The Lyndon Johnson-Nelson Rockefeller Connection to the JFK Assassination

[Dawn Meredith]

CD: Whoa. Just because Robert sincerely believes LBJ was high up on the list of sponsers does not make him a disinformation agent. He is here to learn, he is fairly new to the study of JFK and has been diligently reading books for a few years now. Not everyone is a disinformation agent because they differ with some of the views here. To refer to "the sophistication of (your) game" is quite out of line. Robert's only "game" is the truth. He is eager to learn and if he makes errors, they are sincere, I can assure you it is not a game.
Dawn

Dawn,

I know you defend Robert because you are a nice person.

However, LBJ was incapable of sponsoring Dealey Plaza. His murders of Kinser and Marshall were so crude they almost got him in serious trouble. Dealey Plaza was a military intelligence operation, well beyond LBJ's scope of expertise.

LBJ was a facilitator for certain, and probably a passionate supporter of the conspiracy, but not a sponsor. He didn't have the balls.

LBJ was undoubtedly a psychopath, but he recognised and respected those who really held the power. That's what made him a standout candidate for promotion.

The operative word here is "almost". Marshall's death was ruled a damn suicide and only when Tx Ranger Clint Peoples pushed for a grand jury was the case re-opened. But the only thing that occurred is that the casue of death changed. Mac Wallace never did a day. Then Peoples died. Many researchers in TX investigating the Mac Wallace angle have met with mysterious demises.

I agree with both your opinions on the matter of the sponsership of the murder of JFK and I have told Robert this many times. He is now reading Jim Douglas so he will have a far better understanding of this case.

Dawn

[Phil Dragoo]

The extant Robert Morrow is not the late author of the same name but a researcher in the Austin area.


I requested, received, and read his 63-page PDF file of links and commentary.


I called and discussed assassination issues for a considerable length of time.


His views are not mine, nor mine, his. But I think his motives and enthusiasm are honestly based.


In my view, thanks to the continuing and deeper cultivation of the archaeological site, the seasoned wisdom of this site, as well as the current input of James Douglass, I would place Johnson as useful but not the prime mover.


He didn't build my truck; that was done by a plant in the rust belt.


But Johnson has been a very useful ring gear in the rear differential; without which the manufacturer would have to get another—because it is an essential part—just not the manufacturing plant.


I apply this metaphor to some who insist on giving organized crime super powers out of Marvel Comics.

A model of the crime of the last century cannot be described in a chopsticks rendition on a Playskool piano.

The nuances suggest When Wagner Met Mozart.

[Charles Drago]

Robert is only beginning to probe the very very deep waters of the invisible government.

Dawn

More power to him.

And a bit more humility would serve him and the cause quite nicely.

[Mark Stapleton]

But Johnson has been a very useful ring gear in the rear differential; without which the manufacturer would have to get another—because it is an essential part—just not the manufacturing plant.

Agreed. Without a willing accomplice who would be in a position to aid the coverup, there would have been no Dealey Plaza.

But the narcissist psychopath didn't have the power nor the balls to sponsor the assassination of his hated rival.

[Jack White]

Johnson was the MOST NECESSARY member of the assassination cabal,
along with Hoover. The new president and his chief investigator HAD to
be included. To deny this is to deny the obvious.

Jack

[Charles Drago]

Jack,

You could not be more on-target.

Although I would choose a slightly different word:

Johnson was the most necessary TOOL utilized by the planners of the assassination.

He was as removed from the Sponsorship level of the conspiracy as the hammer is removed from the architect's synapses.

Charles

[Robert Morrow]

There is a fabulous new book that just came out that assets that, too: http://www.lbj-themastermind.com/ Lyndon Johnson had a lot of crude killings with Cliff Carter and Mac Wallace down in Texas. But the evidence today is pointing towards that for the Big Hit, the JFK assassination, Lyndon Johnson made a dirty deal with the CIA, the Harlem Globetrotters of coups, assassinations and propaganda. Lyndon Johnson told his beloved mistress Madeleine Duncan Brown that it was Texas Oil and the CIA who murdered John Kennedy. That is a fact coming out of the mouth of PRESIDENT Lyndon Johnson on 12/31/63. That famous Kennedy hater, long time high ranking CIA agent E. Howard Hunt also posits there was a dirty LBJ/CIA deal for the Big Hit. The deal being we (CIA) will kill Kennedy, you (LBJ and Hoover, FBI) will cover it up. Pretty simple.

Why do you think Mr. CIA himself Edward Lansdale was on site to supervise the murder? I can think of no other reason for Gen. Lansdale (more CIA than military), head of Operation Mongoose, a snake pit of CIA haters of JFK and anti-Castro Cubans also furious with JFK.

[Here is a photo of Lansdale taken on the sidewalk in front of and just a few feet west of the Texas School Book Depository: ! http://www.apfn.net/dcia/tramps1.jpg Fletcher Prouty gives his insights: http://www.prouty.org/letter.html Here is a 3/14/85 letter by Gen. Victor H. Krulak also identifying Edward Lansdale at the TSBD on 11/22/63: http://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/USO/appD.html Edward Lansdale, the CIA’s assassinations expert, - his presence in Dallas indicts the CIA.]

To me, it looks like Dallas was where Operation 40 and Operation Mongoose intersected with Operation Northwoods, which SURELY you are familiar with, Mr. Drago. The Kennedy Assassination was the ultimate Operation Northwoods false flag attack - sheepdipped intelligence agent Oswald, fake pro-Castro Marxist.

I'm glad you are reading my posts, Mr. Drago, you might learn something. It is not just rightwingers who are blinded in their ideology.

[Robert Morrow]

And furthermore, Mr. Drago, the United States has about 300,000,000 people in it. Some of them even have the same first and last name. There are about 5-6 Robert Morrow's in the Austin, TX phone book alone. Robert D. Morrow is the CIA agent who wrote Betrayal, later known as First Hand Knowledge. He died in about 1997-98.

I have never represented myself as a dead CIA agent/author. I was in my mother's womb at the time of the JFK assassination in November, 1963. And no one else on this board has claimed I am Robert D. Morrow, author of First Hand Knowledge - except you. Must be your fertile imagination at work.

Careful with those fantasies or you might be imagining a phantom Lee Harvey Oswald in the southwest corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD magically pumping in bullets in JFK or you might be imaging JFK's head snapping violently FORWARD as Dan Rather did.

However, your stated belief that the US power elite, national security state, had as its GOAL as to leave Fidel Casto on power so that we would have an excuse to spend billions in the defense industry in order to counter that threat ... that is a delusional crack-smoking fantasy that I have only seen YOU make on any JFK assassination related discussion board.

The obvious truth - to many but not you - is that the US power elite, national security state was doing EVERYTHING in their power to get RID of Castro and a communist Cuba ... and in the end because of JFK's beginning attempts at normalization with Cuba, they assassinated him. I have a good book for you to read; it is called JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters by James Douglass (2008). It talks all about how and why the CIA decided to murder John Kennedy. Douglass leaves out the critical Lyndon Johnson angle, but despite that, it is a great book!

[Phil Dragoo]

I am learning an enormous amount about pulling back from the guns to the men of power far removed.


Charles' recurrent allusions to levels or tiers of sponsorship and facilitator provides the perspective.


Zirbel, McClellan, Caro and others have addressed the agency of Johnson. Mark North and Tony Summers have looked at Hoover. Dulles and Angleton have been delved somewhat.


I had been getting the feeling so many had been playing the Blind Men and the Elephant game, wherein each appendage was described—perhaps each was held to be the cerebral cortex.


Even the elephant droppings, the report of the Warren Commission, the Clarke Panel, the HSCA, the so-wonderful fairy tales of Posner, Bugliosi et al have been treated as holy relics.


James Douglass cited Kennedy, having just read Seven Days in May, responding to a question, could it happen in America.


He replied in the affirmative, if a president had a Bay of Pigs, then compounded that error with another and another.


Douglass posits no fewer than five by my count: Bay of Pigs, missile crisis, atomic test ban, American University speech, NSAM 263 withdrawing from Vietnam, detente with Khruschev, demarche with Castro. More than three? Than five?


And though Zirbel asks, cui bono, for whose benefit, let us address who resented, who was threatened.


In my view, many name the Pentagon generals, LeMay, Lansdale and others; they wanted a nuclear preemption, a strongly forward prosecution of the Cold War.


CIA. Kennedy fired Dulles, Cabell, vowed to shatter it into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds. NSAM 55 sought to put it back within statutory parameters.


Was it not closest to these that the prime motivation arose? Are they not central to those who make it their destiny to decide who governs and who profits.


Johnson was the quintessential ambitious and unscrupulous politician and the heir apparent to the coup. He stood to be removed from the ticket and face jail over the Bobby Baker and Billy Sol Estes scandals. He would be a willing handmaiden.


Hoover was Johnson's neighbor and friend, loathed the Kennedys, was friendly with organized crime, vehemently anticommunist, stood to be retired January 1, 1965. He, too, would be a willing accessory.


Would Dulles be high in the ranks of those carrying out the coup. And Angleton had had Oswald tracked for years per John Newman.


Oswald was a doubled agent since age twelve per John Armstrong. Oswald was the designated patsy.


Ruby had to silence Oswald. Ruby was in business with and under orders from organized crime.


Marcello had been deported by Robert. He would be a willing accessory. Giancana and Nicolletti and Roselli—all of these were involved in the Cuban Castro attempts, and bore a grudge against the dangerous younger Kennedy. They would be willing accessories.


But who would order the body hijacked and returned to Washington, manipulate the autopsy and its photographic and x-ray record, who would manipulate the official investigations, who would sabotage the Garrison trial, and purge the Archives to this day.


Only the greatest possible confluence of official power could accomplish all of this.


I often return to the pathetic end of the so-powerful noble Senators and the People of Dallas, SPQR.


Johnson March 1968 “I will not seek” downed by Cronkite the intelligence busboy; King April 1968 down with a CIA operative at his elbow; June 1968, RFK (who Waldron-Hartmann make omnipotent) down by an MK-ULTRA second gun; then the triumph of the bottlers convention and all of that “Bay of Pigs” stuff—downed by a CIA sabotage of the Watergate fiasco.


Hoover heart attack 1972; Johnson Heart attack 1973; Nixon “effective noon tomorrow” 1974; Ford “base of the back of the bottom of the foot of the nape of the edge of the neck” gone in the 1976 electoral victory of Mr. Clean Peanut whose Turner trick or treated the Agency Halloween 1977 by 820 case officers.


Somebody had been replacing governments globally before Johnson was stuffing box 13.


Now it was written by the playwrights on the nicely available score of Johnson's vice presidency, Connally's Texas, Cabell's Dallas, Ruby in Dallas, Byrd's Depository and Zapruder's film, and Dealey's Plaza, and Welcome to Dallas.


And someone worked real hard to provide the botched Mexico City veil (of the Seven Veils) to go with the Castro veil and the Soviet veil, and the Mob veil, and the Johnson veil, and the Secret Service veil, and the Hoover-FBI veil, and the oil men veil.


But the tail didn't wag the elephant.


In Utah a gigantic NSA to balance Ft. Meade's behemoth. It dispatched the 35th president and its prime directive is what. What is served by unlimited power.


Or whom. The whom did it.

[Mark Stapleton]

And though Zirbel asks, cui bono, for whose benefit, let us address who resented, who was threatened.

The one particular 'whom' left out of your post is of course, Israel.

So many researchers omit Israel from their lists of possible sponsors. It's depressing.

JFK's stubborn refusal to allow Israel to acquire a nuclear deterrent caused JFK to be deemed an existential threat to Israel, imo.

Lyndon Johnson was a rusted on supporter of that nasty, racist state and LBJ and Israel were the major beneficiaries of JFK's removal.

Israel still controls US foreign policy to this day. They'll drag America yet another war, this time with Iran, if they get their way.