Aussie PM dumped by own party

[Mark Stapleton]

It is interesting though that Rudd gov was apparently more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause than has been the case of any leader here for decades. He also took a strong stand on the illegal use of Australian passports in the Dubai murder and expelled a Mossad agent (but no doubt left others in place). His replacement Gillard's only public comment during the totally disproportionate Gaza bloodbath by the IDF was "Israel has the right to defend itself". Make of it what you will.

Yes, while Israeli bombs were slaughtering a defenceless Gazan population, Gillard tells us that Israel has a right to defend itself. No mention of the right of Palestinians to defend themselves of course. Apparently they have no such right. She was the only member of the Government Ministry to say this, as far as I know.

And in February this year, amid the global condemnation of Israel's identity theft of citizens of other sovereign nations in furtherence of their covert assassination policy, what does Gillard say about Israel?

Israel is admired around the world, that's what she said:

http://www.australia.to/2010/index.php?o...Itemid=158

[Magda Hassan]

Here is an article by the Z Jewish press of the Australian Jewish leaders official approval of Gillard http://www.jta.org/news/article/2010/06/...-of-israel. Interesting news about her partner Mark. I thought he was supposed to be her hairdresser :listen:.
I'm seeing that the Gillard years might be very much like Hawke years. Which should thrill business.

Murdoch has plans to buy out his partners in Foxtel and to do so needs government approval which has not been forthcoming. Another reason for his anti-Rudd campaign. But I'm sure he has mining shares too.

Peter for a good overview of Murdoch role in Whitlam's overthrow I recommend Kieth Windschuttle's book 'Fixing the News' 1981 I think. He was at that time teaching at Sydney uni iirc and realatively sane but has since become a rightwing nut job denying that Aboriginals were harmed in any way by white colonialisation. So despite his present questionable ultra-neo-con persona his early work on unemployment and other social history are good. Worth a read.

[Peter Dawson]

Peter for a good overview of Murdoch role in Whitlam's overthrow I recommend Kieth Windschuttle's book 'Fixing the News' 1981 I think.

Thanks, Magda. (I had decided that you must have mistakenly written "Whitlam" instead of "Rudd" when you said that Murdoch played a pivotal role in his removal.)

I ordered Pilger's A Secret Country last night - have never read it, to my shame. I'll have a look at Windshuttle's book too.

[Magda Hassan]

The President Pinera of Chile, which has some of the largest reserves of copper and other minerals in the world made a public statement today to assure investors (and the army that gets a % of every ton of copper sold) that Chile would not be 'dishonest' like Kevin Rudd and will in fact be reducing their mining royalties from 5% to 3% . Looks like the message was hear loud and clear.

[Helen Reyes]

[quote=Helen Reyes]
1. I know. So?

You just claimed not to know anything about Nicaragua.

No, I said I don't know anything about Nicaraguan politics.

The reaction by various world Governments to Israel's behaviour is not internal Nicaraguan politics, but global politics.

I don't appreciate your subtle misrepresentation here.

No, you refused to answer the question of whether we should expect a Zionist coup d'etat in Nicaragua by claiming not to know anything about Nicaragua. The misrepresentation is on your part.

Calling me naive for not subscribing to your theory that "Jews control the world" based on less argument than Mein Kampf provides, plus your insinuation that I work for Megaphone (you never clarified that accusation, I invite you to do so now) plus your various other comments lead me to believe that you believe in a global Jewish conspiracy, and that you think anyopne who doesn't agree with you is misinformed and/or working for the Jewish conspiracy.

Again, you are the one who should provide substance to your theory. I havent' seen substance or argument, just reliance on an assumption Jews control the world, which I don't find very compelling.

In fact, as a thought experiment, we could consider how Mark Stapleton might be serving his alleged Zionist masters, because

1) if his assertion is true, that Jews control the world, Mark Stapleton is presenting this fact in such a way as to make it appear false;

2) if it's false, he's exaggerating Zionist power, creating the public perception that Israel is much more powerful than it is.

That said, I am not a priori against the idea Rudd was deposed by some Israeli interests. The new "first boyfriend" is an Israeli lobbyist, which doesn't do anything to explain Rudd's removal, but does show the new PM has Zionist connexions of some sort, probably at a personal level.

The executor of Rudd's removal was an Arab Australian whose father was from Libya.

The "smoking gun" used to scare the party was a totally unrepresentational webbot-type word cloud.

Mark, please clarify your accusation I work for Megaphone. I find your style of discussion completely lacking in good faith, and driven by some sort of hatred of Jews, which I do not share.

[Magda Hassan]

Julia Gillard: Rudd, PM to face off
The Mail (local newspaper in Werribee)
BY CAMERON TAIT
30 Jun, 2010 12:00 AM
WHILE his uncle was sensationally dumped by the ALP as prime minister last week,
Van Thanh Rudd plans to challenge his replacement, Julia Gillard, as she stands
for a fifth term as the member for Lalor at this year's federal election.
The twist has added extra spice to a campaign bound to attract national
attention, given Ms Gillard's sudden elevation to the nation's highest office.
A 37-year-old artist and activist originally from Queensland, Mr Van announced
his intention outside Ms Gillard's Werribee office on Friday. He will contest
the seat for the Revolutionary Socialist Party.
The party's website states: "We stand for the transformation of human society,
from its current basis of greed, exploitation, war, oppression and environmental
destruction, to a commonwealth of social ownership, solidarity and human
freedom, living in harmony with our planet's ecosystems."
It advocates the "overthrow of capitalism and its replacement by socialism" and
bases itself on the theories of Karl Marx and the socialist revolutions in
Russia, Vietnam and Cuba.
A Braybrook resident, Mr Van has been embroiled in a number of controversies
over the years, mostly related to his left-wing artworks and an anti-racism
protest on Australia Day this year in which he dressed up in a Ku Klux Klan
outfit, angry at the government's policies towards asylum seekers.
Mr Van said he believed the time was right to make a stand against the
government and its policies.
"We oppose their stance on asylum seekers and we believe they've propagated a
fear campaign, particularly in light of the current economic situation, he said.
"We're against the Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts and Australia's support of the
Sri Lankan regime, which, in part, is responsible for the influx of asylum
seekers.
"We don't have a lot of money and we know we'll struggle to get a large number
of votes."
Mr Van said his party believed the Prime Minister had been influenced by the
unions and the mining lobby.
He conceded he was in a unique position given his uncle's relationship with Ms
Gillard.
"It's unique, but I've been working politics into my art for years and with
Kevin as prime minister, our paths were bound to collide," he said.
"We're not close, but we've never had a bad relationship - we're opposites.
However, he did buy my first set of oil paints."
http://www.themail.com.au/news/local/new...72828.aspx

[Mark Stapleton]

[quote=Mark Stapleton]

You just claimed not to know anything about Nicaragua.

No, I said I don't know anything about Nicaraguan politics.

The reaction by various world Governments to Israel's behaviour is not internal Nicaraguan politics, but global politics.

I don't appreciate your subtle misrepresentation here.

No, you refused to answer the question of whether we should expect a Zionist coup d'etat in Nicaragua by claiming not to know anything about Nicaragua. The misrepresentation is on your part.

Calling me naive for not subscribing to your theory that "Jews control the world" based on less argument than Mein Kampf provides, plus your insinuation that I work for Megaphone (you never clarified that accusation, I invite you to do so now) plus your various other comments lead me to believe that you believe in a global Jewish conspiracy, and that you think anyopne who doesn't agree with you is misinformed and/or working for the Jewish conspiracy.

Again, you are the one who should provide substance to your theory. I havent' seen substance or argument, just reliance on an assumption Jews control the world, which I don't find very compelling.

In fact, as a thought experiment, we could consider how Mark Stapleton might be serving his alleged Zionist masters, because

1) if his assertion is true, that Jews control the world, Mark Stapleton is presenting this fact in such a way as to make it appear false;

2) if it's false, he's exaggerating Zionist power, creating the public perception that Israel is much more powerful than it is.

That said, I am not a priori against the idea Rudd was deposed by some Israeli interests. The new "first boyfriend" is an Israeli lobbyist, which doesn't do anything to explain Rudd's removal, but does show the new PM has Zionist connexions of some sort, probably at a personal level.

The executor of Rudd's removal was an Arab Australian whose father was from Libya.

The "smoking gun" used to scare the party was a totally unrepresentational webbot-type word cloud.

Mark, please clarify your accusation I work for Megaphone. I find your style of discussion completely lacking in good faith, and driven by some sort of hatred of Jews, which I do not share.

It took you six days to come up with this? That's bad.

I know Mark Arbib has Libyan and Italian antecedents. Nice deep cover, imo.

[Mark Stapleton]

In fact, as a thought experiment, we could consider how Mark Stapleton might be serving his alleged Zionist masters

:rofl:

[Helen Reyes]

It took you six days to come up with this? That's bad.

I know Mark Arbib has Libyan and Italian antecedents. Nice deep cover, imo.

No, Mark, it didn't take me 6 days. I wasn't paying attention. This is not some chat battle. It's called Deep Politics Forum, not Superificial Political Chat Room.

I understand that there are younger and older members and people with all sorts of perspectives here, and that's good. The topic is also appropriate to a Deep Politics treatment. Unfortunately, I am missing the profundity so far. That's OK, I was once young and capable of making many mistakes in public. I invite you to look deeper. Explore the mechanism of Rudd's removal. Explore other possibilities. Real politics is more complex than "Zionists control the world." Even if it were so, there must needs be collaborators operating out of perceived self interest.

Now, if you feel like answering any of my earlier points, we can continue on a basis of mutual respect. If not, I will not respond to this anymore because it would clearly be a monumental waste of time.

Don't worry, there's no deadline to respond, this is not a chat battle.

You do need to clarify your accusing me of being a zionist Megaphone activist though. That's technically against the rules for you to do, from what I understand.

Good luck on your quest for truth, Mark.

[Mark Stapleton]

Now, if you feel like answering any of my earlier points, we can continue on a basis of mutual respect. If not, I will not respond to this anymore because it would clearly be a monumental waste of time.

Finally the penny drops!

No, I don't want to continue answering your 'points' or go on discussing anything with you, including your demands for 'proof' (as if everything posted on this forum must be proven beyond doubt), your thought experiments or your disingenuous conflation of Zionism and Judaism.

I don't like apologists for Zionist Israel and I don't respect them, regardless of how fair minded they pretend to be. Moreover, I find your patronising tone to be a total pain in the ass.

Go bother someone else. This thread's about Aussie politics, of which you know very little.