Saint Fletcher the Obscure

[James Lewis]

Just a thought...Francis Fruge, during his HSCA testimony, mentioned that Sergio Arcacha Smith had actual diagrams of the downtown Dallas sewer system on his person...just saying...

your very welcome there '' sewer guy'' from ''sewer gal.''..:wavey:..i love getting into the dungeon, one never knows, what the gremlin is sitting on...and has not eaten , yet...as i put it when things begin to disappear..

[Seamus Coogan]

Just a thought...Francis Fruge, during his HSCA testimony, mentioned that Sergio Arcacha Smith had actual diagrams of the downtown Dallas sewer system on his person...just saying...

your very welcome there '' sewer guy'' from ''sewer gal.''..:wavey:..i love getting into the dungeon, one never knows, what the gremlin is sitting on...and has not eaten , yet...as i put it when things begin to disappear..

The real issue is that the sewer system was likely a possible escape route. It's unclear what Garrison initially thought of it. It was not designated as a 'shooters map'. The Map itself may have lead Garrison to make the claim that one of the shooters was standing in a Storm Drain. But it's pretty clear he's probably talking about the drain up on the over pass and likely not the one JFK's limo passed. If anybody stood in the Elm Street storm drain they'd look extremely stupid or they were incredibly short.

Old Jim G had a few shooters in varied places. He later seems to have dropped the storm drain angle (at least making public statements about it). Furthermore, Bob Groden is a good source for debunking the storm drain thesis and it's many guises. Bernice and Greg buy into Storm Drain shooters and likely Jim Fetzer (he'd believe anything no matter how bad) if thats what your buying into here I wish you all the best but please forgive me if I don't partake in sewer advocacy.

[Bernice Moore]

i think a north or south drain shot was a possible, and or also a sewer drain shot from Elm , a possible,but then others think the same from the top of just about every building within dealey, so to each their own without any derogatory comments,:what: no one ever said anyone had to believe in anything, not to my knowledge, and if they do so by elimination, then imo they are in error...b

[Bernice Moore]

Just a thought...Francis Fruge, during his HSCA testimony, mentioned that Sergio Arcacha Smith had actual diagrams of the downtown Dallas sewer system on his person...just saying...

your very welcome there '' sewer guy'' from ''sewer gal.''..:wavey:..i love getting into the dungeon, one never knows, what the gremlin is sitting on...and has not eaten , yet...as i put it when things begin to disappear..

'' James please excuse my bad manners, i meant yesterday to thank you for your input, i was aware someone having diagrams but could not recall the whom, nor came upon the information when i did the deep digging research into all, so thankyou very much, i will now find the details and make the addition...b

James; i finally found the edition the information is in, at mary ferrells, best b

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archiv...elPageId=9

[Bernice Moore]

Just a thought...Francis Fruge, during his HSCA testimony, mentioned that Sergio Arcacha Smith had actual diagrams of the downtown Dallas sewer system on his person...just saying...

your very welcome there '' sewer guy'' from ''sewer gal.''..:wavey:..i love getting into the dungeon, one never knows, what the gremlin is sitting on...and has not eaten , yet...as i put it when things begin to disappear..

The real issue is that the sewer system was likely a possible escape route. It's unclear what Garrison initially thought of it. It was not designated as a 'shooters map'. The Map itself may have lead Garrison to make the claim that one of the shooters was standing in a Storm Drain. But it's pretty clear he's probably talking about the drain up on the over pass and likely not the one JFK's limo passed. If anybody stood in the Elm Street storm drain they'd look extremely stupid or they were incredibly short.

Old Jim G had a few shooters in varied places. He later seems to have dropped the storm drain angle (at least making public statements about it). Furthermore, Bob Groden is a good source for debunking the storm drain thesis and it's many guises. Bernice and Greg buy into Storm Drain shooters and likely Jim Fetzer (he'd believe anything no matter how bad) if thats what your buying into here I wish you all the best but please forgive me if I don't partake in sewer advocacy.

Seamus you have already participated in this thread before now, we, myself and some others are now waiting for you to present your research proving what has been found and posted is all in error, as you do not buy into it, then put your research where your mouth has been, thankyou, we await...b

[James Lewis]

Hmmm, very interesting, to say the least. My point was that someone had diagrams of the sewer system, and that that person, if he actually had those diagrams, whether they were used for escape routes or anything else, was a person who was connected to the conspiracy at a very high level. Otherwise, how would he have come into possession of them in the first place??

[Bernice Moore]

James and from what i have read, they would have been supplied by the city of dallas, b

[Bernice Moore]

below is seen the photo, that garrison had taken of the limo passing by the opening from the sewer drain, on elm street, if that was used, as you can see his head would have been in view..and then motorcycle officer haygood in the couch film, seen checking out the sewer drain, plus there were witnesses who stated as they drove into that area the odor of gun smoke as heavy, it would not have been smoke from the fence area as smoke travels upward, and the wind that day was dispersing it upwards in that particular area, as greg suggested with a modified weapon it could be possible..:jawdrop:b

[Trowbridge H. Ford]

I grew to trust Prouty after a rather long dealing with him - what was started by the photographer Richard Sprague, as I recall.

Prouty was very slow to come forward about much of anything because he knew not to trust anyone without long testing first - what explained why there was not that much communication over a long period of time.

Once Tom Valentine published my three part series on the Dallas conspiracy in 1978, Prouty, as I recall - at least someone did - said that it was a good piece of work. The only problem, he said, was that I "...had not aimed high enough" about the real leaders of the conspiracy - what got me much more interested in going after Helms, Harvey, Angleton, Scott, Goss and others.

Before that I had been too interested in people like Hunt, the tramps, etc., thanks to Sprague's photographs, though he wasn't interested in the Jim Altgens' one, leading us to go our separate ways.

I know that the letters from Prouty are somewhere in this office, as I noticed them when cleaning up here awhile ago, and shall add or deny what I have just said when I hopefully find them.

[Bernice Moore]

thankyou, for the further information on col.prouty, if you feel there is anything within that you would like to share when you come upon the letters, please feel free to share, all is greatly appreciated,

JAMES; i am still searching, i am nit picking it...fyi..:wavey:

below is further information from tom wilson, on his research...b

from "The Truth Shall Make You Free" episode TMWKK..a review

""The first
was Tom Wilson - with 30 years experience using imaging and
photonics
techniques in the steel industry. He has now applied this
techniques - along
with computer enhancement - to examine again the
Zapruder film. What was
revealed - using high resolution pixel imaging
and Fourier analysis - was
nothing short of amazing. In the head shot
frame - for example - one could
actually see, with Wilson's techniques-
the image of the bullet, inside JFK's
skull and its *track* moving from
the FRONT to the REAR of the skull.
Undeniable high level, high quality
evidence that the shot did indeed come
from the front - as we have been
maintaining all along. Showing the detailed
iamgery, Wilson himself
found his eyes welling with tears. One could sense his painful awareness
of the lies and distortions we've been fed all these
years, co-mingling
with his frustration that up to now none of 'officialdom'
has taken his
work seriously or at least tried to replicate it.

He
also indicated that on going to Dealey Plaza and attempting to
reconstruct
the placement of all key people, etc. he could not get
things to fit - with
the motion of the bullet seen in his imagery.
However, on further inspection
- and on locating a storm sewer cover at
the side of Elm St. - he found that
the problem was solved and indeed
the shot could only have been made from
that location (the fatal head
shot).

This was confirmed by Jack Brazil
and a military team he put together in
1992, who found:

a) a man could
easily fit inside the storm sewer drain and have an open
view onto Elm St.
and a good shot at the motorcade.


the man could easily make his escape (in something like 20-23
minutes) by
following out the storm sewer to the Trinity River - making
his way clear and
free.

The scenes tracing the sewer escape route were sobering indeed -
and
show that indeed, the killing could be carried out as a perfect
crime,
with the perpetrators getting away scott free.

After the Brazil
demo, Tom Wilson was seen again - now examining the
autopsy photos with his
techniques and comparing them with the
photonic/pixel densities in the head
of JFK as disclosed in the pristine
Mary Moorman photo (aimed toward the GK,
JFK's head visible from the
rear).

His imaging analysis showed where
genuine human tissue was located in
the autopsy film- by comparing it with
pixel densities in the
pre-autopsy condition (as exposed from the Moorman
film). What was
revealed was nothing less than startling: massive sections of
'fake'
material covering nearly the entire rear of JFK's head (Wilson
referred
to it was Mortician's plaster). This same material was also used in
the
front of the head, to cover the entrance wound there.

Wilson's
fine work, and detailed analysis, showed also what many of us
have been saying all along - that the autopsy photos are indeed fakes.""

................................................................................
....................

.
Thomas W. Wilson......Review Board 1998.....

On September 11, 1998, Mr.
Thomas W. Wilson of Pennsylvania made a presentation to Review Board staff
summarizing his eight years of research into the authenticity and significance
of the JFK autopsy images and the Zapruder film, and additional study of the
Mary Moorman Polaroid photograph, using "photonics" as a technological
tool.

Mr. Wilson donated the following materials to the JFK Collection:
(1) a 20-page "executive summary" of his work; (2) a graphic presentation of Mr.
Wilson's research conclusions about President Kennedy's head wounds, using
"A.D.A.M." software to display his conclusions; (3) a 20-minute audiotape of a
discussion between Mr. Wilson and former Navy x-ray technician Jerrol Custer,
dated 3/28/98; and (4) a commercially sold videotape summarizing his
work.

Mr. Wilson believes he possesses a considerable amount of
scientific and physical evidence, accumulated over eight years (from 1988-1996),
proving his contention that President Kennedy was shot from the front, not from
behind. He is willing to donate all of this material to the JFK Collection if
FBI or Department of Justice officials will first allow him to make his full
two-day presentation on the evidence he has collected regarding the Moorman
photograph, the Zapruder film, and the autopsy photographs of President
Kennedy.
................................................................................
....Tom did leave with them a copy of all his work, it has never been seen again, and they never contacted him in the future...

Tom
died a few years ago....

This I know is review , but I thought
all of us can use such ,I know I do, often..


Testimony of Thomas Wilson



http://jfkassassination.net/arrb/index68.htm

Witnessess

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/wit.htm#u


Thanks for your time...Regards.....B

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfU9tqbA_hY
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