A shot through the Elm St. Storm Drain: Myth or Reality?

[Vasilios Vazakas]

i understand what do you mean and it is a wise thing to do. I just hope that Mr. Carrier will learn of our discussions about him and join us. The funny thing about him is that he hasn't written a book (not that i know of) and i could not find out any site or blog created by him.

[Peter Lemkin]

Human curiosity being what it is, it's only natural to wonder where various shooters were in and around Dealey Plaza. They had names, faces, and backgrounds, after all.

But with all due respect...the sewers, the picket fence, the railroad bridge, Dal-Tex, TSBD, etc etc...really aren't all that important. The shooters were just mechanics and any number of Soldier of Fortune types could have done the job, from a number of viable locations.

Too much of this case has become mythologized.

In my humble opinion, of course.

With all due respect John, yes and no. Their actual identities don't matter - others could have easily filled their shoes; however their affiliations and that they were there [not LHO in the sixth floor] goes to the point of the matters at hand.

I personally do not [at this time, with what evidence exists and of which I'm aware] think that a shot likely came from the sewer, HOWEVER, I think it quite likely there was a marksmen there and it could have been a shooter location. I think people should be aware that it is my belief that there were more shooter teams [usually three - shooter, communications man, lookout and timer] than fired. Just as they have crossfire to increase exponentially the chances of a successful kill, they have extra teams to fire, if and as needed. I believe in addition to DP they had a team on the other side of the underpass and several at the Trade Mart. JFK was NOT to live to see another day!!!!! Nor was America.

[Vasilios Vazakas]

Charles

I know this is not a thread about Al Carrier, but since you asked, these are some of his posts:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....2799&st=15

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....=2390&st=0

http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard...8&page=230

http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard...3&page=230

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index....2444&st=30

[Charles Drago]

Be advised that the material to which links have been provided above is complex, challenging, and possibly intended to disinform.

For the record, I did NOT ask, directly or implicitly, for the links to be posted.

And while I stand for free access to all data of this kind, I am nonetheless conflicted over the presentation on DPF of links to "Education" Forum threads.

In the final analysis, our quests for truth and justice should end the conflict in favor of full disclosure.

[Vasilios Vazakas]

Charles

I attached the posts since you asked me if i am in touch with him and if i am aware of his posts and i thought that they might be of interest. I took the liberty to post the above in this thread, i don't know Mr. Carrier and i don't intend to spread misinformation. Neither to cause you any trouble.

[Charles Drago]

Vasillios,

Al Carrier is an important if elusive source of information. I know of him only from his now-discontinued presence on another forum -- the one I refer to as the Disinformation Bazaar.

I cannot make even a preliminary judgment as to the veracity of Mr. Carrier's many intriguing posts. I have followed leads offered therein, one of which proved quite revealing and thus valuable. But my defenses remain up.

Are you in touch with him and/or are you aware of public postings by Mr. Carrier within the past three years or so?

WRONG, Vasilios.

I asked if you know of posts by Mr. Carrer made within the past three years or so.

[Vasilios Vazakas]

Vasillios,

Al Carrier is an important if elusive source of information. I know of him only from his now-discontinued presence on another forum -- the one I refer to as the Disinformation Bazaar.

I cannot make even a preliminary judgment as to the veracity of Mr. Carrier's many intriguing posts. I have followed leads offered therein, one of which proved quite revealing and thus valuable. But my defenses remain up.

Are you in touch with him and/or are you aware of public postings by Mr. Carrier within the past three years or so?

WRONG, Vasilios.

I asked if you know of posts by Mr. Carrer made within the past three years or so.

I can be accused of negligence but it was not intentional and did not intend to cause trouble. I apologize if i did.

[Charles Drago]

No problem.

[Albert Doyle]

Seems to me no team wanting to assure a kill would take such a low chance shot. Go there and you'll see the shot would be extremely difficult to track and pull-off quickly.

[Peter Lemkin]

Seems to me no team wanting to assure a kill would take such a low chance shot. Go there and you'll see the shot would be extremely difficult to track and pull-off quickly.

Granted it is a lousy angle for a shot...but it is the perfect place for not being seen. Had several shots been fired from there, I believe a shooter could safely just back a meter or two into the dark and wait.....or head on out. No other position I know of had such a low chance of detection. Again, someone may have been there and NOT fired. They were all either watching visual signals or [more likely] had special radios provided by Collins Radio and fired ONLY if necessary in a predetermined order. Once JFK was 'gone' no further shots were needed. Many did not fire and many who did then held their fire - and were ready to fire many more rounds. The game was fixed. JFK was to die that high noon. And the American People were to be forever lied to about it....who, and especially why....the most secret is that the Coup never ended! It is ongoing now....as should be obvious to many on this Forum.