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Where did the bodies go? 3,000 "deaths" from 9/11 not in Social Security death index
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Charles Drago Wrote:If I were a 9-11 Facilitator, I would do what's necessary to get one big-name, well-intentioned investigator to state specifically that "alleged" victim John Doe is not listed on the DMF and thus was not killed in the attack -- only to have the distraught, enraged widow Doe appear publicly to chastise the cruel, borderline insane "conspiracist" and all of that ilk who would dare torture victims' families with this sort of wild claim.

Some years ago a variation on this theme was played for the dupe (benefit of the doubt) William Pepper. It seems -- at first glance -- that he was set up to believe that a former Green Beret had been a Facilitator/Mechanic on the MLK hit, and that this individual later had died under what might have been suspicious circumstances.

Pepper went public with the claim and all but staked his reputation on its veracity.

Only problem was, the fully committed Pepper was ambushed by a U.S. television network. The "dead" man was brought out from the wings on camera to deny the charge and confront his accuser, who meekly offered his hand in apology -- only to have it slapped away.

The set-up and staging were masterfully directed. Among the unanswered questions about this affair are those relating to the deep nature of Pepper's role.

(Now Pepper would champion the RFK investigation. Mark my words: At best, he will accomplish nothing positive for any cause but that most dear to RFK's killers.)

I might add that the Living Hijackers Phenomenon very well may be attributable to an operation similar in design and objectives to the missing names op.
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Charles Drago Wrote:
Charles Drago Wrote:If I were a 9-11 Facilitator, I would do what's necessary to get one big-name, well-intentioned investigator to state specifically that "alleged" victim John Doe is not listed on the DMF and thus was not killed in the attack -- only to have the distraught, enraged widow Doe appear publicly to chastise the cruel, borderline insane "conspiracist" and all of that ilk who would dare torture victims' families with this sort of wild claim.

Some years ago a variation on this theme was played for the dupe (benefit of the doubt) William Pepper. It seems -- at first glance -- that he was set up to believe that a former Green Beret had been a Facilitator/Mechanic on the MLK hit, and that this individual later had died under what might have been suspicious circumstances.

Pepper went public with the claim and all but staked his reputation on its veracity.

Only problem was, the fully committed Pepper was ambushed by a U.S. television network. The "dead" man was brought out from the wings on camera to deny the charge and confront his accuser, who meekly offered his hand in apology -- only to have it slapped away.

The set-up and staging were masterfully directed. Among the unanswered questions about this affair are those relating to the deep nature of Pepper's role.

(Now Pepper would champion the RFK investigation. Mark my words: At best, he will accomplish nothing positive for any cause but that most dear to RFK's killers.)

I might add that the Living Hijackers Phenomenon very well may be attributable to an operation similar in design and objectives to the missing names op.

Well, Hmmmm....there is some very interesting and mind-bending out-of-the-box thinking.....Stranger has certainly happened! Its the Tar Pits 'out there'! Fascist swamp-gas and quicksands, along with a tar pit or ten. We live in 'interesting times'. :joystick: But CD, how do you jump from his being 'had' to his partaking of the society in general being 'had' by him? While not perfect, I haven't before had suspicions of him. Not every one and every thing is a conspiracy within a conspiracy....I hope.Spy
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#13
I haven't made the jump, Peter.

But I am giving serious study to the chasm.

I'm particularly curious about a personal liability that stems from Pepper's time in Rhode Island; it initially surfaced as he began to gain some traction for his MLK work, then suddenly went away around the time of the TV ambush.

Either the story was fabricated and wouldn't stand up to scrutiny, or it was real and made to go away in exchange for God knows what.

I hesitate to be more specific given the sordid nature of this business. Suffice to say that Pepper has journeyed from movement hero to particularly vulnerable target to exposed buffoon and now back toward movement hero.

You're right, Peter: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

And sometimes it's a cancer delivery system.

I remain of an open if suspicious mind on Dr. Pepper.
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#14
Charles Drago Wrote:It is in the best interests of the perpetrators of 9-11 and other, broadly similar conspiracies to provide false leads for and to promote disharmony to the extent of internecine warfare within investigative "communities" and, by extension, to demonize all conspiracy researchers in the minds of the general public.

If I were a 9-11 Facilitator, I would do what's necessary to get one big-name, well-intentioned investigator to state specifically that "alleged" victim John Doe is not listed on the DMF and thus was not killed in the attack -- only to have the distraught, enraged widow Doe appear publicly to chastise the cruel, borderline insane "conspiracist" and all of that ilk who would dare torture victims' families with this sort of wild claim.

An elegantly simple way to do this job? Keep the names off the list.

I might add that, once again, this likely is not an either/or situation.

Precisely.

Being manipulated into getting a "fact" wrong can be fatal to a researcher's work.

As an aside, a two-part investigative film exposing a notorious global industrial cartel was successfully suppressed by corporate lawyers because one statement of fact in a 90-minute film was found, in preliminary libel hearings, on the available evidence, not to be fact but rather an allegation. Unfortunately, the film had stated it was established fact.

The cartel's lawyers then forced a settlement. Money (damages) was used as leverage. However, the cartel's objective was to shut down the broader truth. So, the deal they negotiated insisted that the film was never broadcast again. The cartel refused to allow the offending seconds to be edited out

As Charles articulates, it is easy to manipulate a researcher of integrity into a mis- or overstatement of the evidence.

Thus causing credibility to disappear in a puff of smoke.
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#15
My comment was based on the fact that for some people the 911 event was so massive with so many actors and some complex it is simply too difficult to manage all the human resources in addition to the technical ones and the timing.

This is like a huge Hollywood movie production with a cast of thousands done with no rehearsal, taking place over many hours or even days involving the entire media and the participation of many government agencies, the airlines and all sorts of participants who could not have been read into the plot and acted on cue... and in 4 locations!

My sense is that there was some planning and it WAS a conspiracy, but not the one of the official narrative. I also believe that many were completely overwhelmed and confused and simply listened IMMEDIATELY to the government narrative fed by the media and a kind of group think took over. At that point it was not scripted in a formal sense, but the "world" and the "main actors" were simply responding as expecting by years of "psychological" conditioning. If you think of "emergency preparedness drills" and then an emergency "happens" all those trained to these things simply resort to their training and "act" accordingly. They have no idea even what has happened and why they are acting... it's just their training.

The media is like a herd as well.. one outlet listens to the other and copies their story.. sens out reporters to chase down the lead and in no time they are all focused on the same story... Remember the balloon boy?

Clearly there were victims of 911. But it also looks like the were made up ones as well. But why? Were the made up ones the compelling fictional characters used for psychological manipulation of the public? What else could be the reason? Obviously some people might have sought to personally exploit the situation and some did and were caught, I believe.

But I do find the reports of Indira Singh compelling in that these large complex organizations are now controlled and managed by enterprise software and getting back door access to it allows one person (who gets in the back door) to control huge organizations... or many of them since these huge organizations are already inter-locked into feed back and feed forward relationships.

This means to me, at least, that the conspiracy may not have involved all the actors who participated knowing they were were being controlled or actors so to speak. The vast majority of the 911 actors were simply doing what they were trained to do and "just following orders" and normal procedures. Once the basic elements took place... the rest was essentially on "auto pilot" and the "actors" were not acting...

Clearly anyone who commits a crime does not want to be caught and will use all sorts of strategies to deflect attention to him and cast blame on someone else... that gets him off the hook big time. So obviously getting those who are trying to solve the crime, confused and fighting amongst themselves is a damn good strategy. Toss a lot of chafe and false leads out there too.

We have seem this all. But the crime will be solved by careful examination of the crime scene and the evidence of the crime. While it's fine to speculate about means, motive and opportunity... these are only circumstantial and evidence. Can't win a case in court on means, motive and opportunity. These may lead to investigations but evidence must be found linking the suspects to the actual crime.
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Jeffrey Orling Wrote:My comment was based on the fact that for some people the 911 event was so massive with so many actors and some complex it is simply too difficult to manage all the human resources in addition to the technical ones and the timing.

This is like a huge Hollywood movie production with a cast of thousands done with no rehearsal, taking place over many hours or even days involving the entire media and the participation of many government agencies, the airlines and all sorts of participants who could not have been read into the plot and acted on cue... and in 4 locations!

My sense is that there was some planning and it WAS a conspiracy, but not the one of the official narrative. I also believe that many were completely overwhelmed and confused and simply listened IMMEDIATELY to the government narrative fed by the media and a kind of group think took over. At that point it was not scripted in a formal sense, but the "world" and the "main actors" were simply responding as expecting by years of "psychological" conditioning. If you think of "emergency preparedness drills" and then an emergency "happens" all those trained to these things simply resort to their training and "act" accordingly. They have no idea even what has happened and why they are acting... it's just their training.

The media is like a herd as well.. one outlet listens to the other and copies their story.. sens out reporters to chase down the lead and in no time they are all focused on the same story... Remember the balloon boy?

Clearly there were victims of 911. But it also looks like the were made up ones as well. But why? Were the made up ones the compelling fictional characters used for psychological manipulation of the public? What else could be the reason? Obviously some people might have sought to personally exploit the situation and some did and were caught, I believe.

But I do find the reports of Indira Singh compelling in that these large complex organizations are now controlled and managed by enterprise software and getting back door access to it allows one person (who gets in the back door) to control huge organizations... or many of them since these huge organizations are already inter-locked into feed back and feed forward relationships.

This means to me, at least, that the conspiracy may not have involved all the actors who participated knowing they were were being controlled or actors so to speak. The vast majority of the 911 actors were simply doing what they were trained to do and "just following orders" and normal procedures. Once the basic elements took place... the rest was essentially on "auto pilot" and the "actors" were not acting...

Clearly anyone who commits a crime does not want to be caught and will use all sorts of strategies to deflect attention to him and cast blame on someone else... that gets him off the hook big time. So obviously getting those who are trying to solve the crime, confused and fighting amongst themselves is a damn good strategy. Toss a lot of chafe and false leads out there too.

We have seem this all. But the crime will be solved by careful examination of the crime scene and the evidence of the crime. While it's fine to speculate about means, motive and opportunity... these are only circumstantial and evidence. Can't win a case in court on means, motive and opportunity. These may lead to investigations but evidence must be found linking the suspects to the actual crime.

I thought this was supposed to be the DEEP POLITICS FORUM. I think you might have mistaken it for the SHALLOW SUPPOSITION CHAT ROOM instead.
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Malcolm Pryce Wrote:It seems to me whenever Jeffrey Orling posts here he encounters a hostile response bordering at times on hysteria. All he did was make the entirely reasonable point that it would seem unnecessarily extravagant to fake the deaths and fake the attendant publicly visible mourners. In response to that question you post links, amongst other things, to a hundred page military document. Are we supposed to read it to find out the answers? Why don't you just tell us in plain English what you think? I haven't a clue what an OODA loop is but I suspect it wouldn't take very long to explain it.


I did explain in plain English years ago.. Mar 21 2006, to be precise.

"Cheney, the OODA Loop and 9/11"
http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/f...wentry=601

and four days later... where it was noted that the operational tempo is measured in milli-seconds.

http://www.commongroundcommonsense.org/f...wentry=605

This is followed by the blog series "Is This Real-World or Exercise?", posted on April 14th, 2007 and mirrored: http://911blogger.com/node/7874

If the OODA loop is easy to explain, give me a 150-word synopsis of its progenitor "Destruction and Creation" before the end of the week: http://www.goalsys.com/books/documents/D...EATION.pdf

Back in 2006, I wrote: "The OODA loop appears to be a relatively simple cycle. However, given the multiple feedback loops, it is actually very complex....

"Here is the explanatory text that Boyd used under the OODA loop diagram:

"Note how orientation shapes observation, shapes decision, shapes action and, in turn, is shaped by the feedback and other phenomena coming into our sensing or observing window."

Also note how the entire "loop" (not just orientation) is an ongoing many-sided implicit cross-referencing process of projection, empathy, correlation, and rejection."

In simpler English, if someone can get you to "see" certain things and understands how you will "forecast" forthcoming events based on what you "see", how you will feel emotionally about what you "see", how you will put two and two together to get five, and how you can be led to reject or disbelieve what you think you see, then you can be led by the nose to a certain action....."

From Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War, Robert Coram, Back Bay Books, Little Brown & Co., Boston 2002, p. 335-6:

"Understanding the OODA Loop is difficult. First, even though it is called a "loop", it is not. A drawing of the Loop shows thirty arrows connecting the various ingredients, which means hundreds of possible "loops" can be derived….Even Boyd's Acolytes do not always agree with what Boyd meant by the OODA Loop… The OODA Loop briefing contains 185 slides. "

The OODA loop is based on Boyd's earlier thesis entitled "Destruction and Creation", which links Godel's Proof, Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, and the second law of thermodynamics.

"…Boyd spent four years researching and writing and then distilling his [thesis] down to eleven pages; the result has the specific gravity approaching that of uranium. It is thick and heavy and ponderous, filled with caveats and qualifiers and arcane references that span theories never before connected. To read [it] is to fully appreciate the term "heavy sledding". [Page 323]"

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"For a time, Boyd and Spinney were reluctant to fully explain the OODA loop; it was far too dangerous.

If someone truly understands how to create menace and uncertainty and mistrust, then how to exploit and magnify the presence of these disconcerting elements, the Loop can be vicious, a terribly destructive force, virtually unstoppable in causing panic and confusion and Boyd's phrase is best "unraveling the competition".

This is true whether the Loop is applied in combat, in competitive business practices, in sports, or in personal relationships.

The most amazing aspect of the OODA Loop is that the losing side rarely understands what happened."

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The OODA loop stands for a rapid, repeated cycle. Keep in mind that Cheney was briefed by Boyd on all of this when Cheney was the Secretary of Defense, that he was the titular head of all defense-related drills and drill process and results for many months prior to 9/11, that he had already run a "lessons learned" debriefing for Iran-Contra, and keep in mind that the author, who was also responsible for the design of the energy/maneuverability engineering for the F-15, has developed those engineering studies using computer time stolen from the US Air Force without their knowledge. Keep in mind that the US lowered its military computer security on the evening of 9/10/01: http://911blogger.com/news/2010-09-25/us...-night-911



From WikiPedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-centric_warfare ):

Network centric warfare can trace its immediate origins to 1996 when Admiral William Owens introduced the concept of a 'system of systems' in a paper of the same name published by the Institute National Security Studies. Owens described the serendipitous evolution of a system of intelligence sensors, command and control systems, and precision weapons that enabled enhanced situational awareness, rapid target assessment, and distributed weapon assignment.

Also in 1996, the Joint Chiefs of Staff released Joint Vision 2010, which introduced the military concept of full-spectrum dominance. Full Spectrum Dominance described the ability of the US military to dominate the battlespace from peace operations through to the outright application of military power that stemmed from the advantages of information superiority.
[edit] Network Centric Warfare

The term "network-centric warfare" and associated concepts first appeared in the Department of Navy's publication, "Copernicus: C4ISR for the 21st Century." The ideas of networking sensors, commanders, and shooters to flatten the hierarchy, reduce the operational pause, enhance precision, and increase speed of command were captured in this document. Many of these ideas were further refined and developed through models developed by the consulting firm Booz Allen Hamilton working with the Joint Staff in the Pentagon in the mid to late 1990s.

As a distinct concept, however, network-centric warfare first appeared publicly in a 1998 US Naval Institute Proceedings article by Vice Admiral Arthur K. Cebrowski and John Gartska. The concepts were later given greater depth in the book, Network Centric Warfare coauthored by Gartska, David S. Alberts (Director of Research, OASD-NII), and Fred Stein of The MITRE Corporation.

Published by the Command and Control Research Program (CCRP), the book derived a new theory of warfare from a series of case studies on how business was using information and communication technologies to improve situation analysis, accurately control inventory and production, as well as monitor customer relations.
[edit] Understanding Information Age Warfare

Network-centric warfare was followed in 2001 by Understanding Information Age Warfare (UIAW), jointly authored by Alberts, Gartska, Richard Hayes of Evidence Based Research and David S. Signori of RAND. UIAW pushed the implications of the shifts identified by network-centric warfare in order to derive an operational theory of warfare.

Starting with a series of premises on how the environment is sensed, UIAW posits a structure of three domains. The physical domain is where events take place and are perceived by sensors and individuals. Data emerging from the physical domain is transmitted through an information domain.

Data is subsequently received and processed by a cognitive domain where it is assessed and acted upon. The process replicates the "observe, orient, decide, act" loop first described by Col. John Boyd of the USAF.

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Network-centric warfare/operations is a cornerstone of the ongoing transformation effort at the Department of Defense initiated by former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. It is also one of the five goals of the Office of Force Transformation, Office of the Secretary of Defense.

See Revolution in Military Affairs for further information on what is now known as "defense transformation" or "transformation".....

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"Data is subsequently received and processed by a cognitive domain where it is assessed and acted upon."

Puts a new wrinkle on the phrase "cognitive infiltration" and "crippled epistemology", doesn't it?

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"...we no longer take effective action, because it has become impossible to identify what we might do to change anything. Instead, we react to events. That is what the ruling class wants, because if we are reactive, then outcomes can be controlled by controlling the stimuli. Keep 'em dazzled with foot work. So the stimuli keep coming at us faster than we can think. And they are presented as fate, or the result of "fast changing world events," or a banking collapse no one could have predicted -- things to which we must respond immediately. Most of us just give up. Which again, is what the ruling class wants us to do -- become a uniformly pliant mass."

~ Joe Bageant
"Where is the intersection between the world's deep hunger and your deep gladness?"
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July 17, 2011
History Commons Update

This is one of an ongoing series of irregular email alerts notifying the community of special events.

New 9/11 Timeline Entries

Many new entries have been added to the Complete 9/11 Timeline at History Commons, most of them describing events that took place on the day of 9/11.
New Entries Added to the Complete 9/11 Timeline

Two important entries deal with events before 9/11, specifically regarding military training exercises. One entry reveals that prior to 9/11, NORAD practiced for hijackings five times per month five times per month at its operations center in Colorado. The other entry describes how, in the days before 9/11, the Army had been planning an exercise for the week after 9/11, based, remarkably, on the scenario of a plane crashing into the World Trade Center.

Several entries give new details about the actions of the two F-15 fighter jets launched in response to the first hijacked plane. After being told by the military that the fighters had been given a "bad heading," an air traffic controller had to redirect the two aircraft. When he did this, he also notified the lead fighter pilot that Flight 11 had crashed into the WTC. And yet the two pilots have both denied learning this news until about 10 minutes later, when they were told that a second plane had hit the WTC. After being given the new heading, the lead pilot contacted the military, but apparently neither he nor the person he spoke with mentioned the crash during their call. The two fighters then headed into military airspace over the ocean.

A number of entries deal with the actions of the US Park Police Aviation Unit in Washington, DC, on September 11. That morning, the unit had been holding a large training event. Its two Huey helicopters promptly responded to the Pentagon attack, with one of them providing live video footage of the crash scene and also being put in charge of controlling the Washington airspace. However, its pilot's request that the Maryland State Police send helicopters to help out at the Pentagon was bluntly refused. The other Park Police helicopter subsequently had to respond to numerous reported emergencies that turned out to be false alarms. Furthermore, contrary to official accounts, a new timeline entry reveals that one of the Park Police helicopters was in the air before the Pentagon attack and was instructed to intercept the approaching aircraft.

A US Border Patrol agent who saw the helicopter from his hotel window also described seeing an American Airlines plane taking off from Washington's Reagan National Airport, flying north toward the nearby Pentagon, about a minute before the Pentagon attack occurred. And several witnesses have described hearing secondary explosions inside the Pentagon following the attack there.

An entry describes how National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice thought the first plane hitting the WTC was an accident when she was informed of it by her assistant. While phoning President Bush about the incident, Rice was told that the crashed plane was a commercial airliner, and she passed on this news to the president. Rice has also described how those in the shelter conference room below the White House were unable to hear the audio from television broadcasts and the White House video teleconference at the same time throughout the day, due to technical problems.

Unlike Rice, those in the office of the vice chief of naval operations at the Pentagon realized right away that the first crash must have been deliberate, and even speculated that the Pentagon was a likely target for any subsequent attack. But when a senior officer there was told of a suspicious aircraft approaching Washington, he instructed his deputy to keep quiet and not pass on this crucial information.

Some entries describe how United Airlines, as well as having two of its aircraft hijacked that morning, had to deal with numerous false alarms. These included threats that were found to be "misunderstandings or hoaxes"; a loss of contact with three aircraft at around 10:00 a.m.; nine aircraft reported missing about an hour later; and another of its aircraft reported as missing by the Secret Service.

Later in the day, those in the White House were told that a US Airways plane flying to the US from Spain had been hijacked, but this also turned out to be a false alarm.



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(9:36 a.m.) September 11, 2001: Senior Navy Officer Wants Report of Hijacked Plane Approaching Washington Kept Secret

http://www.historycommons.org/context.js...et&scale=0

A senior Navy officer at the Pentagon is told in a phone call that another hijacked aircraft is heading toward Washington, DC, and yet he tells a colleague who also receives this news to keep the information to himself. [US NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER, 10/10/2001] Rear Admiral William Douglas Crowder is the executive assistant to Admiral William Fallon, the vice chief of naval operations. [US DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, 9/26/2001; PROCEEDINGS, 9/2002] He is working in Fallon's office, on the fourth floor of the Pentagon's E-ring. [US NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER, 10/10/2001; WASHINGTON POST, 11/17/2006] Fallon is currently down the hall, in the office of Admiral Vern Clark, the chief of naval operations. Those in Fallon's office are aware of the attacks on the World Trade Center, and have speculated that if this is an organized attack, then Washington, and specifically the Pentagon, is a likely target (see (8:48 a.m.-9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001).
Crowder Told of Plane Approaching Washington - Crowder now answers a call from the Navy Command Center, which is on the first floor of the Pentagon's southwest face. His deputy, Commander David Radi, listens in on the call, as he is required to. Captain William Toti, the special assistant to the vice chief of naval operations, will later describe what Crowder is told. Toti will recall, "I was not listening in, but the gist of the conversation was there's another airplane that's been hijacked that's heading towards Washington." [US NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER, 10/10/2001] (An intelligence unit located within the Navy Command Center was recently notified of "indications of another aircraft that's been hijacked" and that is "heading out to DC" (see Shortly Before 9:37 a.m. September 11, 2001). [DAILY TELEGRAPH, 9/11/2002] ) Crowder replies to the caller, "Okay, got it."
Crowder Instructs Deputy to Keep Information Secret - Radi appears afraid. Presumably referring to the office staff's prediction of a possible attack on the Pentagon, he says: "Holy sh_t. Captain Toti, it's coming true." Crowder runs out of the office to go and tell Fallon what he has just learned. But as he is heading out, he calls back to Radi: "That's close hold. Don't tell anybody what you just heard." Toti will comment, "Remember that Crowder and Radi are the only two people who heard" about the approaching hijacked plane. Just then, the Pentagon is hit: "Not 30 seconds after Crowder hangs up and runs out the door," Toti will recall, "we hear the airplane, the jet engines, and feel impact. The building shook like an earthquake. We heard the explosion." [US NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER, 10/10/2001] No steps have been taken to evacuate the Pentagon or alert its workers before the building is hit (see Before 9:37 a.m. September 11, 2001). [VOGEL, 2007, PP. 429]
Officer Finds Crowder's Order 'Peculiar' - In an interview a month later, Toti will reflect: "In retrospect, I wonder what the hell was close hold about that fact that there was a hijacked airplane coming in towards the Pentagon. If anything, it would have been nice to alert people of that." He will add that he has not asked Crowder "why he said that," but says Crowder's instruction to Radi "stuck out in [my] mind at the time as kind of a peculiar thing to say."
Officer Told Not to Go to Command Center - Toti's life is likely saved because, just before the call about the approaching plane is received, Crowder told him not to go to the Navy Command Centera part of the Pentagon that suffers serious damage when the building is hit. After seeing the burning WTC on television, Toti had been uncomfortable that his office had not received any information about what was going on from the Command Center. After "a few minutes of hearing nothing," he had suggested to Crowder "that I go to the ops center to see if they had any information we should pass to senior Navy leadership." But, as Toti was heading out the door toward the Command Center, Crowder instructed him: "Wait, give them another minute. If they don't call by then, you can go down." Toti therefore returned to his desk. "Just then," Toti will recall, Crowder receives the call from the Command Center about the hijacked plane approaching Washington. [US NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER, 10/10/2001; PROCEEDINGS, 9/2002] Much of the Navy Command Center is destroyed when the Pentagon is hit (see 9:37 a.m. September 11, 2001), and 42 of the 50 people working in it are killed. [WASHINGTON POST, 1/20/2002; NATIONAL DEFENSE MAGAZINE, 6/2003] Toti will say that Crowder "probably saved my life." [US NAVAL HISTORICAL CENTER, 10/10/2001]

Entity Tags: David Radi, William J. Toti, William Douglas Crowder
Timeline Tags: Complete 911 Timeline, 9/11 Timeline
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Ed Jewett Wrote:****

"...we no longer take effective action, because it has become impossible to identify what we might do to change anything. Instead, we react to events. That is what the ruling class wants, because if we are reactive, then outcomes can be controlled by controlling the stimuli. Keep 'em dazzled with foot work. So the stimuli keep coming at us faster than we can think. And they are presented as fate, or the result of "fast changing world events," or a banking collapse no one could have predicted -- things to which we must respond immediately. Most of us just give up. Which again, is what the ruling class wants us to do -- become a uniformly pliant mass."

~ Joe Bageant
Everyone should know this but so few do. Needs to be part of the curriculum and taught to every primary school child. But never will becaue they like their masses pliant.
RIP Joe.
"The philosophers have only interpreted the world, in various ways. The point, however, is to change it." Karl Marx

"He would, wouldn't he?" Mandy Rice-Davies. When asked in court whether she knew that Lord Astor had denied having sex with her.

“I think it would be a good idea” Ghandi, when asked about Western Civilisation.
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In follow-on to posts #17 and #18:

http://www.ooda.org/

http://www.ooda.org/redteam/

http://www.ooda.org/orient/ooda-training/

http://www.ooda.org/about/

http://www.riskintel.com/ (operated by the above)

(note the re-iteration of self-serving message(s)
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