. When Dodd went sniffing into Stashinsky in West Berlin, he was censured by the Senate and never got elected again.
Plus the wildcard.
Was Oswald an MK-ULTRA test subject in Atsugi?
John Bevilaqua Wrote:Probably Atsugi, Taiwan, Minsk, etc. etc. These ROCOR and SKOM and SMOM types including maybe even Opus Dei, the Augustans, was it(?) from David Guyatt's informant, and the OSJL of Jesse Helms, Robert Gayre, the Hunts, Lord Malcolm Douglas-Hamilton, The Cliveden Set, and all the other Knights of the Sovereign Military and Hospitaller Order of St. John of the Isle of Rhodes and Malta really only cared about one thing: ComSymps, Infidels and Heathens who did not fight hard enough to defeat the Communist Menace had to die. After all it was William Nelson Cromwell of Sullivan and Cromwell who turned SMOM into an intelligence operation and then taught the brothers Dulles and Bill Donovan, OSJ and J. Peter Grace, OSJ and the Angleton family plus Charles Willoughby how to use that power to defend The Mother Church against all incursions foreign and domestic. Someone has a web site showing that 85% or more of the CIA Directors had the OSJ designation: Casey, Colby, Tenet, Panetta, Donovan you name them. CIA should really stand for The Crusaders Intelligence Armada or whatever. And another OSJ Knight named Bonaparte started the FBI, too. Walter Beddell Smith was an OSJ as well I think and certainly James Angleton had a similar designation. Praise God and pass the ammunition.
A bumper sticker from the late 1960's in Cambridge, MA once said something like: "Killing Commies for Christ the King - The American Way". I just chuckled then, but now I see how true that really was. Really true. And if you ever dared to interfere with the flow of either Cotton, Bananas or Oil that made you a double traitor.
In fact, was Oswald an MK-ULTRA test subject from childhood, as per an interpretation of the Harvey and Lee hypothesis?
John Bevilaqua Wrote:I have yet to read that book, but it is quite probable. Juvenile delinquent, borderline or over the top anti-social personality disorder, truant, punk and loud mouth with no father present makes for a great candidate. Just my opinion though.
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