Saint Fletcher the Obscure

[Phil Dragoo]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]1946[/ATTACH]

And please add the additional tiny detail:

Greer Brakes for Snipers.

[Bernice Moore]

i have finally found the download to the original thread at rich's, it was begun by lee forman, the print out had not copied all,see previous posted, lee and i have always had an agreement since we were at rich's that we may use each others information, within our studies, so here was his original questions that lead the thread off, which he called btw the underpass nonsense, but had many doubts and much new information from all who participated in the end...thanks b:pinkelephant:

Nonsense « on: September 28, 2006, 01:23 PM »
Quick observations:

When the rush to the knoll took place, they ran to the stairs and they ran to the corner of the underpass. Even the 2 boys in their school jackets, who hide at first back in one of the Pergola shelters, they end up there at the corner of the top of the underpass.

Curry orders a man to find out what happened up there.

Holland and the other railroad guys don't mention anything - except for a bit about what I translate as 'seeing someone toss something, which was obscured from their location because of the vegetation.'

Pate says that Hargis told him the shots came from the area of the curb, and the top of the underpass.

And on and on and on.

I didn't used to believe that there was a shooter up there, because it would have been hard to conceal from the individuals at the top of the underpass, but that's not neccessarily true. I have a photo which I took of the backside of the area in question, which I may be able to dig out. Jack has posted stuff on this before.

The diameter of the pipe in there is only 16" - so much for a theory of men slithering around in the pipes to escape - however, there was that bit about a rifle being found in one of the pipes - I remember Bernice posted that and got it from Marrs - I remember being confised as top which side of the underpass Marrs was referring to - however. I also heard something about that through a different contact.

Here's the question, or the problem I have. Let's say that this was one of the shooter's locations. He was able to stand in the storm grate, and have a good shot from under the picketfence. Would that explain why the area appears to have been altered?
In the Cabluck and the Cancellare? Shouldn't we see the fence pickets, and the gap at the bottom?

- lee


ps; does anyone know if jack brazil may still be alive, if so could he be contacted, it was said he had the maps to the sewers, i tried to find him but had no luck, also, i did contact Dallas about such a map, i was referred to a small tourist outlet, a woman there was very friendly and when i asked for a copy of the dallas drains, sewers map, she looked and found it an old copy out in the back room in storage, it was a large map, but she agreed she could copy in four parts or so, and send by web,and also by mail, we agreed upon a price, and it was all set, i then heard back a couple of days later that her boss had seen the old map out, had checked and it was not allowed to be copied, i never heard from her again, though i sent a couple of emails later, almost had it but no prize...sorry i do not have the proof of this as it was all in the emails that got hacked awhile ago,much was lost darn, but i did share this info at the time with i believe two good research friends, who would recall, thanks... b

[Bernice Moore]

here was his second, then it goes to my research posted...b

Re: Underpass Nonsense « Reply #2 on: September 28, 2006, 01:39 PM »

What you would have needed without a doubt, would have been someone stationed there to make sure no one bumped into the operation in progress. A railroad detective, a man with bogus SS credentials, a dirty DPD cop, something. But if you had a shooter located here, he wouldn't have been seen from the top of the underpass.

And speaking of the top of the underpass, there's some weird looking activity there, shortly after the shots were fired. There are the two men that can be seen in the Bell film, for example - and some strange looking behavior - one dark complected man with his hands in the air, and a man with a cowboy type hat who appears to be on a radio. Hang on...hmmm. What a shame, I seem to have lost that one in the crash of 2006.

here was my first then back and we all were off and running...:wavey: b

Hi Lee:

I am attaching this Bell below, I have no idea if this is the frame you mean.??

You mention the diameter of the pipe being only 16", that is now, not back then....according to Penn Jones, Jack Brazil, and others ..as will the sewers that as I understand it, have been
done over during the passing years.They are nothing like they were....They made the trips many times...in all the different directions.... [IMG]file:///C:/Users/Bernice/Desktop/FOLDERS/New%20Folder%20Photos/Sewer/Sewers%201/Sewers%20post_files/wink.gif[/IMG].below is Penn, in the street sewer, another Brazil walking out of the entrance from his trip, not sure if this is from the street sewer or the one behind the South fence...

I believe Decker orders his men, to get up to the RR yards, and check them out, and yet, in the WC report it is simply not mentioned, and instead quoted that he ordered
the men to the TSBD..not the RR yard, another crappie.

I am wondering as others, if the bottom boards were loosed from say the nails, and were able to be swng back in place,on the North side, it could have been possible....?

On the south side, I have been told by some who have been to Dealey, that as the overpass takes a turn at the end on the North, it does also on the South, that is apparently a blind
spot as on the south..I also have a photo from the North side, but not sure if I still have such, will have a look

As I understand it, when Holland, and the men ran around behind the fence, there were others running, previous to his arrival there, I have wondered how many were RRmen and how
many perhaps were others, who melded in.?? how many were there..and had been ??..Also recall the RRmen were taken in the days that followed, down to the I believe the RR office and interviewed by the FBI, and
SS..? and told and retold what they had and had seen......Their information is not to be found within the WR nor studies... gone..This is within a video Mark Lanes..where whomever speaks to some of the RRmen that were there..

Will have a look for the rest......be back if I find anything b.

[Bernice Moore]

this was lee's next with the Sam Pate information he has passed along...b

Thanks for the dynamite information. The diameter of the pipe was different in 1963? I never heard that before. It's odd, I had heard that there were men in the sewers from a source - and I didn't believe it. To paraphrase - "men in uniform in the sewers.' It's weird how stuff that you hear can continually come around to haunt you. Very interesting B - thank you very much.

I recognize that this location was looked at some time ago - I heard some funny things about it recently, including from Sam Pate, and just started thinking about it again. Pate said that at some point he had a break-in, and had to contact the FBI. The FBI man told him that the name of the shooter in the area of the 'curb' was a man named 'Bruno.' Bruno had maffia connections and he was dead. He had used a silenced .45. Interesting - no? I didn't want to influence his 'curb' bit - but I still think that shooter was right there on the stairs.

Later, Sam told me he went to the Lucas B&B [which was next door to the Vegas club] after they captured Oswald. He said to the owner [Faithon Lucas] - 'well at least they got him.' The owner's response was, 'Well. They think they got him.' The Lucas B&B went on to create a string of restaurants in Texas - I've been to Pappasitos - I was reluctant to post that on the 'other forum.' They have a lot of money.

Here's the latest email I received from Pate - unedited. I also sent him the Moorman where you can see the guy on the stairs, as well as a photo of James Worrell. I let him know that some folks [me really] believe that he may have seen James Worrell running from around the front of the TSBD. I still think Worrell ran on to Erving, or whatever that street is named, where his Mother worked, hooked a right, made it back to Elm, saw the bus stuck in traffic, ran after it, boarded it, and then got off when he saw it wasn't moving. He got a transfer ticket, and then it was all cooked up against Oswald - who probably got a ride to the bus station. All just my thinking I guess.

- lee

Howdy there, have you been beseiged by people want to know something about the Kennedy Assassination?


Hello Sam!

Hope that his email finds all well with you. I am cleaning up my email inbox and came across your address. Just thought it might be wise for me to ask you a few questions, if you don't mind answering.

1. You never explained to me why KBOX fired you.

I was working the motorcade route from Love Field to the Trade Mart but when I got to Cedar Springs and Harwood I could see that I wouldn't be able to hopskotching around due to all of the one-way's and stop signs so instead of getting tied up, I went west on McKinney Ave. then to HiLine Road and Stemmons freeway and put the mobile unit the wrong way on stemmons so I could watch the oncoming traffic and then when the mobile unit was leaving Stemmons, I heard Sheriff Bill Decker say " gets some men up in thjose railroad yards and find out where those shots came from. I radioed Karl King that shots had been fired and the police dispatcher had called for parkland emergency. I was burning rubber down stemmons freeway at about 80 miles per hour and I was speeding toward the motorcade units. I continued on up stemmons racing towayd the motorcade. Kennedy's limo was a few feet from my left side of the car...and I could see a secret service man spreadeagled over the President and Jackie and connally fell to the presidents side of the car and the light blue lincoln convertable went almost over on the east side of the freeway. After they shot past me, I made a u-turn and went up Continental to where Continental and McKinney and Lamar St all came together. I sped to the back end of the Texas Schoolbook Depository, ( I thought it was called the Hertz building ) The Houston St was under construction and almost impassable but I just shot over all of it. A truck driver was finishing his lunch and he ran across the barricade so I could get in and start making some news reports. I was the only guy behind the Depository Bldg. and it was several minutes before any police officers came to the rear of the building. Oswald was running out of the front end of the Depository Bldg. and about half way down Houston he crossed Houston and was running like a rabbit and when he got to the corner of Houston and Pacific Ave. he disappeared. The guy whom was running from the building and then he was out of sight. A Friend was in the mobile unit and we both commented that it was really something if it was the shooter. A few minutes later the police department dispatchers described the runner was the same one we saw.

HARGIS! No, he didn't really say anything except that due to the rain we had allnight, the grassy knoll was slippers and that he had tried several times to run up the embankment but he kept on sliding up the hill. He finally used his hands and feet to make it up the knoll. I asked him if he heard any shots and he said yes, One was a loud report near the triple underpass. A second shot sounded like it came from up in the Depository Building area. Hargis was still up in the grassy knoll area. Then he heard a muffled sound near the curb area. That was where Bruno fired the 45 cal automatic with the silencer...Hargis said that one was like POOMP! The other weapons being fired were like a loud BANG!

2. Hargis ever mention anything peculiar to you about the stairs on the grassy knoll?

JUST WHAT HE HAD TOLD ME.

3. What ever happened to the radio stuff that you did on the scene in Dealey Plaza?

DICK MOORE FORMER NEWS DIRECTOR AT KBOX I UNDERSTAND THAT HE WAS TOLD BY JOHN BOX IN ST LOUIS TO GET THOSE REPORTS AND HIDE THEM A WAY.

4. Did anyone you know say anything odd about kids being around the plaza acting funny?

NO! THE REPORTS I MADE WERE IN THE NEWSROOM AND THEN THEY WERE NOT IN THERE. DICK GOT THEM. MY REPORTS WERE BY TWO-WAY AND TELEPHONE REPORTS. I ADVISED KARL KING ( HE IS DECEASED NOW ) I STAYED AT THE DEPOSITORY UNTIL I MOVED TO CITY HALL AFTER I HAD HEARD THAT OSWALD WAS CAUGHT. I CALLED BILL HAMPTON, MY SO-CALLED NEWS DIRECTOR THAT A POLICEMAN WAS SHOT AT 10TH AND PATTON, DO YOU WANT ME TO RUN OVER THERE REAL QUICK AND CHECK IT OUT? NO, STAY WERE YOU ARE HE SAID...THAT IS WHERE THE ACTION IS. ABOUT 15 MINUTES LATER ANOTHER REPORT CAME OVER A POLICE CAR RADIO AND THE PERSON SPEAKING WAS A CITIZEN SAYING THAT WE THINK THIS POLICE OFFICER IS DEAD....THE DISPATCHER SAID DON'T MAKE ANY OTHER REPORTS.. I TOLD HAMPTON, THE POLICE OFFICER IS DEAD....HAMPTON TOLD ME TO STAY WHERE I AM, IT IS THE HOT SPOT RIGHT NOW. AGAIN AS I WAS SITTING IN THE MOBILE UNIT THAT ON CH 2 AND IT SAID, OFFICERS ON THE MOTORCADE DUTY, GO TO THE OFFICE OF FEDERAL JUDGE SARAH T HUGHES AND MAKE AN ESCOURT TO LOVE FIELD AND SWEAR IN LBJ AS THE NEW PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THERE WERE NUMEROUS REPORTS I HAD MADE. ABOUT 35 TO 40 OF THEM BECAUSE I WENT TO CITY HALL AND TALKED WITH SEVERAL DETECTIVES AND SPOKE FOR A MOMENT TO OSWALD. THERE JUST WASN'T ANYONE AT THE RADIO STATION THAT WAS INTERESTED. PERHAPS IT WAS BEING A CATHOLIC. THERE WAS HARDLY ANYONE IN THE RADIO STATION. 1FINALLY WENT BY THE LUCAS B&B AND HAD A SANDWICH. I HAD BEEN UP SINCE 4:OO AM BECAUSE I HAD TO DO TRAFFIC REPORTS FROM 6:00AM TIL 9:00 AM. THERE IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF THINGS THAT DROPPED INTO MY LAP THAT DAY. I WENT TO THE STATION AFTER THAT AND I WENT TO THE STUDIO AND GOT THREE GUYS TO HELP ME AND WE WORKED UNTIL AFTER MIDNIGHT. KARL KING SAID THAT HE AND I HAD BEEN FIRED BECAUSE KARL KING LEFT A PHONE OF THE HOOK TO GIVE ALL OF THE FEEDS WE HAVE TO UPI AND UPI AUDIO. I WASN'T ANYWHERE NEAR THAT CAUSE. WELL, SATURDAY MORNING THERE WAS A STAFF MEETING AND KARL AND I WERE TOLD THAT WE WERE HAVING TO HAVE A BUDGET CUT. kARL SAID IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE PHONE OFF THE HOOK AND I HAD ABSOLUTELY NO PARTY IN THAT. THEN I FOUND THE REASON WHY. NEITHER BILL HAMPTON NOR RON JENKINS HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ASSASSINATION COVERAGE. THEY WERE GOING OUT BUYING SOME ITEMS FOR BILL HAMPTON'S NEW APARTMENT. THEY NEVER MADE ANY REPORT IN ANY WAY. THEN UPI WANTED ALL OF THE REPORTS WE HAD MADE BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO MAKE A ALBUM ON THE ASSASSINATION. THEY COULDN'T DO IT BECAUSE THEY NEVER USED ANY REPORTS AT ALL. A FEW DAYS AFTER KARL AND I WERE CANNED, RON JENKINS CALLED ME AND ASKED IF I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN MAKING SOME DUMMY REPORTS BECAUSE ALL OF THE COVERAGES WERE STOLEN AND WE CAN'T DO IT UNLESS I DO IT TO. WE WILL ALL MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. WELL WE DID IT BUT I NEVER GOT A DIME FROM ANYTHING ,JENKINS AND HAMPTON GOT IT ALL, THEY DUMMIED UP THE REPORTS AND GAVE THE PHONY STORIES AND GAVE THEM TO UPI. I WAS AT THE STEMMONS FREEWAY A BLOCK FROM THE DEPOSITORY BLDG. AND RON WASN'T ANYWHERE...ALL OF THE REPORTS THEY MADE WERE ABOUT A WEEK AFTER THE ASSASSINATION. THEY MIGHT HAVE SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THE ASSASSINATION BUT IT WAS AFTERDAYS WENT BY ON THE ASSASSINATION. MOST EVERYONE KNEW MY REPORTS WERE NOT THE ONE I HAD THE DAY KENNEDY WAS KILLED. IT WAS A REAL JOKE.

Anyway - hope that everything is good. Thanks for answering my other questions.

Kind regards,

Lee Forman

this was the next and i believe was the last in this thread, i believe about all now has been posted, i will check,but the few from detroit funk....b

[Greg Burnham]

Thanks for digging for this, Bernice!

[Bernice Moore]

your very welcome there '' sewer guy'' from ''sewer gal.''..:wavey:..i love getting into the dungeon, one never knows, what the gremlin is sitting on...and has not eaten , yet...as i put it when things begin to disappear..

[Bernice Moore]

One from the master; :wavey:
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I have never dismissed the idea. There are some interesting items that tie this idea together a bit. This pertains to only a shot to the temple
1) the work of Tom Wilson
2) the photos (taken by Monk?) of the view from the sewer which appears to show a shot is possible. a comment was made about repaving since 1963 which decreased the size of the opening by 3 or 4 inches
3) the work of Jack Brazil..I think that's his name. this goes back many years and he, and/or his associates actually made their way thru the sewer network from that spot
4) the comment by Lt Fruge who mentioned that a Dallas PD detective (or policeman)
mentioned finding maps of the sewer system in the apt of Sergio Acacia Smith
5) the strange comment by Clint Hill that the last shot had an unusual sound to it.. a hollow, metallic type of sound
6) the blood splatter on one of the motorcycle cops
This is all from memory, so if I'm not completely accurate on this information, my apologies

Nick is accurate on all counts. Tom Wilson's study shows
a shot to the right temple from the sewer. Unknown to
most researchers was a photo I saw made during the
filming of the TNT special. Lasers were used to track
various wounds. One laser from a head wound pointed
directly at the sewer. This was not used in the documentary.

Jack
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[Bernice Moore]

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Dallas History Message Board
Dallas Underground Tunnels
Posted By: Tait Lifto - http://www.dallastunnels.com <taitlifto@hotmail.com>
Date: Friday, 19 November 2004, at 10:48 a.m.

I'm looking for any information I can locate as research for my non-profit website dedicated to the Dallas Underground Tunnels. I personally love the tunnels and have used them for years so I built the site to share info with others. However, I'm having a horrible time in locating info on the tunnels' history. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Thanks!
http://www.dallastunnels.com
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Tait the tunnel site is also gone, i have a couple of his photos, will dig..b

[Bernice Moore]

"Small Army Mans Vast Underground of Dallas"(1947)
Posted By: Jim Wheat
Date: Friday, 19 November 2004, at 3:27 p.m.
In Response To: Dallas Underground Tunnels (Tait Lifto - http://www.dallastunnels.com)

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Small Army Mans Vast
Underground of Dallas
By Ben Bradford
Dallas has a vast underground.
ItÕs a little known world, made up of tunnels,
basements, sub-basements, manhole vaults and
sewers that catacomb the city. And, itÕs manned by a
small army of men and women who make all or most of
their living beneath the earthÕs surface.
Few laymen know the enormity of the cityÕs
underground.
DallasÕ storm sewer system -- with some lines as much
as sixteen feet in diameter -- would permit a man
familiar with the system to travel beneath the surface
to nearly any point in the downtown section and to
many suburban areas.
A steam locomotive operates daily under Young and
Wood Streets, with its northern terminal directly under
the second section of the Santa Fe Building on
Jackson.
Two large tunnels pass under Main and Akard Streets
connecting the Hotel Adolphus and the Kirby and
Magnolia Buildings.
Most of the downtown streets and sidewalks are mere
shells over these underground installations.
Trackage Totals Two Miles.
DallasÕ underground railroad, operated by Santa Fe,
keeps six railroad men and around fifty dockhands
under the ground most of each day.
The locomotive dips under the earthÕs surface 300
yards south of Young Street and pushes along the main
underground line to Jackson Street. A labyrinth of
tunneled sidings boosts the lineÕs total trackage to
around two miles.
Each day, the little engine, in operation since 1924,
when the tunnel was completed, chugs in and out of
the tunnel -- unmindful of the heavy traffic above it --
with tons of merchandise for approximately a dozen
Dallas firms with underground docks.
Largest of Santa FeÕs underground customers is the
Dallas Transfer & Terminal Warehouse Company.
The engine operates with live steam, which is pumped
into its tanks at intervals of from three to four hours. It
can not produce its own steam because smoke would
make the tunnel untenable.
Cool in Summer, Says Worker.
W. B. Nail, 49, who has played nursemaid to the little
locomotive for the last five years, likes his underground
job.
ÒItÕs cool in the summer, and it never freezes in the
winter,Ó he explained.
The Dallas Power & Light Company, Southwestern Bell
Telephone Company and Western Union went
underground with their installations in the last half of
the 1920Õs in an effort to clear downtown streets of
telephone and power poles and a criss-crossed
network of power lines.
Now, there are 2,530 underground manhole vaults
beneath the cityÕs streets and sidewalks. These vaults
range from small 4x5-foot cubby-holes, to spaces as
large as a big living room.
The three companies keep a total of approximately
eighty-five workers underground each day on
maintenance work.
25 Years Spent Underground.
O. J. Jones, 55, of 1413 Peabody, went underground as
a DP&L cable splicer twenty-six years ago and has
been on below-the-surface work ever since. He likes it.
The grizzled, underground veteran puts it like this:
Ã’Some guys like the poles. But, pole work freezes a
man in winter and roasts him in the summer. ItÕs
always just about right in the vaults. Besides, I know a
few guys thatÕve fallen off poles -- but, I never heard
of anyone falling out of one of these holes.Ó
Hundreds of persons are employed in the basements
and sub-basements of the cityÕs large downtown
buildings. Basement job holders range from power
plant engineers to bank vault guards, bargain
basement clerks and pastry chefs.
The Hotel Adolphus employs 550 workers, 400 of them
in the hotelÕs mammoth five-level basement that drops
two complete stories below street level.
In the various basements are the laundry, power plant,
engineering department, bakery, butcher shop,
storerooms, ice plant, artesian well, carpenter shop,
paint shop, upholstery shop and merchandise receiving
room.
Office One of CityÕs Lowest.
W. A. Griffith, 49, took over his job as operating
engineer for the Hotel Adolphus five years ago. His
office is in the fifth sub-basement, one of the lowest in
the city.
Although Griffith has gone as long as a week at a time
without a glimpse of the sun during winterÕs short days,
he insists he had just as soon work underground as
above it.
P. A. Ingels, a native of Belgium, and pastry chef for
Hotel Adolphus since 1921, says heÕs none the worse
for the twenty-six years heÕs spent in the hotel
basement.
ÒI guess itÕs all in what you get used to,Ó he said,
adding, Òbut I do wish theyÕd hurry up with the air
conditioning they say theyÕre going to put down here.Ó
Felix Dyer, a retired Dallas policeman, who guards the
First National BankÕs underground vault, says flatly,
that underground work is better than pounding a beat
all day.
Miss Margueritte Chamberlain, who has had a
basement job at the bank for the last three years, says
she sees no difference between her job and one
upstairs.
Experts Currently at Work.
Approximately sixty expert underground workers, many
with extensive mining experience, are at work on the
two major tunneling projects currently under way in
the city.
The McKenzie Construction Company of San Antonio is
tunneling a 4,200-foot underground storm sewer in
connection with the Central Boulevard project and the
P. C. Sorenson Company of Dallas is at work on three
large sewer tunnels, totaling around 1,000 feet on the
east bank interceptor sewer project.
At present, the Sorenson company is midway through
with its tunnel under West Commerce between the
Triple Underpass and Industrial.
Underground laborers on the tunneling project receive
$1.25 an hour -- 45¢ more than above-ground common
labor.
Veteran Miner Likes Work.
G. S. Cross, the Sorenson companyÕs tunneling
superintendent and veteran coal miner, has survived
three mine cave-ins, but still likes his underground
work.
Thirty-five feet under the center of West Commerce last
week, he picked up a handful of damp earth from the
bank of earth his men were tunneling through, and
said:
ÒI reckon itÕs the challenge that I like about the
underground work. ItÕs always you and your men
against the tricky earth youÕre punching through.Ó
Walter C. Brown, his burly swing-shift foreman, nodded
agreement, then hopped nimbly out of the path of the
donkey cart of dirt, a winch and cable was hauling to
the tunnelÕs entrance.
- July 27, 1947, The Dallas Morning News, Sec. IV, p. 1.
[The article includes two photographs, one bearing the
caption:
Ã’Tunnel workers push a section of the east bank
interceptor sewer thirty-five feet beneath West
Commerce, between Industrial and Triple Underpass.
Left to right: Cap Larsen, co-contractor on the project;
J. A. Smith, laborer; K. R. Baker, city engineer; Walter C.
Brown, swing-shift foreman; G. S. Cross, tunnel
superintendent on the project, and Lynn Barner,
laborer."
the other photo, bears the caption:
"W. R. Nail, assistant Santa Fe roundhouse foreman, is
nursemaid to this odd-shaped underground locomotive
which chugs busily beneath Dallas streets and
buildings. The picture was made in the tunnel under
the Santa Fe BuildingÕs second section."
.
Related article: ÒDallas Subway Already ExistsÓ
January 7, 1965, The Dallas Morning News, Sec. 1, p. 10

[Bernice Moore]

don parker had done the storm drains, penn 91

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At the top of the grassy knoll, many people describe the acrid smell of gunpowder. Anyone who fires weapons knows this smell, it is unmistakable. These witnesses include Dallas police, war veterans, and United States Senator Ralph Yarborough, who smelled the gun powder as he drove through the cloud of smoke in the motorcade.

from detroit funk;
It just so happens that at this location, there is a sewer grate to the underground sewer system below Dealey Plaza. With the cover removed, a man can stand in the sewer and be at a level perfect to aim through the fence.
This sewer channel also is large enough to walk through, and people have conducted tests and verified that you can escape from this location, and come up in a sewer outlet on the other side of the railroad Triple Overpass. That makes this a very valid location to suspect a frontal head shot - the one that causes the Presidents head to shoot backward and to his left towards Jackie.
This does not preclude that he was also struck in the head from behind however.
Interestingly, Dealey Plaza was built as a WPA project under the supervision of a young Civil Engineer named Lyndon B. Johnson.


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