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Seymour Hersh: Many in Joint Spec'l Ops Command ... Kinghts of Malta
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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:
David Guyatt Wrote:It seems to me though, that tis time we are dealing with something potentially far more dangerous.

Did you ever read the last few pages of Al Martin's book "The Conspirators" written by Uri Dowbenko? I wasn't a big fan, nor of Martin himself when I spoke to him, but in the end piece he spoke about an endgame that is not at all un-similar to the foregoing armageddon strategy.

Then, of course, we can mix in the Chialism of fundamental far-right Christians...

David - I can't recall it in detail, and my copy of "The Conspirators" is not easily accessible.

My problem also, or I would've got off my lazy backside and found the quote.

However, is it similar to Al Martin's insider "Protocols for Economic Collapse in America"? Pentagon plans based on the US declaring force majeure on debt service and thus precipitating a global financial collapse?

See those protocols in full at scribd link below:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6365690/Protoc...-Al-Martin

Yes, but not so detailed. But the mushroom cloud bit stood out rather alarmingly at the time.

I have just posted a sort of "bump" in the Alchemy folder that underscores parts of the Chialism angle, as revealed by Fulcanelli in his second edition of Le Mystère des Cathédrales. The second edition was identical to the first except for the inclusion of one chapter on the mysterious Cross of Hendaye.
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Btw, the following looks to me to be an excellent source on Catholic chivalric Orders -- and some not quite so chivalrous.

http://wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Knights_of_Malta
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
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David Guyatt Wrote:
Jan Klimkowski Wrote:However, is it similar to Al Martin's insider "Protocols for Economic Collapse in America"? Pentagon plans based on the US declaring force majeure on debt service and thus precipitating a global financial collapse?

See those protocols in full at scribd link below:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6365690/Protoc...-Al-Martin

Yes, but not so detailed. But the mushroom cloud bit stood out rather alarmingly at the time.

Geithner's letter effectively seems to be threatening Al Martin's "protocols for economic collapse" if the politicians don't agree to ever more trillions of dollars of debt.

Quote:FROM GEITHNER'S LETTER OF JANUARY 6, 2011, TO US SENATE MAJORITY LEADER:

I am certain you will agree that it is strongly in our national interest for Congress to act well before the debt limit is reached. However, if Congress were to fail to act, the specific consequences would be as follows:

The Treasury would be forced to default on legal obligations of the United States, causing catastrophic damage to the economy, potentially much more harmful than the effects of the financial crisis of 2008 and 2009.

A default would impose a substantial tax on all Americans. Because Treasuries represent the benchmark borrowing rate for all other sectors, default would raise all borrowing costs. Interest rates for state and local government, corporate and consumer borrowing, including home mortgage interest, would all rise sharply. Equity prices and home values would decline, reducing retirement savings and hurting the economic security of all Americans, leading to reductions in spending and investment, which would cause job losses and business failures on a significant scale.

Default would have prolonged and far-reaching negative consequences on the safe-haven status of Treasuries and the dollar's dominant role in the international financial system, causing further increases in interest rates and reducing the willingness of investors here and around the world to invest in the United States.

Payments on a broad range of benefits and other U.S. obligations would be discontinued, limited, or adversely affected, including:

U.S. military salaries and retirement benefits;
Social Security and Medicare benefits; veterans' benefits;
federal civil service salaries and retirement benefits;
individual and corporate tax refunds;
unemployment benefits to states;
defense vendor payments;
interest and principal payments on Treasury bonds and other securities;
student loan payments;
Medicaid payments to states; and
payments necessary to keep government facilities open.

For these reasons, any default on the legal debt obligations of the United States is unthinkable and must be avoided. It is critically important that Congress act before the debt limit is reached so that the full faith and credit of the United States is not called into question. The confidence of citizens and investors here and around the world that the United States stands fully behind its legal obligations is a unique national asset.

http://www.treasury.gov/connect/blog/Pages/letter.aspx


David Guyatt Wrote:I have just posted a sort of "bump" in the Alchemy folder that underscores parts of the Chialism angle, as revealed by Fulcanelli in his second edition of Le Mystère des Cathédrales. The second edition was identical to the first except for the inclusion of one chapter on the mysterious Cross of Hendaye.

I'm still catching up on the metaphysics of all this. Thank you for posting that material. Pullhair
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
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"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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Jan Klimkowski Wrote:I'm still catching up on the metaphysics of all this. Thank you for posting that material. Pullhair

This is probably the wrong thread for it, but. My thinking here is twofold. On the one hand there are old prophecies, for want of a better word. But subject to the interest in subjects metaphysical by numerous members of these knightly Orders, there may possibly be a desire to fulfill prophecies for reasons too obscure and crazed to even contemplate. Thus timing is important.

Or simply manufacture amazing events for more mundane reasons. And, I can see how the same timing wold be important in that department too.

But who knows.
The shadow is a moral problem that challenges the whole ego-personality, for no one can become conscious of the shadow without considerable moral effort. To become conscious of it involves recognizing the dark aspects of the personality as present and real. This act is the essential condition for any kind of self-knowledge.
Carl Jung - Aion (1951). CW 9, Part II: P.14
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Paging through Albarelli's "A Terrible Mistake", a deep history of the CIA and its sophomoric, sometimes puerile adventures in mind control, covert assassination and bio-warfare, while looking for something else, I stumbled across one of the many passages highlighted and earmarked. The author was describing the new HQ (completed in November 1963) and the visit, along with their attorneys, of three members of the Olson family in July 1974, to meet with William Colby. Albarelli noted that Colby joined the staff of the Office of Policy Coordination, then the covert action arm of the CIA headed up by Frank Wisner (the father of the man recently dispatched by Obama to Egypt). "Wisner, according to Colby, ran the group 'in the atmosphere of an order of Knights Templar.'" (page 508)
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Pulitzer Prize Winner Seymour Hersh And The Men Who Are Trying to Paint Him as Crazy


Hersh cited ties between U.S. Military's Joint Special Operations Command and a secretive Catholic order called the Knights of Malta, and now he's under attack.
March 4, 2011 |


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It seems unusual for a staid, respected publication (one that has received three National Magazine Awards in just this past decade) to start treating a celebrated journalist (who himself has won two National Magazine Awards in just this past decade) as if he were nothing more than a paranoid crank.
It seems unusual, but it's exactly what the staff of Foreign Policy has done to Seymour Hersh, following a lecture the venerated reporter gave at Georgetown University's campus in Doha, Qatar. You may know Hersh as the dogged investigator who exposed the My Lai Massacre during Vietnam. You may know him as the staff writer for The New Yorker who published some of the earliest pieces on Abu Ghraib in May 2004. You might even know him as the man derided and then vindicated for claiming that Dick Cheney was running a secret assassination squad right out of the Vice President's office. (In truth, the squad was and is a bipartisan affair, initiated under Clinton and still operative under Obama.)
Yet, given the Foreign Policy staff's derisive commentary on Seymour's January 17th talk, you would think he was some credulous rube midway through his first Dan Brown novel.
Hersh "delivered a rambling, conspiracy-laden diatribe here Monday," Blake Hounshell reported on the magazine's Passport blog. His delusional fantasia: The existence of ties between the U.S. Military's Joint Special Operations Command and a secretive Catholic order called the Knights of Malta. As Hounshell elaborates:
[Hersh] charged that U.S. foreign policy had been hijacked by a cabal of neoconservative "crusaders" in the former vice president's office and now in the special operations community:
That's the attitude," he continued. "We're gonna change mosques into cathedrals. That's an attitude that pervades, I'm here to say, a large percentage of the Joint Special Operations Command."
He then alleged that Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who headed JSOC before briefly becoming the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, and his successor, Vice Adm. William McRaven, as well as many within JSOC, "are all members of, or at least supporters of, Knights of Malta."
Hersh may have been referring to the Sovereign Order of Malta, a Roman Catholic organization commited [sic] to "defence [sic] of the Faith and assistance to the poor and the suffering," according to its website.
"They do see what they're doing  and this is not an atypical attitude among some military  it's a crusade, literally. They see themselves as the protectors of the Christians. They're protecting them from the Muslims [as in] the 13th century. And this is their function."
"They have little insignias, these coins they pass among each other, which are crusader coins," he continued. "They have insignia that reflect the whole notion that this is a culture war. … Right now, there's a tremendous, tremendous amount of anti-Muslim feeling in the military community."
Hounshell, Foreign Policy's web editor, has questioned Hersh's reporting before, first speculating on the identity of a Hersh source, then on that hypothetical source's credibility. However, this particular incident was unique in that it has yielded a small brushfire of attention, including three additional response pieces at foreignpolicy.com, reblogging by angered Catholic groups and a write-up in the Washington Post.
The next day, the post was followed by an elaborately sarcastic "hot tip," written to Hersh open-letter style by Foreign Policy contributing editor and Washington Post special military correspondent Tom Ricks:
Hey Sy, a friend with good military connections tells me that U.S. special operations forces were covertly involved in the Knights of Malta's stalwart defense of the island in 1565 against the Ottoman Turks. Lifting the siege was easy because the Turks turned tail when they saw those Ma Deuce .50 caliber machine guns.
This categorically high-handed snark came with the added force of Ricks' being a Pulitzer Prize winner himself and the author of two blistering accounts of the Iraq war: Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq and its General Petraeus-centered sequel, The Gamble. He has been covering the military beat for the Post since 2000, performing double duty there and at Foreign Policy after it was acquired by The Washington Post Company in 2008.
That same day, FP associate editor Joshua Keating provided an FP Explainer' piece entitled "Who Are the Knights of Malta  and What Do They Want?" dismissing Hersh's claims with the conclusion that:
There's not much evidence to suggest that the Knights of Malta are the secretive cabal of anti-Muslim fundamentalists that Hersh described. (For the record, when contacted by Foreign Policy, McChrystal said that he is not a member.) But they are certainly an anomalous presence in international politics and have provoked their share of conspiracy theories over the years.
Then, two days later, Hounshell produced a supplemental post defending himself from a chorus of disgruntled commenters and Salon.com's Glenn Greenwald. "I thought it was self-evident that several points Hersh made were off-base and conspiratorial," Hounshell began, "but perhaps it's worth spelling things out for everyone."
Let's do the same.
Just how "off-base and conspiratorial" are Hersh's claims? Who are the Knights of Malta, exactly, and what has been previously reported of their special operations' and government ties?
The Holy Ghosts
Known formally as the "Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta," the Knights of Malta is a Roman Catholic order founded in roughly 1048. Though the Knights operated as a military order during the First Crusade, today their approximately 12,500 members, 80,000 volunteers and 20,000 medical professionals work "in the field of medical and social care and humanitarian aid." According to their website:
The Order also runs hospitals, medical centres, day hospitals, nursing homes for the elderly and the disabled, and special centres for the terminally ill. In many countries the Order's volunteer corps provide first aid, social services, emergency and humanitarian interventions.
Malteser International, the Order's worldwide relief service, works in the front line in natural disasters and armed conflicts.
So far, so good. In fact, Foreign Policy's description of the Knights cribs heavily from the Order's own benevolent self-description. Josh Keating's explainer' piece accounts for the litany of paranoid theories surrounding them as merely a by-product of the Knights' "secretive proceedings, unique political status, and association with the Crusades." Former CIA Directors William Casey and John McCone, Chrysler Chairman Lee Iacocca, and GOP fixture Pat Buchanan have all been "alleged members," he claims, "though none have ever acknowledged membership."
Keating's use of alleged' here is curious, given that the membership of Reagan-era CIA Director Bill Casey in the Knights of Malta has been a fact widely reported in the press and never denied by Casey himself. Historian Joseph E. Persico, a former Republican speechwriter for Vice President Nelson Rockefeller and the co-author of Colin Powell's autobiography, includes Casey's membership in a routine list of charitable accomplishments, in his sympathetic biography Casey: from the OSS to the CIA (Penguin 1990). (Casey's membership is asserted on page 105 of the paperback.)
Years earlier, Casey was listed publicly as a member in both Mother Jones (07/1983) and The Washington Post (12/27/1984). The implications of Casey's membership are even alluded to in Bob Woodward's Veil: The Secret Wars of the CIA, 1981-1987, in which Casey's deep Catholicism and the Catholic Church's opposition to Nicaragua's left-leaning Sandinista government are both recurring topics. In short: Casey's membership has been undisputed for so long and across such a broad cross-section of the political spectrum that it raises serious questions about Foreign Policy's standards for facts' and allegations.'
(One might also reasonably ask Keating what difference it makes if an outed member of any secret society does not then publicly acknowledge membership. Isn't that one of the major duties of being in a secret society?)
In addition to Casey and McCone, the Knights of Malta also counted among their members former CIA counterintelligence chief James Jesus Angletona fortuitous alliance as Angleton led the postwar intelligence efforts to subvert Italy's 1948 elections. His success partnering with organized crime, right-leaning former fascists and the Vatican not only marginalized Italy's homegrown Communist Party, it also encouraged Congress in the creation of the Central Intelligence Agency.
Conservative luminary and National Review founder William F. Buckleywho spent two years after college as a CIA political action specialist' in Mexico Citywas also a Knight, as was none other than William "Wild Bill" Donovan, the head of the CIA's precursor organization, the Office of Strategic Services (OSS). From 1970 to 1981, France's intelligence agency was also headed by a member of the Order, Alexandre de Marenches. De Marenches would go on to be a co-founder of the Saudi-funded private intelligence group the Safari Clubone of George H. W. Bush's many end-runs around congressional oversight of the American intelligence establishment and the locus of many of the worst features of the mammoth BCCI scandal.
So, while crackpot speculations about this particular Catholic order are legion, its ties to intelligence organizations in the U.S. and Western Europe are well-documented. It's also perfectly understandable: with their unusual status as a recognized sovereign state without territory, the Knights of Malta enjoy full diplomatic rights in many countriesincluding the ability to bypass customs inspectors by secreting items across borders via "diplomatic pouch." Sharing far right sympathies, the Roman Catholic Church and Cold War-era Western intelligence officials became natural allies, and the Knights of Malta became a natural conduit for their collaboration. With a lengthy, strategic partnership already forged in the name of anti-communism, a strengthening of this network in the name of the "War on Terror" ought to sound more predictable than paranoid to a student of U.S. foreign policyparticularly given the current pope's record on Islam.
With "medical missions in more than 120 countries," as Keating points out, a teeming network of government spooks operating under the diplomatic protection afforded the Knights of Malta would certainly have plenty of breathing room to operate unnoticed. And yet, Keating instead positions the Order's charitable work as evidence that the Knights have left their old military function behindpointedly ignoring years of charitable work tied to U.S. strategic goals and covert activities during the heady days of the Reagan/Bush era.
AmeriCares In Its Own Way
Beginning in 1982, The Knights of Malta began an intensely collaborative partnership with the international aid organization AmeriCaresa charity group unique in its selective disaster relief to countries friendly to both U.S. business investment and foreign policy objectives. Literally billing itself as "The humanitarian arm of corporate America," AmeriCares was founded and headed until 2002 by Robert Macauley: a college roommate of George H. W. Bush, a paper mill millionaire and a self-described (then self-denied) agent in the CIA's WWII-era precursor, the OSS. Macauley was also the first non-Catholic to receive the coveted Cross of the Commander of the Order of Malta.
A look at AmeriCares activity during this period gives the unavoidable impression that Macauley was running the charity, first and foremost, as the velvet glove to Reagan and Bush's radical hardline approach to communism and indigenous left-wing political movements across the globe. In January 1990, AmeriCares and the German and Hungarian Knights of Malta supplied $1.4 million in supplies to pro-Western factions immediately following the collapse of Romania's communist regimeproclaiming it "the first privately organized, large-scale relief effort following the revolution." The partnership frequently worked with the infamous CIA front company Southern Air Transport. And during the Soviet-Afghanistan conflict in 1984, AmeriCares brazenly took sides, evacuating wounded members of the mujahideen to Walter Reed Army Hospital in Washington D.C. (One likely explanation: President Carter's national security advisor, Zbigniew Brzezinskithe man responsible for pairing the CIA with these future leaders of Al Qaedawas an honorary chairman at AmeriCares.)
Nowhere was the alliance between the Knights of Malta, AmeriCares and U.S. Intelligence more pervasive and troubling than in Central America.
AmeriCares and the Order held off on relief to an economically crippled Panama in 1989 for six whole months, shuttling $2.5 million worth of medical supplies only after the conclusion of Bush Sr.'s lightning war against (former ally) Manuel Noriega.
AmeriCares and the Knights declined to participate with the Red Cross in a 1988 hurricane relief effort in left-leaning Nicaragua, only to change on a dime two years later, once the Sandinista government fell. (The group sent 23 tons of medical supplies just three days after the election.) Prior to regime change, AmeriCares also provided one-sided medical aid to the Sandinistas' bête noire, the right-wing, CIA-backed contras, through a program controlled by the Iran-Contra scandal's walking nerve center, Oliver North. They even attempted to fly in a planeload of newsprint to the anti-Sandinista newspaper La Prensa.
In Guatemala, AmeriCares and Knights of Malta joint activities were handled by the wealthy, right-wing paramilitary figure, Roberto Alejos Arzu, whose plantation had served as a training ground for the CIA's bungled "Bay of Pigs" invasion of Cuba.
On occasion, AmeriCares and the Knights' humanitarian work served not just as an adjunct to U.S. covert action but also as a welcome excuse for pharmaceutical companies to dump surplus product as charity, netting a high tax write-off. One massive AmeriCares vaccine shipment to the Philippines, where the Knights were supposed to handle distribution, was rejected by local governments as useless. AmeriCares' sloppily labeled and overwhelming bulk medical shipments to Armenia were roundly criticized by a leading British medical journal, The Lancet.
Overall, the group spent the 1980s and 90s in uncomfortable collaboration with the rest of the humanitarian aid community. Many relief groups expressed frustration with AmeriCares' refusal to coordinate activities, so as to avoid squandered duplicated efforts. Many also expressed private fears of angering its powerful, Bush-connected founder. Doug Siglin, public policy director of the humanitarian community's umbrella group, InterAction, cautiously summed up their unusual behavior this way: "[AmeriCares'] approach is not the same as other groups."
Seymour Hersh and the Silent Crusade
Seymour Hersh is in the middle of researching and writing a lengthy book on America's wars and occupations in Iraq and Afghanistan. He has something of a history of playing looser with his facts in speeches than in printpartially to preserve his scoops pre-publicationand his speech in Doha hewed close to that tradition. In addition to the Knights, for example, he also made claims regarding Opus Dei, another secretive far right Catholic group steeped in just as much rumor and conspiracy theory. However, Hersh is a five-time Polk winner and recipient of the 2004 George Orwell Awarda reporter with a record that is well-burnished and nearly sterling.
Given the late 20th Century history of the "Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem of Rhodes and of Malta," how strange would it really be to find members of the Order, in and out of the military, collaborating on a new silent crusade with their old Cold War allies?
It would certainly complement the Christian fundamentalist version of the war, as prosecuted by Erik Prince, the former CEO of the military's most notorious civilian contractor Xe (formerly Blackwater). His viewsas depicted in one affidavit from the court case against himcertainly echo much of what Hersh ascribes to the JSOC and the Knights of Malta:
To that end, Mr. Prince intentionally deployed to Iraq certain men who shared his vision of Christian supremacy, knowing and wanting these men to take every available opportunity to murder Iraqis. Many of these men used call signs based on the Knights of the Templar, the warriors who fought the Crusades.
Mr. Prince operated his companies in a manner that encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life. For example, Mr. Prince's executives would openly speak about going over to Iraq to "lay Hajiis out on cardboard." Going to Iraq to shoot and kill Iraqis was viewed as a sport or game. Mr. Prince's employees openly and consistently used racist and derogatory terms for Iraqis and other Arabs, such as "ragheads" or "hajiis."
Hersh's assertions would also add context to the curious case of former U.S. deputy undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, Gen. William Boykin, who drew fire during his tenure for calling the war against Islamic extremism a struggle against "a spiritual enemy called Satan."
(In defending his original review of Hersh's speech, FP's Blake Hounshell demotes both of these cases from data' to mere anecdote.' The devaluation would appear to be premature in the case of Erik Prince, whose court case is still pendingwhile related Xe cases are being mysteriously ignored by the same Eastern District of Virginia task force convened to prosecute them. And, given that Boykin was operating near the heart of exactly the institution Hersh is accusing, trivializing his statements comes across as extremely optimistic, if not downright naive.)
Until Hersh's book-length treatment of the subject is published, at least we can all agree with Foreign Policy's Joshua Keating that the Knights of Malta have been "an anomalous presence in international politics and have provoked their share of conspiracy theories."
This time around, they've practically goaded us into it.
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Quote:Pulitzer Prize Winner Seymour Hersh And The Men Who Are Trying to Paint Him as Crazy

Hersh cited ties between U.S. Military's Joint Special Operations Command and a secretive Catholic order called the Knights of Malta, and now he's under attack.
March 4, 2011 |

Magda - important article. Thanks for posting.

Just as US AID frequently operates as a covert arm of American intelligence, so AmeriCares appears to be a faux aid agency version of a PMC like Xe/Blackwater.

Quote:It would certainly complement the Christian fundamentalist version of the war, as prosecuted by Erik Prince, the former CEO of the military's most notorious civilian contractor Xe (formerly Blackwater). His viewsas depicted in one affidavit from the court case against himcertainly echo much of what Hersh ascribes to the JSOC and the Knights of Malta:
To that end, Mr. Prince intentionally deployed to Iraq certain men who shared his vision of Christian supremacy, knowing and wanting these men to take every available opportunity to murder Iraqis. Many of these men used call signs based on the Knights of the Templar, the warriors who fought the Crusades.
Mr. Prince operated his companies in a manner that encouraged and rewarded the destruction of Iraqi life. For example, Mr. Prince's executives would openly speak about going over to Iraq to "lay Hajiis out on cardboard." Going to Iraq to shoot and kill Iraqis was viewed as a sport or game. Mr. Prince's employees openly and consistently used racist and derogatory terms for Iraqis and other Arabs, such as "ragheads" or "hajiis."

Hersh's assertions would also add context to the curious case of former U.S. deputy undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, Gen. William Boykin, who drew fire during his tenure for calling the war against Islamic extremism a struggle against "a spiritual enemy called Satan."

And of course Dubya Bush smugly talked of his "crusade"....
"It means this War was never political at all, the politics was all theatre, all just to keep the people distracted...."
"Proverbs for Paranoids 4: You hide, They seek."
"They are in Love. Fuck the War."

Gravity's Rainbow, Thomas Pynchon

"Ccollanan Pachacamac ricuy auccacunac yahuarniy hichascancuta."
The last words of the last Inka, Tupac Amaru, led to the gallows by men of god & dogs of war
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