Badgeman

[Bob Ringler]

I called it a retaining wall because ground level is 2.3' higher on the backside of the wall than it is on the front side of the wall. The following murray image illustrates the difference in ground elevation between the front and back of the "wall".

[Bob Ringler]

Magda,

That fence is too low to give support to a shooter standing on a bumper , in my opinion. The bumper, the fence and an average height man just do not work well together, in my opinion. The picture we all know as "badgeman" shows a man who is standing erect, and not leaning on a fence.

Bob

[Anthony Marsh]

He does not need to stand on anything if he is infront of the fence.

A 5' 10" man standing 25' feet behind the retaining wall(in front of the fence) would expose about 1.5 feet of his upper body to the moorman camera.

That same man standing right behind the fence would expose about 1' of upper body to the moorman camera (if he was not standing on anything). To put him behind the fence you have to have a device that he can stand on, in this case a car bumbper.

Attempting to assassinate the president, who is in a moving automobile, by shooting a rifle while standing on a car bumper does not make any sense!

The fence is about 31' behind the retaining wall.

The Badge Man theory requires that we see his entire upper torso, about 3 feet. No just 1.5 feet.
I did not make up the Badge Man theory and I am not here to defend it because I know it is just an optical illusion. But don't misrepresent the conditions that the originators specify.
They require the tip of the rifle to be about 8 feet above the ground behind the fence.
If you place the man right behind the retaining wall, he would appear bigger than Badge Man does.
Seems you are trying to turn Black Dog Man into Badge Man. Cui bono?

[Jack White]

I called it a retaining wall because ground level is 2.3' higher on the backside of the wall than it is on the front side of the wall. The following murray image illustrates the difference in ground elevation between the front and back of the "wall".

Everyone calls it a retaining wall.

I have been very busy today, and will be tomorrow also. But I will
get back to you soon as possible.

My best answer is still that we took photos with three models in
the three locations, and they corresponded. I cannot locate the
photo yet on my new computer.

The difference in height of the "retaining wall" is only on its
south end. The north end is at grade level. Have you ever been
to Dealey Plaza?

More later.

Jack

[Anthony Marsh]

Here is a diagram I made which illustrates the apparent height of a person from moormans position. The apparent height is their height above the retaining wall. This is probably not exactly correct but i think it is very close.

Cute diagram but where are you getting your figures from?
How did you derive the distances? What elevations did you use?
Are you marking only the front edge of the retaining wall?
How high is Mary Moorman's camera lens above the ground?
What map are you using. Show us the overhead view.

[Bob Ringler]

Jack,

Yes I have been do Dealey Plaza.


Anthony,

I used the HSCA survey map to get my elevations. I assumed moorman's camera was 5' off the ground. The 90' distance came from a dale myers study.

[Bob Ringler]

Seems you are trying to turn Black Dog Man into Badge Man. Cui bono?

I am not mixing up blackdog man and badgeman. You can see both blackdog man and badgeman in this photo. (Blackdog man is not a man btw, black dog man is a woman with a baby)

[Jack White]

I hope these photos will answer all of your questions.

They were NOT at attempt to replicate the exact image, but to determine
whether the people images were the correct sizes as seen from the location
of Mary Moorman across the street. The poses were done by memory, since
we did not have a print of Moorman we were attempting to match. I knew the
locations of the people, and posed them based on knowing where Gary Mack
and I had determined they needed to be based on the tree, the sidewalk
steps and the corner of the concrete wall.

This photo proved to Nigel that the people sizes and approximate locations
matched Moorman.

Jack

[Bob Ringler]

Jack,

Can you show us where in the moorman photo you saw badgeman?

I dont think those pictures you posted match the geometry that is seen in moorman.

In moorman there is a person who is standing on the sidewalk, they appear to be all in black and they are holding a baby.

In the following photograph I have placed a white line over the head of the person who is standing on the sidewalk. I have placed a red line over the badgemans head. The apparent height of badgeman is about half of the person on the sidewalk. The woman on the sidewalk matches your "ken" very well. However, badgeman in moorman does not match the other two men at all.

Here is my blowup of the moorman photo using cheap software.

[Anthony Marsh]

Jack,

Yes I have been do Dealey Plaza.


Anthony,

I used the HSCA survey map to get my elevations. I assumed moorman's camera was 5' off the ground. The 90' distance came from a dale myers study.

Interesting. In what form do you have the HSCA survey map? Do you have it just as a computer file? Or do you also have it on paper so that you can measure distances with a ruler? How did you get your copy? Directly from the HSCA? Is there a notice on the bottom of your map which reads, "revised 6 March 1981"?

Word of caution: do not believe anything that Dale Myers says. I've caught him in several errors and lies.