the mannlicher carcano

[Anthony Marsh]

cia memo in reference to the rifle saying that it was not a mannlicher carcano b

Just so you know, the only rifle which could be a model 91 modified in 1938 is the Mannlicher-Carcano. No Mauser.
But they are correct that it is not the 1941 modification.
It was made in 1940.

[Bernice Moore]

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[Bernice Moore]

My take on the result of the debate was that there were at least three different rifles exclusive of the Moschettieri Del Duce Carcano that were presented at one time or another as THE KILL-SHOT WEAPON. This fact was first established by Jack White and later substanciated by me employing a pixel by pixel analysis of the three rifles. I will refer you to Jerry McCleer's website where I believe that analysis is archived. Also, we were able to determine that at least one version of C2166 is an out and out forgery where the lines of demarkation and the serial numbers are clearly visible and can be easily compared to the original C2166. those comparison photos along with my analysis should also be archived on Jerry's website.

http://jfkresearch.freehomepage.com/



Respectfully:

My take on the result of the debate was that there were at least three different rifles exclusive of the Moschettieri Del Duce Carcano that were presented at one time or another as THE KILL-SHOT WEAPON. This fact was first established by Jack White and later substanciated by me employing a pixel by pixel analysis of the three rifles. I will refer you to Jerry McCleer's website where I believe that analysis is archived. Also, we were able to determine that at least one version of C2166 is an out and out forgery where the lines of demarkation and the serial numbers are clearly visible and can be easily compared to the original C2166. those comparison photos along with my analysis should also be archived on Jerry's website.http://jfkresearch.freehomepage.com/





Respectfully: John Ritchson

[Bernice Moore]

Phil here is the hsca rifle report fwiw b

[Phil Dragoo]

[size=12]Mr. McDONALD. And you are saying in your test fires, your
comparison with the FBI test fires, you could not say that those
bullets came from CE-139?

Mr. BATES. That is correct .

____________________________________

[size=12][size=12]Mr. McDONALD. Were you able to reach a conclusion as to what
rifle fired CE-573, the Walker bullet?
Mr. NEWQUIST. No, we were not, due to the distortion of CE-573,
and lacking a significant correspondence of individual characteristics

with the test, no conclusion could be reached .

____________________________________

CE139 photo has side loop not bottom loop as found in TSBD. BYP shows side.

No mention of auto shells found at Tippet scene.

Might've asked the panel how one shoots a rifle then parafin tests negative on the cheek.

Look, America, experts, photos, jargon--pay no attention to the utter lack of evidence.
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[Bernice Moore]

hi phil good catches, naw the walker bullet was distorted at first reported or felt not from a m/c..the bullets from the tsbd could nut be shot from the assassonarion m/c see attached, 3 rifles from the study, 3 rifles reportedly found that day incuding a britsh enfield and all announced on radio and telly to the public, funny how it was a mauser reported by the authouritys for a day and a half or, before they got it right e i believe even wade made that error, what, they had did not fit, until they made it do so it did not and does not pass the smell test...b

i'll be back in a bit phil can't find sumptin...:five:b

[Bernice Moore]

hi phil you may be interested in this telly report of the british enfield...b


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HlCswKHMuE

[Bernice Moore]

here's a bit more phil fwiw...i'll be back got mouse problems.:hahaha:..bah humbug

A couple of things. When the Mauser was found, Boone was asked
how he knew it was a Mauser. He replied that the barrel was stamped
"7.65 Mauser." He later recanted and said he called all bolt action
rifle Mausers.

Constable Seymour Weitzman owned a sporting goods store before
joining law enforcement. He too attested it was a 7.65 Mauser, and he
too, was pressured to change his report.

Roger Craig saw the Mauser and there was no doubt that it was stamped
"7.65 Mauser." He was asked to change his report, but unlike the other
two, he refused. And his life was never the same.

As for the Enfield, there is the video of NBC's coverage. If I recall correctly,
it was found on the roof of the TSBD. The report was made within the first
90 minutes of their coverage. The official "spin" hadn't clicked in yet, so
I have a tendency to believe a reporter on the scene witnessed the discovery
of the Enfield by police and filed a report with NBC.



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Testimony Of Seymour Weitzman


http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/history/wc_period/warren_report/Weitzman.html

A bit more on Weitzman...

THEORY: BARKER IN DALLAS ON NOVEMBER 22, 1963?

When Michael Canfield visited Dallas in April 1975 he interviewed Seymour Weitzman, who was in a home for aged veterans. Seymour Weitzman had a nervous breakdown in June 1972 - shortly after Watergate. He requested that his doctor, Charles Laburda, be present during the interview. Seymour Weitzman told Michael Canfield he had encountered a Secret Service Agent in the parking lot who produced credentials and told him everything was under control. He described the man as being of medium height, dark hair and wearing a light windbreaker. Michael Canfield showed him photographs of Watergate burglars STURGIS and BARKER, and asked him if either of these men resembled the "Secret Service Agent" he had encountered on November 22, 1963. He pointed to BERNARD BARKER. He told Michael Canfield: "I can't remember for sure, but it looked like him. Couldn't swear it was him though...anyway so many witnesses are dead...two Cubans once forced their way into my house and waited for me when I got home. I had to chase them out with my service revolver...I feared for my life." A recent JFK Records Collection Computer search revealed that one page of a Warren Commission document that dealt with Seymour Weitzman and the tramps was referred to another agency for review. [NARA 180-10095-10367; see 180-10095-10355] When the HSCA attempted to question Seymour Weitzman, Dr. Charles Laburda objected: "Since Mr. Weitzman was treated for emotional illness for many years...information sought from him should be extracted from his testimony and depositions made at that time [1963 to 1964]." [ltr. VA Laburda 6.1.78] Seymour Weitzman, born January 28, 1922, died in July 1985.

http://www.ajweberman.com/nodules2/nodulec19.htm

""Officer Seymour Weitzman, part of the Dallas police search team, later described the discovery of the rifle on the afternoon of November 22. He stated that it had been so well hidden under boxes of books that the officers stumbled over it many times before they found it. Officer Weitzmann, who had an engineering degree and also operated a sporting goods store, was recognized as an authority on weapons. Consequently, Dallas Homicide Chief Will Fritz, who was on the scene, asked him the make of the rifle. Weitzman identified it as a 7.65 Mauser, a highly accurate German-made weapon. Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig was also there and later recalled the word "Mauser" inscribed in the metal of the gun. And Deputy Sheriff Eugene Boone executed a sworn affidavit in which he described the rifle as a Mauser. As late as midnight November 22, Dallas District Attorney Henry Wade told the media that the weapon found was a Mauser.


… when the smoke cleared and all the law enforcement authorities in Dallas had their stories duly in order, the official position was that the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository was the Mannlicher-Carcano, which allegedly was linked to Oswald under an alias, and not the Mauser, which disappeared forever shortly after it reached the hands of Captain Fritz.


But even this revision of the official story did not explain the third rifle. A film taken by Dallas Cinema Associates, an independent film company, showed a scene of the Book Depository shortly after the assassination. Police officers on the fire escape were bringing down a rifle from the roof above the sixth floor with the tender care you might give an infant. When the policemen reached the ground, a high-ranking officer held the rifle high for everyone to see. The camera zoomed in for a close-up. Beneath the picture was the legend, "The Assassin’s Rifle." When I saw the film, I noted that this rifle had no sight mounted on it. Thus it could not have been either the Carcano or the vanished Mauser, both of which had sights.


I was not surprised to find that this third rifle, like the Mauser, had disappeared. But its existence confirmed my hypothesis that Lee Oswald could not have killed John Kennedy as the American public had been told. Setting aside the evidence of two other weapons on the scene, the incredibly accurate shooting of an incredibly inaccurate rifle within an impossible time frame was merely the beginning of the feat we were asked to believe Oswald had accomplished.""


Jim Garrison, On the Trail of the Assassins, pp. 113 - 115)

B.

You may be interested in Craig's article....

The Guns of Dealey Plaza

by John S. Craig

Action on the Roof

Oswald's 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano was not the only weapon seen in Dealey Plaza that day. At1 p.m. Dallas police officers were filmed by Ernest Charles Mentesana removing a rifle from the roof of the Depository. Unlike the Oswald rifle, the rifle Mentesana filmed had no sling, no scope, and protruded at least 7-8 inches past the stock, where Oswald's extended only 4-5 inches. <17> In the film two police officers are standing on a fire escape at the seventh floor of the Depository gesturing to the roof. In the next sequence the rifle is being examined.

Fort Worth Star-Telegram reporter Thayer Waldo watched a group of high-ranking Dallas police officers huddle together for a conference just a few minutes after 1 p.m. on the day of the shooting. When he spoke to a secretary who was privy to the officers' conversations, she told Waldo that police officers had found a rifle on the "roof of the School Book Depository." <18>

W. Anthony Marsh believes the rifle shown in the film is very likely a Dallas Police Department Remington 870 shotgun. Marsh notes that the Dallas Police Department used Remington 870 shotguns. One of the officers escorting three men in the railyards after the shooting was carrying a Remington 870 shotgun.

footnotes .....

17. Sibley, Robert. "The Mysterious, Vanishing Rifle of the JFK Assassination," The Third Decade, v. 1, n. 6, September 1985, p. 16.

18. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibit, vol. 15, p. 5.

19. Marsh, W. Anthony. "No Mentesana Rifle," The Assassination Chronicles, v. 2, n. 1, March 1996, p. 24.


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Testimony Of Seymour Weitzman


http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/history/wc_period/warren_report/Weitzman.html


i'll be

[Bernice Moore]

""Greetings:

My take on the result of the debate was that there were at least three different rifles exclusive of the Moschettieri Del Duce Carcano that were presented at one time or another as THE KILL-SHOT WEAPON. This fact was first established by Jack White and later substanciated by me employing a pixel by pixel analysis of the three rifles. I will refer you to Jerry McCleer's website where I believe that analysis is archived. Also, we were able to determine that at least one version of C2166 is an out and out forgery where the lines of demarkation and the serial numbers are clearly visible and can be easily compared to the original C2166. those comparison photos along with my analysis should also be archived on Jerry's website.

Respectfully:

John Ritchson""

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Jerry McCleer site..

http://jfkresearch.freehomepage.com/

Moschettieri del Duce

http://jfkresearch.freehomepage.com/duce.htm



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[Bernice Moore]

PHIL YOU MAY ENJOY THESE...VIDEO'S

MR TRULY'S RIFLE...HOSTY REPORT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJlOneSvi9Q



TELLY REPORTS THE 7.65 MAUSER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AqqNKsWCGY&feature=related