Jesse Ventura: Fusion Centers, FEMA Camps and the Police State
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Jesse Ventura: Fusion Centers, FEMA Camps and the Police State
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17-11-2010, 10:33 AM
Charles Drago Wrote:Those Nazis ... they always went for the juggler. :hahaha::hahaha::hahaha: The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge. Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
17-11-2010, 01:44 PM
Jack White Wrote:Dawn Meredith Wrote:Ed Encho Wrote:Here is a link where it appears all three episodes are together, Jack, I agree that there is a problem. But what about the birth announcement in the local paper? I admittedly know nothing about photography but it looked damn authenic to me. I do not like Obama at all and see that he is one more corporate whore who is merely more intelligent than W and sligtly more charming. The only promise he has kept is more war. But why would the PTB put a non citizen in office? Hawaii says that the birth certificate is real, that there "is no long form". Why are you so sure? Thanks, Dawn 
17-11-2010, 04:09 PM
Dawn Meredith Wrote:Jack White Wrote:Dawn Meredith Wrote:Ed Encho Wrote:Here is a link where it appears all three episodes are together, Even IF true, which I personally do NOT believe, it is minor compared to the fact that there was a coup d'etat on 11/22/63 and COG erased the Constitution on 9-11-01. Obama probably is a nice guy to have dinner with and may even in his heart of hearts want to do well...but he is controlled by the DP Forces one way or another....so again..this issue, which I think is a non-starter would be trivial, even if it were real......
"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws. - Mayer Rothschild
"Civil disobedience is not our problem. Our problem is civil obedience! People are obedient in the face of poverty, starvation, stupidity, war, and cruelty. Our problem is that grand thieves are running the country. That's our problem!" - Howard Zinn "If there is no struggle there is no progress. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and never will" - Frederick Douglass 
17-11-2010, 06:03 PM
I do not have ready documentation, but have followed
the birth issue very closely. The fact that democrats have spent more than $1 million on legal fees in resistance says a lot, when all they have to do is produce a piece of paper. More later. Have to leave now. Jack 
17-11-2010, 07:37 PM
And, it is said, the woman involved in the defense of the Administration on the birth issue now holds court on the High Bench where she can watch further developments.
"Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"
18-11-2010, 05:15 PM
Jack White Wrote:I do not have ready documentation, but have followed Obama’s Hawaii Connection Posted on 17. Nov, 2010 by Raja Mujtaba in Hot Topics [Translate] SPECIAL REPORT. Stanley Dunham's CIA shell company in Hawaii: a furniture store By Wayne Madsen WMR has learned from a reliable source that Stanley Dunham, Barack Obama's grandfather, did not work as a manager at a furniture store in Honolulu after moving there from Seattle but had non-official CIA cover status with the "furniture store," which was actually a CIA shell company cover. Dunham officially worked as a manager for Pratt furniture store in Honolulu seeking a better furniture store opportunity after working at Doces Majestic Furniture Company and Standard-Grunbaum Furniture store in Seattle. Previously, Dunham had worked at J.G. Paris furniture store in Ponca City, Oklahoma. However, there are no records that Pratt Furniture was an actual legitimate retail outlet in Honolulu. Dunham's wife, Madelyn Dunham, who Barack Obama called "Toot," handled escrow accounts for CIA operations at the Bank of Hawaii in Honolulu while Stanley Dunham was involved in the CIA's Airlift Africa project that saw Barack Obama, Sr. brought to the University of Hawaii and the CIA-linked East-West Center to be "sheep dipped" by the CIA into future service. Mr. Dunham welcomed Barack Obama, Sr. on his arrival at Honolulu International Airport in 1960. On August 19, 2010, WMR reported: "What is officially known about Stanley Armour Dunham is that he served with the 9th Air Force in Britain and France prior to and after the D-Day invasion. After the war, Dunham and his wife, Madelyn and his daughter Stanley Ann — Obama's mother — moved to Berkeley, California; El Dorado, Kansas; Seattle; and Honolulu. Armour Dunham is said to have worked for a series of furniture stores." There is a "Pratt's" in Kailua Kona on the island of Hawaii that sells furniture and kitchenware but the store listed as Dunham's employer is "Pratt Furniture Company" in Honolulu. There is a Pratt Furniture store in Pratt, Kansas. Dunham lived in Wichita, Kansas before shipping out to Europe in World War II. Barack Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was born in Wichita in 1942. Madelyn Dunham worked at a Boeing B-29 plant in Wichita while her husband was in Europe. Pratt Furniture in Pratt, Kansas is not a chain and did not have a branch in Honolulu. However, Pratt lies about 75 miles due west of Wichita on U.S. Highway 54. The CIA has a history of using retail store front operations as cover. The CIA and National Security Agency once operated a super-secret Special Collection Service (SCS) facility out of a strip mall in College Park, Maryland. The two spy agencies operated in the back of a restaurant and dry-cleaning store. The stores operated as legitimate retail operations with the secret operations being carried out in the back rooms. For many years a furniture store in Arlington, Virginia has operated with the popular suspicion that it, too, is a front operation for the CIA. WMR also previously reported: "The photograph of Armour Dunham with Barack Obama, Sr., indicates that the 'furniture salesman' in Hawaii was, in fact, working with a CIA-funded project to rapidly educate aspiring politicians to serve in post-independence African governments to counter Soviet- and Chinese-backed political leaders in the region. There is a strong reason to believe that Armour Dunham worked in the 1950s for the CIA in the Middle East. An FBI file on Armour Dunham existed but the bureau claimed it destroyed the file on May 1, 1997. Considering the sour relations between the FBI and CIA during the Cold War, it is likely that Armour Dunham was being monitored by FBI director J. Edgar Hoover in the same manner as a number of other CIA officials and agents were being surveilled. Similarly, the pre-1968 passport records of Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, were destroyed by the State Department." There is another possible reason for the FBI to have maintained a file on Dunham. In the years in which "Ozzie and Harriett" and the "Cleavers" represented the typical American family on television, Ann Dunham's marriage to a black African when she was 17 may have resulted in a report being filed by the FBI from Honolulu. Although Hawaii was much more tolerant of mixed race marriages in the early 1960s then the mainland, Hoover frowned on such marriages, especially involving the daughter of a CIA operative who was attending Russian-language class at the University of Hawaii and where she allegedly first met her first husband, Barack Obama, Sr. Mr. Dunham's FBI file may have grown a bit larger after his daughter moved with Barack Obama. Jr. to Jakarta and where young Barry Soetoro was raised by a transsexual nanny named "Turdi." Hoover, himself a homosexual, was keen on identifying and keeping files on any other homosexuals connected in any way to the government, especially the CIA, with which he had a fractured and testy relationship. Turdi tended to Barry by day and frolicked at night with a dance group called the "Fantastic Dolls." Obama lived with his step-father, Lolo Soetoro, and mother in the Menteng-Dalam district of Jakarta from 1967 to 1971. There is a strong reason to believe that Obama's mother sent her son back to live with her parents in Honolulu because of a physically-abusive behavior by Obama's step-father. From WMR's August 19 report: "Obama maintains that his mother and father first met in a Russian-language class at the University of Hawaii in 1960. However, a photograph has emerged of Stanley Armour welcoming Barack Obama, Sr., complete with traditional Hawaiian welcoming leis, from Kenya. Obama, Sr. was the only Kenyan student airlifted to Hawaii as part of the CIA-inspired Airlift Africa project that saw Obama and 279 other students from British eastern and southern African colonies brought to the United States for college degrees prior to their homelands gaining independence from Britain. The students were selected by Kenyan nationalist leader Tom Mboya who would later conduct surveillance for the CIA at pan-African nationalist meetings." Stanley Dunham (third from right) welcomes Barack Obama, Sr. (fourth from right) to Honolulu. WMR has learned that unlike the 2008 campaign, a wealth of negative information on Obama's past will soon surface that will dissuade him from seeking another term. In the re-trial of former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich, scheduled to begin on April 20, 2011, new information on Obama's relationship with jailed political campaign funder and businessman Tony Rezko will reportedly be made available. Meanwhile, a team of ex-CIA agents continues to scour through files around the world in search of documents on Obama and his family. Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative journalist, author and syndicated columnist. He has written for several renowned papers and blogs. Madsen is a regular contributor on Russia Today. He has been a frequent political and national security commentator on Fox News and has also appeared on ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS, CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, and MS-NBC. Madsen has taken on Bill O’Reilly and Sean Hannity on their television shows. He has been invited to testifty as a witness before the US House of Representatives, the UN Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, and an terrorism investigation panel of the French government. As a U.S. Naval Officer, he managed one of the first computer security pro
18-11-2010, 10:06 PM
Well, this certainly is interesting. It sheds light on the business of doing business, the nation's businsess, nobody's business, and re-arranging the furniture upstairs. It goes toward a long-standing theory of mine, gets added to a budding bibliography, and no doubt will bring defensive and offensive shots from other points on the compass. It certainly deserves watching, further research, etc., and not derisive dismissal. It's just information, and a working thesis. The issue is whether it will, over time, hold up under scrutiny. The biz about the nanny and the abuse is especially, ah, curious,
"Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"
18-11-2010, 10:51 PM
The Obama not having a birth certificate is a bogus conspiracy theory!
I tried very hard to find evidence and there is not only little, but there is NONE. I am moderate... and could care less about left right hate BS, but I tried really hard to run this down. Hawaii does not realease ANY birth certificates. That is State law, so no one can get one on anyone (possibly unless the person he or herself requests it)? This theory is not just weak, but abysmally weak. I spent *hours* wasting my time. Even Ann Coulter proclaimed it bogus because all of the right wing types were trying so hard to verify it because they hate Obama so much. Get real! Jack White Wrote:Dawn Meredith Wrote:Ed Encho Wrote:Here is a link where it appears all three episodes are together,
18-11-2010, 11:50 PM
From Defend Our Freedoms.org; Dr. Orly Taitz, of California, has published an open letter to Congress. The first two paragraphs are as follows:
Dear Senators and Congressmen: Thank you for taking the time to review the documentation relevant to the Constitutional legitimacy of the presidency Barack Obama. There have been various problems with the vetting of Mr. Obama throughout the campaign and the present. I’d like to take the opportunity to highlight the most pertinent and alarming issues that have been clearly revealed. I’m sure you will agree that this information must be further investigated promptly before any damage is done to the United States and its citizens—beyond the Constitutional compromises that currently exist. Most interesting, though, is the fact that Mr. Obama has not simply ordered the original vault copy of his birth certificate to be sealed and chosen to retain three (3) law firms to defend the various cases—spending a reported $800,000 (of whose money?). If Mr. Obama has nothing to hide, then why fight the more than 42 cases in federal courts alone (According to Justia) and similar number in state courts of which the merits are well-founded and substantiated through factual evidence, state and federal statutes, and international laws. Main issue is that the state of HI, according to statue 338 allows Foreign born children of Hawaiian residents to obtain Hawaiian birth certificates and obtain them based on a statement of one relative only. There is plenty of evidence of Mr. Obama being born in Kenya and obtaining his Hawaiian birth certificate based on a statement of his grandparent only, who simply didn’t want to deal with immigration and not based on any records from any hospitals. Extensive searches in the State of Hawaii showed no birthing records for his mother Ann Dunham in any hospital in Hawaii. I would also like to schedule a meeting with you, for which I will fly to Washington, D.C. to personally meet with you in the short term. Having been raised in the former Soviet Union, I am no stranger to horrors of communism, totalitarianism, civilian labor camp rule and I see clearly the path Mr. Obama is taking the United States. It is a downward spiral of total destruction of the constitution and economic infrastructure of this country. I urge you to look at the information thoroughly. Americans need to know that their president is a legitimate president and that their senators and representatives are upholding their oaths: I hope that you take the time to read the full letter: http://defendourfreedoms.org/SenatorThuneEtAl1.htm. Dr. Taitz raises an important question here; Whose money is being spent on this, unnecessary, court fight? I most sincerely hope that it isn’t tax payer money. The income of the Obama household isn’t enough to cover the cost of the legal fight. All that the, newly elected, President has to do is send one lawyer to court, with the birth certificate, and settle the matter. What he has done, however, is hire a team of lawyers to cover up his past, which raises even more suspicions. It was leaked, from Occidental College, that the nationality, on his admission records, was listed as Indonesian. You can read the law suit, in PDF, of the Occidental case; Download PDF, and read the other cases at United States Justice Foundation. One problem, that many have overlooked, is that any legislation, signed by an illegitimate President, can be challenged in court. Any legislation, passed by Congress, must be signed into law by the President. If the President is not qualified, the legislation is void. No one is above the law and the President is not the king. Mr. Obama has a duty, and responsibility to prove his natural born status. I have to carry a copy of my birth certificate, and DD 214, to gain entry to ports, and prove my citizenship, under the new system of Fascism. I am not a servant of government, it is to serve me. Mr. Obama should live under the same rules. Requiring individuals to show proof of citizenship, in the normal conduct of business, is un-constitutional. The President meeting the requirements of his office is the law. The Obama Administration requires applicants to produce much invasive information to qualify for employment. The questionnaire asks about the personal matters of family members, and even, gun ownership. You can view the questionnaire in PDF, from the government web site. If the Obama Administration can require so much information, of employees, he should be able to produce one, common, document. Article 2, Section 1, Paragraph 4, of the united States Constitution states; No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States. Let’s take a stand for the Constitution, without it, we live under authoritarianism. We have been, for many years, living under common law, and authoritarianism, and it is time to return to the rule of law; The United States Constitution. Please take time to sign the petition, requiring Mr. Obama, to produce his birth certificate: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
19-11-2010, 12:17 AM
Maybe the problem is in the framing of the issue.
Rather than see this as a conspiracy about a birth certificate and whether or not the POTUS was actually born inside the United States, perhaps it needs to be investigated and researched on the basis of what is being hidden and why, whether the human being who sits in the Oval Office is who he says he is, or about the processes, both on the surface and in hiding, involved in the selection of candidates for office and their election. If, in fact, there is any CIA involvement or MK-Ultra-type techniques lurking in the childhood and upbringing of the POTUS (whatever party, skin-color, religion, etc.), then there is a serious political issue in front of the US voters and the world.
"Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"
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